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catbyte

(34,308 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:24 PM Jul 2018

Conservative pens scathing July 4th column calling for destruction of 'white-nationalist' GOP

Conservative columnist pens scathing July 4th column calling for destruction of ‘white-nationalist’ GOP


In a blistering opinion piece in the Washington Post, long-time conservative commentator Max Boot called out the Republican Party for becoming the “white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe” under President Donald Trump and advocated for the complete destruction of the GOP as it now stands.

According to Boot, “‘Should I stay or should I go now?’ That question, posed by the eminent political philosophers known as The Clash, is one that confronts any Republican with a glimmer of conscience. You used to belong to a conservative party with a white-nationalist fringe. Now it’s a white-nationalist party with a conservative fringe. If you’re part of that fringe, what should you do?”

.......SNIP

“That is why I join Will and other principled conservatives, both current and former Republicans, in rooting for a Democratic takeover of both houses in November,” he concluded. “Like postwar Germany and Japan, the Republican Party must first be destroyed before it can be rebuilt.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/conservative-columnist-pens-scathing-july-4th-column-calling-destruction-white-nationalist-gop/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-left-the-republican-party-now-i-want-democrats-to-take-over/2018/07/03/54a4007a-7e38-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4bbd4b33cca0
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Conservative pens scathing July 4th column calling for destruction of 'white-nationalist' GOP (Original Post) catbyte Jul 2018 OP
The GOP is dead. This is new. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #1
K&R... spanone Jul 2018 #2
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #3
PFFT. reagan's welfare queens + nixon + southern strategy. the GOP is built pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #4
People like that conservative commentator cheered those efforts on, Blue_true Jul 2018 #8
Said it before and I'll say it again... Zoonart Jul 2018 #34
His state's rights speech at Philadelphia Mississippi n/t hibbing Jul 2018 #15
Yep Cosmocat Jul 2018 #27
They just don't like it that their party is so brazen and open about their ugly beliefs The Genealogist Jul 2018 #33
A-L-L R-I-G-H-T. We're gonna take back at least the House in Nov. brush Jul 2018 #5
Not all republicans are racist. Blue_true Jul 2018 #10
You say not all repugs are racist... but they sure put up with them... brush Jul 2018 #24
THIS Cosmocat Jul 2018 #28
They did not say anything until now that it is affecting their investment returns. Dustlawyer Jul 2018 #35
The Tea Party started this trend FakeNoose Jul 2018 #32
One can be a conservative and a Democrat. mwooldri Jul 2018 #6
I have said before. Blue_true Jul 2018 #7
I can't see that happening - not in the foreseeable future. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #14
The "sane" republicans, as few as they are. Blue_true Jul 2018 #19
fascism bdamomma Jul 2018 #9
The interesting thing. Blue_true Jul 2018 #11
Yes but those repigs bdamomma Jul 2018 #36
This Is All Hands On Deck colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #12
Max Boot?... lame54 Jul 2018 #13
Absent white nationalism, the Republican Party would cease to be viable. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #16
Their demographics are shrinking Major Nikon Jul 2018 #20
They've seen the writing on the wall, and they've become increasingly desperate to erase it. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #21
Keep it up, Max.. ya'll vote Democratic! Cha Jul 2018 #17
Honestly, I'm not sure the GOP can survive. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #18
I hope there are enough of the intelligent, educated conservatives to make a difference. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #22
No, they won't. Not the ones who pretend they didn't make this happen JHB Jul 2018 #30
KnR Hekate Jul 2018 #23
K&R ck4829 Jul 2018 #25
K and R oasis Jul 2018 #26
Boot leaves out the part where those "principled conservatives"... JHB Jul 2018 #29
last time I looked, the repubs run things in this country, and have basically, since about '92 KG Jul 2018 #31
How was he okay with being in a party with a white nationalist fringe? If I found myself Neema Jul 2018 #37

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. People like that conservative commentator cheered those efforts on,
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jul 2018

instead of seeing them for the inherent evil that they were.

Zoonart

(11,826 posts)
34. Said it before and I'll say it again...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:55 AM
Jul 2018

All of these Post-Republican never Trump columnists and think tankers are nothing but grave robbers.

They are the grave robbers who toiled endlessly in the graveyard of buried and reviled 19th century ideas. They dug up the body parts- racism, cronyism, robber-baronism, Federalism, Christian Identity, and brought them to the lab in order to construct their Monster and now that the monster has escaped the lab they act like they had not part in building him.

Make no mistake...this monster is not to their liking, but once he has been destroyed they will go right back to building a "better" one
a new Republican super-man. These people are NOT our friends.

Cosmocat

(14,557 posts)
27. Yep
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:55 AM
Jul 2018

45 took the whip and openly gave the "base" what every R has whistled and winked at my entire life, over half a decade.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
33. They just don't like it that their party is so brazen and open about their ugly beliefs
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:12 AM
Jul 2018

The party has been this way since they welcomed the segrgationists into their party with the advent of the Southern Strategy. Now the "sane" ones are upset that the deplorables they admitted with open arms are in power. You reap what you sow.

brush

(53,721 posts)
5. A-L-L R-I-G-H-T. We're gonna take back at least the House in Nov.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jul 2018

Keep it up repugs.

Way to splinter your racist organization.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Not all republicans are racist.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jul 2018

I know several families of Chamber of Commerce type republicans, none are racist and pretty much all voted for Hillary (that I know of). But until Trump, they were fully on the crazy train, but now it is running over them.

brush

(53,721 posts)
24. You say not all repugs are racist... but they sure put up with them...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:46 AM
Jul 2018

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in their party, now they've taken over the party.

Coddling racists got them to where they are.

Cosmocat

(14,557 posts)
28. THIS
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:57 AM
Jul 2018

Been saying that for decades.

I never have directly said anyone was a racist. But I've been very clear for a long time anyone in the Republican Party either is, or is very much accepting of them, and willing to be in League with him. Because that's what it was.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
35. They did not say anything until now that it is affecting their investment returns.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:59 AM
Jul 2018

They know the market is starting to flounder under the tariffs.

FakeNoose

(32,532 posts)
32. The Tea Party started this trend
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:40 AM
Jul 2018

...all because they couldn't stand having a black man doing a "white man's" job.
Well GOP - be careful what you wish for, because now you're on the fast train to hell.



mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
6. One can be a conservative and a Democrat.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jul 2018

Mind, it'll be a fringe on the right of the Democrats... but better a fringe on the right of the Democrats than being a member of the Racist Party or being a MAGAt.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. I have said before.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jul 2018

True conservative republicans who aren't the racist or religious nut type, should vote 100% democrat and hold their nose. Once the Republican Party is weakened to a shell, then they can go back in and take over that party, and maybe they won't repeat the mistakes of the past (i.e., demonizing political opponents, questioning opponent's patriotism, believing in near zero taxation).

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
14. I can't see that happening - not in the foreseeable future.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:58 PM
Jul 2018

Why? Because of where their political money comes from. I'm not betting on the philosophical stripes of the Koch brothers, the Mercers, Adelsons and Murdochs changing much unless the sensible Republicans manage to flat run them out of the party.

And, that would require the destruction of the hardened right-wing organizations such as the NRA, Heritage Foundation, ALEC, etc. There's also the hardened right-wing media outlets including hundreds of talk radio programs and Faux News (a cancer on our nation, IMO).

However, we can always hope. Would the formation of a new conservative party be more likely since this one is rotten to the core and so entrenched?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. The "sane" republicans, as few as they are.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:16 AM
Jul 2018

Can do one of two things, vote with us, or run as conservative independents and split the conservative vote. It make more sense for them to vote with us until we gut their party, then they can go back in and take it over, and yes, they will have to end some old alliances that have gone bad.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. The interesting thing.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jul 2018

Is that republicans like that conservative commentator can help us push facism away and seal it in the dark hole that it again rose up from. Facism won't go away, there is and will be some in every country. What we can't allow to happen is for Facism to take over America, decent republicans (jeez, I can't believe I put those last two term side by side!), can help us turn back fascism, or they can be consumed by it, along with us.

bdamomma

(63,785 posts)
36. Yes but those repigs
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jul 2018

have sold their souls to the devil, I would like to know about those repigs who went to Russia on the 4th of July, rather treasonous of them isn't it?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
12. This Is All Hands On Deck
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jul 2018

Ex Republicans like Steve Schmidt and Jennifer Rubin have been as persuasive and stridently detailing the danger of Trump than anybody.

We must stop this move toward fascism here so we can work against the tide of fascism rising again overseas, strikingly similar to events in the late 20s and 30s over there.

lame54

(35,248 posts)
13. Max Boot?...
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jul 2018

If they had a superhero he would be called Ma....
Oh, never mind
Thanks for speaking out Max

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. Absent white nationalism, the Republican Party would cease to be viable.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 11:52 PM
Jul 2018

There simply wouldn't be enough people to support right wing economics, right wing health care policy, right wing environmental policy, and so on.

Bigotry, particularly racism, is the tie that binds. It's the glue holding that party together.

Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
20. Their demographics are shrinking
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:23 AM
Jul 2018

As such their GOTV efforts must get an increasingly larger share to the polls. Hard to do that without demagoguery, which is the surest path to white-nationalism. Eventually there will be a tipping point where sane people are going to bail and the wheels are going to fall off.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
21. They've seen the writing on the wall, and they've become increasingly desperate to erase it.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:37 AM
Jul 2018

This is why they've become increasingly extremist and overt.

PatrickforO

(14,556 posts)
18. Honestly, I'm not sure the GOP can survive.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 12:14 AM
Jul 2018

For what it's worth, what I think will play out over the next decade is that we will flip both US Houses of Congress in November, and gain hundreds of seats at local and state levels.

Then the new Democratic controlled Congress will begin the hard work of reversing all the damage the billionaire parasites have done to democracy, including the reversal of Citizens United and perhaps the reconfiguration of the Supreme Court to achieve a more constitution-oriented approach rather than legislating from the bench like the current right wing of the Court is wont to do.

National Popular Vote will pass in enough states to make the Electoral College a thing of the past.

At the state level, hundreds of new people will reinvigorate the Democratic Party and will take over the nominating process.

When the Democratic Party is firmly ensconced in power, it will begin to see a division between the more conservative and more progressive wings.

The Party will split into these wings, which will ultimately become two separate parties. This as the founders foresaw - they created a national government that would require plenty of debate and compromise to achieve forward progress. We may be frustrated sometimes because of this debate, but it is vital to the republic.

I believe, even if the Dems do at some point in the future split, there will be emphasis on climate change, on healthcare, and education. Because, conservative or progressive, any Dem is better than any Republican.

But, hey, this is all in future, and all my speculation. Right now, the road before us is to vote BLUE. Straight Dem!

Happy 4th!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. I hope there are enough of the intelligent, educated conservatives to make a difference.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:01 AM
Jul 2018

The masses of them are, well...you know. Not intelligent. Or they wouldn't have voted for the orange one.

JHB

(37,149 posts)
30. No, they won't. Not the ones who pretend they didn't make this happen
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:23 AM
Jul 2018

They'll piss and moan and eat up air time, but they'll go right back to feeding the beast if we manage to get it back on a leash.

JHB

(37,149 posts)
29. Boot leaves out the part where those "principled conservatives"...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:19 AM
Jul 2018

...spent their careers turning the Party of Lincoln into the Party of Ahab, at which point all it took was a name change to make it the Party of Trump.

I've yet to see even one of them recognize that they did to themselves what they did to the Rockefeller Republicans in the 70s and 80s. The same themes they pushed in order to gain power created an expectation they could never fully deliver on, so the monster they fed swept them aside as weak and ineffectual.

But they still don't see it. Give them a chance, and they'll go right back to it.

KG

(28,749 posts)
31. last time I looked, the repubs run things in this country, and have basically, since about '92
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:35 AM
Jul 2018

the demise of the gop is exaggerated.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
37. How was he okay with being in a party with a white nationalist fringe? If I found myself
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 05:13 PM
Jul 2018

aligned with white nationalists on any topic, I'd be taking a good hard look at my life.

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