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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:51 AM Jul 2018

Democrats are all in on Robert Mueller.

Through months and months of turmoil and confusion, they wait patiently for Robert Mueller to come forth with the evidence that will indict Donald Trump once and for all. They reside in a political purgatory, not knowing their final destination. They have faith, and hope for the best. All the while, the short-fingered, vulgarian dictator uses his power to consolidate his base and to demoralize his enemies. He attacks everyone that does not support his authoritarian practices, including Robert Mueller.

Democrats are "all in". They have no more cards to play. All their stakes are upon the table. They are relying on Robert Mueller to save them. If, for some reason he does not, they do not have a back-up plan. It's all or nothing. They can dust off their hands and the seat of their pants and go home. And wait...

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Democrats are all in on Robert Mueller. (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2018 OP
Yep wait for drumpf to destroy our way of life and our laws and our constitution. lark Jul 2018 #1
It's a big mistake to put all our eggs in the Mueller basket. Girard442 Jul 2018 #2
They are not, that is just the OPs opinion. It will be 2018 that will stop this. The voters still_one Jul 2018 #4
+1 WE are the only force that can stop Turd. Mueller is just one person. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #5
Exactly still_one Jul 2018 #6
Especially given the likelihood that the Republicans ooky Jul 2018 #21
Why do you think these 47% are any smarter today...? kentuck Jul 2018 #8
It really gets quite tiresome to blame it on everything else except the voter. If people still_one Jul 2018 #10
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink" kentuck Jul 2018 #13
I don't know what it is kentuck, and I agree your assessment, but if people don't learn from the still_one Jul 2018 #14
That will be the lesson from the next election... kentuck Jul 2018 #15
NO, it is the 2018 election that will stop this not Mueller, and they are well aware of that. still_one Jul 2018 #3
Mueller will write a strongly worded report fallout87 Jul 2018 #7
The best we can hope for in Mueller's report is that Trump is an "un-indicted co-conspirator"... kentuck Jul 2018 #9
That is highly unlikely unless the Democrats have the majority in the House still_one Jul 2018 #11
Even if we win back house, fallout87 Jul 2018 #17
There's a fallacy in there somewhere... kentuck Jul 2018 #18
Forget about impeachment, that only gets you President Pence. No, the goal is to at the least win OnDoutside Jul 2018 #19
Well, there IS an election November. Vote Blue. NT Adrahil Jul 2018 #12
I guess voting isn't a card to play?. SonofDonald Jul 2018 #16
Democrats have 'NO MORE CARDS TO PLAY???!!!" Hortensis Jul 2018 #20
" The blue wave reaction to growing fascism is real..." kentuck Jul 2018 #22
I haven't gone anywhere, though. Where are you Hortensis Jul 2018 #23
I hope you are right. kentuck Jul 2018 #24

lark

(23,094 posts)
1. Yep wait for drumpf to destroy our way of life and our laws and our constitution.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:56 AM
Jul 2018

That's what will happen if drumpf (and his master Putin) are left unchecked in their power over us. Look at what happened in Germany under Hitler and you have the blueprint he's following.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
2. It's a big mistake to put all our eggs in the Mueller basket.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jul 2018

Look how "moderate SCOTUS swing vote Anthony Kennedy " worked out. If imagining Mueller dying in a mysterious plane crash gets you in the right frame of mind, then do that.

still_one

(92,167 posts)
4. They are not, that is just the OPs opinion. It will be 2018 that will stop this. The voters
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jul 2018

We lost TWO Supreme Court appointments because 47% of the populace didn't think the Supreme Court was important enough to vote




lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. +1 WE are the only force that can stop Turd. Mueller is just one person.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:11 AM
Jul 2018

It will take tens of millions to stop Putin's conquest of the USA.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
21. Especially given the likelihood that the Republicans
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 05:01 PM
Jul 2018

will ignore any crime Mueller reveals that Trump has committed.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
8. Why do you think these 47% are any smarter today...?
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jul 2018

...than they were in 2016?

I'm not sure that is the case. More like wishful thinking, in my opinion.

still_one

(92,167 posts)
10. It really gets quite tiresome to blame it on everything else except the voter. If people
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jul 2018

aren't "ADULT" enough, or mature enough to realize what the stakes are, WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?


These cop out excuses that people make for not voting is bullshit, and THEY mostly will pay the consequences of their actions


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink








kentuck

(111,079 posts)
13. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink"
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jul 2018

Absolutely right!

If the voters are still not convinced by now to vote, I have no idea what else we can do to persuade them?

We have an uneducated populace when it comes to civic responsibilities. It is a failure of our education system perhaps?

still_one

(92,167 posts)
14. I don't know what it is kentuck, and I agree your assessment, but if people don't learn from the
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:05 AM
Jul 2018

past...………………..………………………………….

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
15. That will be the lesson from the next election...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jul 2018

...Did the people learn anything from the past?

I don't have a lot of faith in the American people at this time, unfortunately.

still_one

(92,167 posts)
3. NO, it is the 2018 election that will stop this not Mueller, and they are well aware of that.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:03 AM
Jul 2018

They understand very well who controls both the House and the Senate, and its highly unlikely if and when Mueller reveals hard evidence pf criminal activity among trump and his administration, it is Congress that determines if something is impeachable, and without a Democratic majority, that is unlikely



 

fallout87

(819 posts)
7. Mueller will write a strongly worded report
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:18 AM
Jul 2018

To Rosenstein... Rosenstein will decide if if goes to congress. Congress will not vote and convict him. That's how this ends.

The DOJ has a long standing practice of NOT indicting sitting presidents... and Mueller will abide by that.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
9. The best we can hope for in Mueller's report is that Trump is an "un-indicted co-conspirator"...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jul 2018

..the same as Richard Nixon.

And then hope the Congress will do something about it in this partisan atmosphere.

Buy more canned goods and ammo.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
17. Even if we win back house,
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jul 2018

impeachment is pointless unless we have the votes to convict in the senate. If the senate fails to convict, the backlash will be strong and he will shore up support. Same thing happened to Clinton

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
18. There's a fallacy in there somewhere...
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jul 2018

It happened with Clinton. Therefore, it will happen with Trump. That is not necessarily true.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
19. Forget about impeachment, that only gets you President Pence. No, the goal is to at the least win
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jul 2018

the House (and ideally the Senate), then subpoena the hell out of Trump, Trumpers and the especially the treasonous GOP for the following 18 months in the lead up to 2020.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Democrats have 'NO MORE CARDS TO PLAY???!!!"
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 04:33 PM
Jul 2018

Kentuck, imo that's shockingly mistaken. We have no subversives here, so there's no need to wonder about motive. You're just plain astonishingly wrong.

Our trump cards include but are not limited to:

The Constitution of the United States, the structure of our federal and state governments, and the body of law that has evolved over the past 225 years and more: Mueller operates within that but is only one cog in our wheels of justice, which are almost entirely on our side.

The VOTE: The blue wave reaction to growing fascism is real, and Republicans are terrified of what's going to happen on November 6, when as happens every 2 years, We The People have the chance to revolt -- almost literally from our armchairs.

The Fourth Estate: All honest media are serving democracy by revealing truth, and investigative journalism has never been better.

The march of history: For the entire history of our nation our side has won far more than lost because WE are the guardians of government of, by and for the people.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
22. " The blue wave reaction to growing fascism is real..."
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 05:57 PM
Jul 2018

We all truly want to believe that.

But there is no guarantee it will happen. It would be great if the American people were to rise up and restore our faith in democracy.

If there are more cards to play than the Mueller card, we have not seen them. It does not give anyone great confidence that the American people will rise to the occasion when they were so comatose to allow such a derelict to win the White House.

I hope the Democratic Party is strong enough to come back from wherever it has gone? The new voices give us hope but are there enough?

I understand why people are cynical. If the Democrats can win back the House or Senate in November, America will breathe a huge sigh of relief. If not, they will question whether or not we can survive two more years of this assault upon our lives?

This is so much worse than Watergate. An entire political Party has been taken over by saboteurs whose intent is to destroy our institutions and to put in place a sick, malevolent dictator. There is nothing that is sacred to these people.

I don't think the Republicans are that fearful of losing the House in November. I think they love pretending to be the underdog. I continue to hope for the best but I have almost lost all faith in the American people to stand up for our country.

I am tired of trying to persuade people of facts and reality. The die has been cast. We will know for sure with the elections in November. We will know what the people of this country are made of. We will know if they are worth saving.

It's depressing as hell to think about the other possibilities. I would agree with you that we need to remain positive until we are proven otherwise. It is a terribly sad chapter of history,in my opinion.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. I haven't gone anywhere, though. Where are you
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:57 PM
Jul 2018

that you imagine Democrats are lost and alone? Over half of Americans are still the people who voted to elect Obama twice and Hillary Clinton in 2018.

The blue wave is real, the question is how big it will be on November 6. There is a world of difference between worrying about that and denying that it exists after months of proof. The pattern began with early special elections and has continued every Tuesday in this primary season.

If we lose, it'll be both because the midterm elections are also stolen by evil agents AND because we live in a time where

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

No Democrat should look to others to provide his or her conviction. That's for the passionate worst at trumpster rallies. Conviction and commitment to government of, by and for the people has to come from within themselves. Failure results from personal weakness, not from Nancy Pelosi failing to add leading us in booster chants on her to-do list.

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