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babylonsister

(171,031 posts)
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 11:44 AM Jul 2018

How Mueller Will Use Manafort's Trial to Prove Trump Corruption

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/07/how-mueller-will-use-manaforts-trial-to-prove-trump-corruption.html

Posted on Sat, Jul 7th, 2018 by Leo Vidal
How Mueller Will Use Manafort’s Trial to Prove Trump Corruption


The Paul Manafort trial is set to begin on July 25, and special counsel Robert Mueller has now shown us how he will use the trial not only to put Trump’s former campaign manager in prison for the rest of his life but also to prove corruption in the Trump campaign.

The indictments against Manafort issued last year listed over 20 serious financial crimes, including bank fraud, and if Mueller can prove just one of these Manafort will do serious jail time.

In a court filing on Friday Mueller revealed how he is connecting the dots between Manafort’s crimes and Donald Trump’s corruption.

According to CNN:

“Prosecutors for special counsel Robert Mueller said in a court filing Friday that they intend to present evidence at the trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that a banking executive allegedly helped Manafort obtain bank loans of more than $6 million while the banker sought a role in the Trump campaign.”


Mueller is now saying explicitly that there is a connection between Manafort’s fraud case and Donald Trump. The filing makes clear that Mueller’s team has evidence it will present in court to prove that there is a link between Manafort’s crimes and Mueller’s investigation into the Trump campaign.

So even though the Manafort trial is not about Trump’s collusion, it will be about Trump’s corruption which Mueller can prove in court.

Mueller will show that a bank executive was given a position as a Trump campaign adviser in exchange for massive loans to Paul Manafort which should never have been made.


By showing that the loans were made in exchange for a Trump campaign position Mueller can go into court and provide evidence that Trump and his campaign team were involved in Manafort’s fraudulent dealings.

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Everybody knows that Donald Trump micromanaged his presidential campaign, so if his campaign chairman brought a banker into the campaign then Donald Trump knew about it. By proving Manafort committed crimes, Mueller will also prove that Donald Trump was (indirectly) involved in them.
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
2. Maybe that's why Manafort is being kept in solitary confinement
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jul 2018

pending his trial - so the Russians can't get to him and take him out.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
4. It protects him from the Russians and other inmates
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 12:00 PM
Jul 2018

There are people in prison who would kill Manafort just because he is a public figure and they want the attention that killing him would bring them.

mopinko

(69,987 posts)
8. he'll still have to testify. and he'll have to admit guilt to get the pardon.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:58 AM
Jul 2018

it wont help spanky. ergo, he wont get it.

 

Kotya

(235 posts)
11. This is simply not true.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jul 2018

Why do people here pretend otherwise?

Trump could pardon Manafort an hour from now and that would be the end of it.

mopinko

(69,987 posts)
12. it might remove his fear of prison, but
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jul 2018

he could still be subpoenaed, and at that point has no right to take the 5th.

 

Kotya

(235 posts)
13. He could also toss that subpoena in the trash.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:06 PM
Jul 2018

Or he could show up and plead the 5th anyways. Why not? Or he could show up and pick his nose and answer every question asked of him with "DEEZ NUTZ!"

He's been pardoned. He's not going to be too worried over a contempt charge.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. No question there was corruption in trump's campaign. But they have to tie it to trump or all
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jul 2018

it means is some Aholes like Manafort go to jail. While I am sure that he did know, I don't think GOPers in the House or Senate are going to do anything about it. So trump remains in office.

Now, if the banker had gotten the position, with trumps' approval, we'd have something. But he didn't, and I still don't think Congress would do anything had he gotten a position, nor will his voters care.

That's the problem. Our best chance to neuter trump is to win big in November.

FakeNoose

(32,568 posts)
9. This trial will be on the news 24/7 so everyone can see what happened
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 10:06 AM
Jul 2018

I'm hoping they'll show it on TV like the Watergate hearings, but I guess there's not much chance of that happening.

Anyway I think enough Trump voters will take a look at this and start wondering what the hell is going on. Maybe it will be enough to change their minds - a few of them anyway. In November we need big turnouts for the Dems, and maybe some of the Trump voters will decide to stay home.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I hope you are right. I think evidence against Manafort will be difficult for ignorant white wingers
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:13 AM
Jul 2018

to understand as regards trump. There is also a chance Manafort will get off or there will be nothing tying trump to Manafort's loans, resulting in trump yelling "No Collusion" going into November. Then, maybe prosecutors will nail his rear and begin implicating trump.

You'd think trump supporters would wonder how the Prez has managed to hire so many criminals and incompetents.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
14. Are all of Manafort's crimes Federal? Or are some state crimes?
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jul 2018

My understanding of trump’s ability to pardon is that it is limited to Federal crimes only. Anything that violated state laws is something tRump is not authorized to pardon. So even if tRump says All is forgiven, he could still be prosecuted for state crimes and face a long period of incarceration. And during the federal trial (if it gets that far without tRump trying to short circuit that with a pardon) a lot of damning stuff will come out that shows what Manafort did but also exposes tRump’s crimes. So even if there is effort by tRump to keep this out of court, the truth will be out to the public where people can make up their own minds.

As for making it all open and easy for anyone to watch the proceedings, maybe CSPAN will carry it. I remember watching the Watergate coverage on TV in the 70s. It was like watching an afternoon soap opera only it was REAL and nobody was an actor. I tuned in every day and wouldn't have missed it even though I didn’t understand a lot about it. I learned as it went on and showed me how things work in a real courtroom. I just hope that our process has not been completely corrupted by tRump and his minions.
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