A note to all Trump supporters who may be lurking here

[jmowreader]

You know that absolute ban on abortion in all circumstances you want?

It will apply to you too.

Yes, that'll mean you get to be a grandmother to your teenage daughter's baby, the one fathered by that no-good kid she won't stop hanging around with. But...that's the least of your worries.

It means you'll have to parent that kid with the expensive and painful birth defect you might not have carried to term before Trump got a 6-3 Supreme Court.

It means you'll have to listen to the screams of a baby who has a fatal birth defect and spends the five or six hours of his life in pain you couldn't even imagine. Before Trump turned America into a theocracy, you wouldn't have carried it to term. Now you have to.

It means that if you are diagnosed with a "tubal pregnancy" (look it up, it's pretty disastrous) don't go home after you leave the doctor's office. Instead, get your will prepared and buy a cemetery plot...because in about six weeks, your pregnancy is going to kill you. Remember, saving your own life is a death penalty offense for both you and the doctor if that happens.

That Trump vote doesn't look like such a good idea now, does it? Too bad.

[ADX]

1. Great post...

[TheBlackAdder]

45. Every birth above stasis, adds an additional $360K to the state and local tax burdens. Enjoy!

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Also, what will hammer these "Fiscal Conservatives" is . . .



Between health and birth costs, school, WIC, housing, heating assistance, etc....

The average cost to support a new child is around $360K over the span of 18 years.


As it will take 18 years for the full effect to hit, those states will be nearing fiscal collapse.


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Example, kept very simple, by just sticking with basic education... A flat 10K new births a year.

The first year of school adds $16,500 (school & transportation) to a local tax base, or $165,000,000
The second year, $16,500 x 20,000 = $330,000,000

Just by the second year, we're at an additional $330 MILLION to the state and local budget.

You get the gist with the rest of this. In 18 years, an extra $3.2 BILLION will be added to the state's tax burden.


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These RED States are going to be FUCKED!


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So, once these states start screwing with the natural birth and death ratios, and increase the birthing rates...

they will be collapsing under their own weight. Unless, they cut education all together, or home school them.

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[Bettie]

51. Nah, they'll just get rid of

all assistance and watch the death rates rise. But, they won't be fetuses dying, they'll be already born non-wealthy humans so, it will be A-OK.

[dlk]

2. What Usually Gets Left Out of this Conversation

If the government has the right to ban abortions, the government also has the right to force abortions. It’s the same authority. If you think it would never happen here, guess again.

[Hekate]

3. It's something totalitarian regimes know very well, when they confine contraceptive methods to...

...primarily abortion. The State giveth, and the State taketh away. Romania: the Ceauscescu regime. China: the one child policy.

[Ilsa]

16. I've been saying that also!

If you give government authority over your womb, it will include a requirement to terminate when your baby has a mild congenital illness you can live with, but they don't want to pay for, including Medicaid and Social Security. Ask them now, and see how many of these trumpers think disabled people shouldn't be supported.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. I doubt the evangelical mindset would permit that.

Completely my subjective opinion, but I think more likely with the scum cult mindset, the US Theocracy would use “post-partem solutions”. Force the birth, then withhold healthcare, starve and work the mother and child together.

[ellie]

4. Great post!

These conservatives think that any decision will only affect liberals but that is not the way it works.

[Blue_true]

25. Most liberals will decamp to states that allow choice. nt

[spooky3]

39. Or some figure that money talks, and if they have

money, they’ll be able to get what they need.

[gulliver]

5. Visit discussionist.com (our sister site) if you want to address Trump supporters.

Seriously, there are quite a few there. They read DU OPs and cross-post them on discussionist. I post there as swifty. I'm hoping if we get more DUers over there, we'll get some better discussions. Right now, it's too easy for the yahoos (thanks, Mr. Swift) to just gang up and LOL at each others' LOLs.

There are few who might give you pause in that they seem to be thinking about things and can challenge you. That's comforting. There are a few who occasionally give you shivers of loathing/pity. It's different and worthwhile, imo.

[Leith]

13. I Tried

I posted there (CityKitty) until the election day hack made me realize that I was much happier without it.

That board is full of loudmouth fools whose idea of "winning" is to abuse anyone who doesn't agree with them. Life is too short to bother with useful idiots like they are. It would be nice if the admins would tell us why they keep the board going.

[Hugin]

7. The real end game here is not only banning abortion...

but, also, birth control entirely.

You forgot to mention being forced to give birth to the child of a rapist.

[volstork]

15. Welcome to Gilead.

We are almost there.

[Ilsa]

18. Yep. As a mother, you will be tied to your rapist FOREVER,

Possibly requiring you to share custody after they serve their time. (4, 5 years max?)

[ProudLib72]

8. "Lithopedion" is a great word. Or just call it "Stone Baby"

Did you know you could be "pregnant" for up to 40 years? Since we are discussing ectopic pregnancies...

Rare 40-Year-Old 'Stone Baby' Found in Elderly Woman https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rare-40-year-stone-baby-found-elderly-woman/story?id=21206604

An elderly Colombian woman was stunned when she went to the doctor for pelvic pain and was told the pain was caused by a 40-year-old "stone" fetus.

The 82-year-old had been carrying the calcified four-pound fetus called a lithopedion for decades without realizing it, according to the Telegraph.

Garcsi, who did not treat the Colombian woman, says the lithopedion is created when a pregnancy forms in the abdomen rather than in the uterus. When the pregnancy ultimately fails, usually because the fetus does not have enough blood supply, there is no way for the body to expel the fetus.

As a result, the body turns the fetus to "stone," using the same immune process that protects the body from any foreign object detected in a person's system. Garcsi said it may seem odd, but that the process is used constantly in the body to stay healthy.

[irisblue]

9. Nah, the trump voters w/ $ will get abortions, safely anyway

Here or in Europe. Poorer women will use the rumored herbals or go back to the old days of back alley abortions.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. They have to commit to the new welfare state they're creating.

Young girls raising babies, and no time for college. A lot of cheap labor for someone.

[Blue_true]

27. That didn't work well for them last time.

I may be wrong, but the south really grew after Roe v Wade to develop major cities and industries other than agriculture. If young people leave in large numbers to blue states, the labor pool won't be that good.

[elmac]

11. I ran into one here today

they are here, they are probably paid to be here. One had liberal in his/her user name.

[Liberalhammer]

12. And Trump supporters

Are all Nazis. You should understand via history what happens to nazis and traitors.

[joshcryer]

14. The people you are talking to will be dead soon.

They won't see the misery they'll be inflicting upon this country.

[Blue_true]

28. Jeez Josh. Normally you are analytical.

But that sounded apocalyptic, what's going to happen, a death angel pass over houses and off every deplorable? Not that such a thing would be bad, mind you.

[joshcryer]

29. I'll be in my 60-70s before we get another opportunity.

It's fucked up but I feel like the people who voted this current government in power do not give a shit about all of the negative shit that they know and see being talked about because it simply won't affect them.

[Blue_true]

47. Well, I will probably be dead by the time we get a sane court again.

But, things can change fast. Trump is talking about putting someone in who could be there for 40-46 years. We to have three things happen, two that we can control, one that we can't control. First, we need to retake Congress in November and hold it in 2020, add to our advantage in 2020. Second, we need to suredly defeat Trump's reelection in 2020. If we fuck up either, the country could be doomed. The third thing in that we must hope that none of the four liberals leave the Court or die before we get rid of Trump. If all the liberals are there with a democratic President and Congress, the two oldest ones should retire and allow themselves to be replaced by two young liberals. Ideally, all four should retire and allow the democratic President to replace them with healthy young liberals. If those three things happen, we regain the advantage because Roberts has a health issue and so do Thomas, a democratic President could make up to 6 appointments. Because McConnell changed Senate rules to aid republican nominations. the democratic Senate leader must be ruthless in getting the nominations through, he or she should not give a shit about what republicans think or what polls say. The leaders should also ruthlessly make lower court nominations and appointments, similar to what republicans are doing now.

[spooky3]

41. There were a lot of millennial white males who voted for

Trump. Someone posted a link to an article about this.

[joshcryer]

44. Those guys likely cheer this crap happening.

I talk to people on Discord a lot playing games and the young guys are really just beyond help. Their minds are made up. Nothing changing them.

[spooky3]

46. Well, they ought to be thinking about supporting an

Unexpected child for 18+ years.

Among many other bad Trump effects on their lives...

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

17. Not their problem, they think...

Anyone of means will arrange a small 'vacation' out of the country to take care of the problem. Forced births are only for the 'little people', donchaknow.

[Honeycombe8]

19. You don't understand the position of the anti-abortion people.

They would be distressed at the situations you describe, but they believe abortion is murder. They do not condone it. Any more than they would condone shooting an adult person with a fatal birth defect. That's what believe with all their hearts (the hard righters and the religious ones).

They understand all what you are saying. And they think that God has ordained each baby to be born. It's that simple to them.

There is a difference in abortion to save a woman's life. A number of the anti-abortion people do believe in an exception for that. They don't believe in an exception for the woman's health because they think a doctor's will just SAY that as an excuse for her to get an abortion.

This is my understanding, from listening to them for years.

[HopeAgain]

26. They believe it is murder, but letting kids starve

is merely a shame. And it's the immigrants kid's parents fault their kids are cruelly ripped away. Let them find out what murder really is from the return of back alley abortionists.

Fuck them, they are all hypocrites.

[Honeycombe8]

31. Yeah, they're hypocrites, all right. But expecting them to regret it...

not gonna happen.

[Blue_true]

30. Then why do they so joyously vote to cutoff food aid to poor kids?

They love fetuses, but actual people are on their own.

[Honeycombe8]

34. They think that people who get assistance are deadbeats...

and expect other people to pay their way, while they hang around the house smoking & living it up on taxpayer money. You've seen those posts by the far right, same as I have, I'm sure. That IS what they think.

As for Trump, they believe everything he says, despite evidence to the contrary. They WANT to believe it, so they do. And they're ignorant and uneducated. He told them the kids separated were separated from people not their parents, they were traffickers, so Trump saved them. That's what one posted in FB.

All they care about is themselves. When I said that to my Trumper father, he responded, "Of course." He's probably right. Most people care about themselves first and foremost, and disregard others, or lack the capability to see how it is for others.

So they won't regret overturning Roe v Wade. They've been "praying" for that, ever since that case was decided.

[Honeycombe8]

57. I know, I know. It's hypocritical. But it's also about money.

Food aid is paid for by their taxes. Someone's pregnancy is not. So cutting off food aid saves them in taxes. They don't view preventing you from getting an abortion as costing them in money. (Of course, unwanted babies sometimes end up living in poverty....on aid...but they can't see that far, and are always working to cut that aid, anyway.)

It makes no sense. Except that breathing & alive is all that is required. They don't consider feeding someone else's baby as a right to life...they are alive, it's the parents' duty to feed them.

The extremists are consumed with what other people do. Gay marriage, adoption by gays, abortion...all these things that are none of their business.

But don't expect them to regret things or change their minds. They're not like that.

[Blue_true]

60. Thanks for the insight, you seem to know them better than I. I try to avoid them.

I consider to be cancers in society.

[leftstreet]

53. Their position is simple. They want more white babies

The terrified racists have never stopped trying to overturn Roe v Wade

[Honeycombe8]

58. I've heard that before.

Are there more white babies who are aborted? I mean, scaling it down to match the percentage. There are more white people, so there would be more white people in anything...but if you even the percentages to equal % of the population, are there more white babies aborted? If so, that could be part of it.

[TeamPooka]

21. and I hope your kids make a lot of money and want you around because without Medicare

and Social Security there will not be a place for you in that senior or assisted living home.
You love your shifty son in law right?
You can count on him to take care of you...
LOL

[Lars39]

22. Yeah, all 12 of them!

[mnmoderatedem]

23. I doubt trump supporters lurk here

I mean, operating a mouse and keyboard requires opposable thumbs, so....

[Corgigal]

24. Not to mention your teenaged son

who got his 16 year old girlfriend pregnant. You can help help make this child payments for 18 years. Mothers of sons rarely think this way, but when they do , they are horrified.

[Blue_true]

33. A couple of days ago, I saw a teenaged girl buying birth control.

It could have been to help with a skin condition, some use it for that. But my operating guess was that she was already having sex, she looked 16 or 17.

[Lint Head]

32. To hell with any Trump supporter. Kindness will mot win then over.

Reasoning will not win them over. Losing their health care may. Losing a son in the military to a Russian supported fascist state might. Men abusing women without prosecution may. Policemen shooting innocent people in the bac doesn't.
Screw them all. What we need is for all Democrats to register to vote and do so. If not, citizens, who really care about saving the country, need to march on D.C. and not stop until the Orange Beast is gone. People need to be willing to be arrested.

[Honeycombe8]

36. No. Kindness & decency have nothing to do with Trumpers.

They care about money, taxes, themselves. That's pretty much it. They don't care about the environment, kids, or anything else except maybe in a minor way. But nothing is as important as themselves and taxes. Nobody likes taxes, but they are nutsoid about it.

[Joe Turner]

35. Using rare exceptions to the rule

is no way to make law. We are talking about a infant human life here. Not a trivial thing.

[Pepsidog]

37. Or when they get their mistress knocked up and have to pay child support

[flying-skeleton]

38. Trump Lovers don't know what a condom is !!

[FakeNoose]

40. Well theirs don't look like ours

[TNLib]

48. One day I was having lunch downtown and a crazy street preacher started preaching

He basically started screaming at people walking by. "You all attend church on Sunday then drive to the abortion clinic on Monday." I looked at my Southern Baptist husband and asked wtf, is that a thing? He said yeah abortions and divorce were high among many church goers.

You know these are the same dumb asses that voted for Trump.

[Dem_4_Life]

49. K&R

[Bettie]

50. Remember as well

that you will very likely not have health care, so you'd better have a complication free home birth after having no prenatal care.

If your child has a birth defect or problem, well, again cemetery plot because you won't be able to afford the NICU.

Oh and if you miscarry, enjoy the police investigation into your life, well, if you survive having to wait to pass the POC without a D&C. Sepsis isn't fun and it can kill you.

[samnsara]

52. not to mention the baby daddies with the same last name..

[trueblue2007]

54. posted to facebook

[IronLionZion]

55. Trumpsters don't think about stuff the way we do

There are Trumpster Grandmas taking care of their grandkids because their teen daughter got mixed up with some no good drug addicted douchebag. The kid might have even been born with health problems because of the drugs.

Honey badger don't care. It was the Lord's will and the kid needed to be born as a punishment to the teen mom for her wicked ways and a constant reminder that liberalism and feminism will ruin your life just as badly as immigration (drugs).

Trumpsters believe unwanted babies are a punishment, and kids need to be punished hard and filled with self-loathing and guilt, not coddled like those entitled overeducated liberal kids.

[Stargazer99]

56. Just what i was thinking...you got it..affluenzia

[MadDAsHell]

59. Babies cant feel pain. nt

[warmfeet]

61. F**ck trump supporters. NT