Justin Trudeau at center of "inferno out of control" tweets one of Canada's top pollsters

[NewsCenter28]

Happy day in the US with Pruitt's resignation and Lanny Davis joining Cohen's team, but a tough one up in Canada for progressives and those of us who hate seeing conservatives come to power anywhere.

https://twitter.com/darrellbricker

It's the first July 4th post of his.

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This issue is now an inferno burning out of control. Just like the India trip debacle, it is the interest of the foreign press that has put it over the top. Fair or unfair, the PM is in a tough spot and there’s no obvious or easy out.

From CTV News, the media is screaming at him to call an independent inquiry:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/i-do-not-feel-that-i-acted-inappropriately-pm-trudeau-on-groping-allegation-1.4001636

Asked about why he has not prompted an investigation into the matter, as has been done in cases with MPs from all federal parties when allegations of improper behaviour have been brought forward, Trudeau did not directly address the question, rather speaking to the broader #MeToo movement and the lessons being learned through it.
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer told CP24 that Trudeau has set a standard for the handling of these kinds of allegations within his caucus and he thinks the prime minister still has more to explain about the allegation.

I'm very familiar with Canadian politics. I think that PMJT has no choice but to resign and the magnificent Chrystia Freeland, his foreign affairs minister, who incidentally has a masterful grasp of the US file should take over. She's awesome, even been on Real Time with Bill Maher. I think if Trudeau resigns soon and Freeland takes over, the Liberals will sweep to a retained majority in the October 2019 election and the poor snivelling Scheer will be cast aside by the wise Canadian electorate. The power of having a female progressive take over one of the world's top democracies also can't be overstated.

[hlthe2b]

1. I don't come at this from a fullly informed perspective, but that reads awfully similar to Franken

Is there more evidence than initially seems apparent (which is seemingly not more than an allegation?)

[NewsCenter28]

3. It really is similar to Franken

However, MeToo really is a reckoning. I think even an allegation makes this fatal and not something that you can come back from. We must believe the women. We have no choice but to believe them if we are to grow out of this behaviour that men have been conducting in society for years. The cost of this reckoning is that PMJT must go. It's made easier when a star like Freeland is waiting in the wings who can clip the Conservative wings at getting any traction from this.

[hlthe2b]

4. A Canadian decision that i will respect, but I intensely disagree as I did with Franken.

It does the METOO movement no honor and no benefit to have mere accusations destroy careers. I'm not saying benefit-of-the doubt should not be given the women, but they must bring something to the accusation that supports the claim.

I've been harassed in my career--likewise decades ago, but have no expectation that I would be believed solely on my statement alone.

METOO should be a justice movement and not one for which some could conclude justice takes a backseat to vengeance.

[NewsCenter28]

6. Well put thoughts!

Apparently, her story has been corroborated though because she told her colleagues at the Creston, BC newspaper at which she worked that the incident happened immediately after it did. So, little doubt it is true and not just an allegation.

[NanceGreggs]

8. So if I accuse a man of molesting me ...

... and I told a coworker that he molested me,THAT makes it an irrefutable fact and not just an allegation?

What law school did you graduate from?

[cwydro]

21. Thank you.

And I am a woman.

This is ridiculous.

[NanceGreggs]

7. "We must believe the women.

We have no choice but to believe them ..."

Well, to put it bluntly, fuck that noise. We always have a choice as to who we find credible based on criteria that goes far beyond "we must believe".

This "we must believe them" attitude is ludicrous on its face, and is detrimental to those who actually should be believed. Every time a woman yells "I was raped/molested/attacked" who actually wasn't, it casts doubt on every woman who actually was.

I live in Toronto - where I have lived for over forty years now - and I can tell you that Justin Trudeau isn't going anywhere.

If people are expected to "believe them if we are to grow out of this behaviour that men have been conducting in society for years", they are no better off than NOT believing women who come forward with accusations. The end result is the same - instead of assessing each case on its merits, they are simply sheep who follow what could be a legitimate claimant, or could simply be a Judas Goat.

So again, fuck this noise of "let's just believe everyone", because doing so is so much easier than having to think it through and come to a logical conclusion based on the facts.

Quite frankly, that attitude just smacks of RW talking points. And reversing the usual "don't believe ANY woman" to say "you must believe EVERY woman" is no less abhorrent. In both cases, facts don't matter.

[hlthe2b]

10. +1

[Cha]

11. Thanks, Nance..

"Must believe every woman.." uh NO.. right. "on the merits"

[llmart]

23. Great post.

Believing every woman is just as bad as believing none of them. This is MeToo gone amok.

[MicaelS]

14. So all men are now guilty until..

Proven innocent? And how do you prove a negative?

And we complain about how Trumpsters don't believe in Justice.

[LBM20]

18. If they lie we don't need to believe them. If they exaggerate and embellish we don't

need to believe them. If they lack credibility we don't need to believe them. And we don't need to destroy reputations and careers without one HELL of a lot more than this. You are advocating dictatorial injustice and the destruction of due process of law.

Sounds like a BS hitjob similar to Franken, and ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT!

And saying this does NOT mean I or anyone tolerates sexual abuse or impropriety. But we also don't tolerate BS hitjobs like this appears to be.

What happened to Al Franken was WRONG! Period! No more of that! Dealing with sexual abuse and harassment is one thing. These witch hunts are another.

[dsc]

19. with all due respect

no one is entitled to be believed a priori. What the women are entitled to is having their accusations taken seriously. Part of taking something seriously is investigating the charges, not simply taking them at their word. Emmit Till died because someone took a liar at her word. I have no idea what Canada does in this case but let that system work.

[BannonsLiver]

2. ...

[msongs]

5. everything on twitter is true nt

[melman]

9. This part here

'In his first direct comments on the incident on Canada Day last Sunday, the prime minister said he “didn’t remember any negative interactions that day at all”, but on Thursday he said “I apologized in the moment” without giving details'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-politics-trudeau/canadas-trudeau-facing-groping-allegation-says-he-apologized-did-nothing-wrong-idUSKBN1JV33O


doesn't look good.

[BannonsLiver]

13. Well it has changed my view of Trudeau

Nah, just kidding.

[Cha]

15. I know right!

Trudeau .. NOT

[melman]

20. Wasn't trying to

Just commenting on this news story.

[bdamomma]

12. a 20 yr ago

incident??? doesn't anyone think why now has this incident coming to light??? when tRump is going after Canada and Trudeau. hmm....

[Cha]

16. And, trump is the biggest sexual predator and pervert

of them all.

Like Nance said.. "fuck that noise".

[BannonsLiver]

17. +1

But no need for tinfoil, it’s a real thing. Quite amazing to watch people fall for the same shit over and over again.

BTW, the op also seems patronizing to women on at least one level with the almost satirical, over the top pleas about how every allegation must be believed, without any kind of independent verification. that helps who exactly?

[JI7]

22. Why do you keep pushing this ?