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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:54 AM Jul 2018

"Why does Trump hate Germany?"

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germany-nato-why-germany-trumps-strange-fixation-vexes-experts/

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That is fairly easy to answer: Germany is everything Trump dislikes in a country.

- Germany is clumsy and slow. Everything is bogged down with regulations and complicated multilateral negotiations, from Germany's 6-party-parliament to its financial regulations to its unions.

- Germany has no glamour. Sure Germany has its share of skyscrapers and international celebrities and artists, but where are the decadent parties with yachts and models?

- Germany is famous for its engineers and scientists. Jobs where almost anyone can rise to a good career. That doesn't play well with Trump's classist mindset.

- Germany has a leadership-role in the EU and yet refuses that power because they don't want all the pressure and responsibility. Also, the EU is a complicated network of political and economic connections and Trump cannot handle this.

- Germany is friendly to immigrants.

- And worst of all: Germany is run by an old woman.





Compare that to Russia:

- Russia is run by an authoritarian strongman, for the simple reason that all of his competitors are either nutjobs from the political fringe, fame-hungry celebrities, or have successfully been branded as unreliable troublemakers.

- As such, Russia acts fast and decisive, because there is no need for internal deliberations.

- Russia has an imperial mindset. From the Czars, to the Soviet Union, to Putin, the Russians have always felt a connection to Russia as an empire. (The chaos of the post Cold War era has soured democracy's image in Russia.) And Trump shares that imperial mindset, where he's not one among equals, but one at the top.

- Russia is famous for its billionaires and vulgar dictator-chic and its parties and beautiful women.

- Russia is ethnically diverse, but basically all of these ethnicities are white people, so that's fine.

- And best of all: Russia is run by a man who likes to show off his virility.
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"Why does Trump hate Germany?" (Original Post) DetlefK Jul 2018 OP
Hi DetlefK syringis Jul 2018 #1
Oh that's right.. it was his grandfather Cha Jul 2018 #3
putin tells trump to hate Germany. Cha Jul 2018 #2
Yes. Maybe it reminds him of his family's humble past. DetlefK Jul 2018 #5
His grandpa Scarsdale Jul 2018 #25
because he takes his orders from Putin JI7 Jul 2018 #4
I think it's 100 percent Merkel BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #6
Yeah, she is a heck of a lot smarter than he is. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #7
Putin is older than Merkel. LisaM Jul 2018 #8
I wondered about that too. kag Jul 2018 #18
So true, so sadly true. RVN VET71 Jul 2018 #26
He's making her look weak to her voters so putin can run a right wing candidate against her. rainin Jul 2018 #9
Ding Cosmocat Jul 2018 #14
though you may be channeling Trump, I take offense to referring to Merkel as an "old woman" hlthe2b Jul 2018 #10
- And worst of all: Germany is run by an old woman. Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #11
Again, you may be channeling, but it is offensive to see DUers refer to Merkel as an "old woman" hlthe2b Jul 2018 #28
Because his grandfather died in WWII Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #12
'Cause Merkel and Obama got along so well. betsuni Jul 2018 #13
That's a biggie. nt babylonsister Jul 2018 #15
Trump hates Germany because Putin told him to hate Germany and because Angela Merkel is a female Snake Plissken Jul 2018 #16
Did he get denied a business dealing at some point in the past? liberal N proud Jul 2018 #17
it's Merkel - she refuses to be subservient to him DrDan Jul 2018 #19
And Germany takes care of its people, thereby making GOP-style fascism look even worse. sandensea Jul 2018 #20
Because,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #21
Merkel is "uppity," but is straight, and would not stab America in the back DFW Jul 2018 #22
Putin is telling Trump to ruin NATO to start divisions within Germany. UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #23
"Russia is famous for its... beautiful women" The King of Prussia Jul 2018 #24
Plus Merkel really liked Obama and it was mutual BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #27
Germany (Bavaria) deported his grandfather for being a criminal draft dodger. George II Jul 2018 #29
Because he's a corrupt criminal like duforsure Jul 2018 #30
this is kind of a dumb list ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #31
he hates strong women. spanone Jul 2018 #32
he hates bdamomma Jul 2018 #33
Germany also really frowns on those who Trump calls "fine people" mythology Jul 2018 #34

syringis

(5,101 posts)
1. Hi DetlefK
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:01 AM
Jul 2018

Do not forget his grandpa who was deported...

Not exactly Germany at this time, but does that make a difference for the Great Ignoranus ?


Cha

(296,679 posts)
3. Oh that's right.. it was his grandfather
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:09 AM
Jul 2018

who was Deported..

Well that changes Everything!

Mahalo, syringis.. I'll have to edit my post other post on this thread.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
2. putin tells trump to hate Germany.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:06 AM
Jul 2018

Aren't Fraud's ancestors from Germany? Like his Drumpfuck's father?

ETA~ It was his grandfather Drumpf who was Deported.. Fraud's carrying a Grudge

Mahalo, syringis!

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Yes. Maybe it reminds him of his family's humble past.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:16 AM
Jul 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallstadt


That's where Trump's ancestors come from.

And the whole state basically looks like that. Humble, rural... forests, hills, villages, agriculture, wine... It's very nice there. The cities and towns separated from each other by endless forests for hiking.

But I guess it's not flashy enough for Trump. He stole a british coat-of-arms and the truth is that his ancestors are from a 1000-people village in the middle of nowhere.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
25. His grandpa
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:42 AM
Jul 2018

was a pimp, who opened a brothel in Canada. So using and discarding women runs in the tRump family.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
6. I think it's 100 percent Merkel
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:17 AM
Jul 2018

Red Don lacks the intellectual capacity to process the other things you mentioned. If he knows Germany has six parties I’ll eat my hat.

CozyMystery

(652 posts)
7. Yeah, she is a heck of a lot smarter than he is.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:30 AM
Jul 2018

My mom is 83. She has PTSD from being a kid in WW2 Germany, and from living in the former East Germany.

She will not speak of the trauma. A decade ago, the nightmares got to be too much. She asked me if I could help her figure out why she dreams of a bear attacking her every night. I said bear = Russia. The nightmares stopped.

It was incredibly mean for Trump to say what he did about Russia to Dr. Merkel.

I have a huge bias against Russia. Not the people. The government. And I always will have because I like it that way.

LisaM

(27,789 posts)
8. Putin is older than Merkel.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:00 AM
Jul 2018

How is it that she is described as an old woman, while Putin is referred to as virile??

kag

(4,078 posts)
18. I wondered about that too.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:56 AM
Jul 2018

Okay, well, not "wondered" but I did fume about it.

Women are "old" when they cease being attractive to lecherous males. Men are "old" when lecherous males don't feel threatened by them.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
26. So true, so sadly true.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:51 AM
Jul 2018

Maybe Trump is the last noisy vestige of the old mind set. Or maybe he will be seen as just a reinvigoration of it?

Cosmocat

(14,557 posts)
14. Ding
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:24 AM
Jul 2018

Stating the obvious, not sure why people got to dance around and try to do gymnastics to come up with other rationales.

hlthe2b

(102,057 posts)
10. though you may be channeling Trump, I take offense to referring to Merkel as an "old woman"
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:16 AM
Jul 2018

disgraceful. TRULY

Arkansas Granny

(31,502 posts)
11. - And worst of all: Germany is run by an old woman.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:19 AM
Jul 2018

I think this has a lot to do with his attitude. His ego won't allow him to see a woman as an equal as far as political power and/or intellect. He thinks it makes him look weak.

hlthe2b

(102,057 posts)
28. Again, you may be channeling, but it is offensive to see DUers refer to Merkel as an "old woman"
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:23 AM
Jul 2018

without quotation marks. It is offensive and enables such misogynistic attitudes.

Not meaning to be rude to you Arkansas Granny, as I think I know what you meant, but it is distressing to see Duers feed into this.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
16. Trump hates Germany because Putin told him to hate Germany and because Angela Merkel is a female
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:37 AM
Jul 2018

If Germany's Chancellor was a douchebag who reminded Trump of his father, he would be trying to win his love too, just as he's doing with Putin and Kim Jong-un.

liberal N proud

(60,331 posts)
17. Did he get denied a business dealing at some point in the past?
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:37 AM
Jul 2018

This prick is vindictive and is using the office to punish anyone who ever crossed him.

sandensea

(21,586 posts)
20. And Germany takes care of its people, thereby making GOP-style fascism look even worse.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jul 2018

They're also yooge donors to international aid and relief - another Cheeto pet peeve.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
22. Merkel is "uppity," but is straight, and would not stab America in the back
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:30 AM
Jul 2018

Putin tells Trump what he wants to hear, lies, and manipulates Trump like a puppet. Putin will stab Trump (and us) in the back the second it's convenient.

Trump prefers Putin's style. The scary part is that a third of America does, too.

24. "Russia is famous for its... beautiful women"
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:42 AM
Jul 2018

And Germany isn't?

My suspicion is that the problem the tiny orange one has with German women, is that any German ladies he has ever encountered have made it clear that they wouldn't touch his sweaty form with a ten-foot barge pole.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Germany (Bavaria) deported his grandfather for being a criminal draft dodger.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jul 2018

I think that is also why he's so obsessed with immigrants.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
30. Because he's a corrupt criminal like
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jul 2018

His grandfather was, and also putin wants this done to hurt our allies with now. trump and putin are terrorists, and anti Democracy promoters, Germany isn't. They and other allies should remove trump from any more meetings , and reject our membership in anything by sending the republican leaders a heads up , stop him now or they'll not be our ally anymore, because trump sure as hell isn't there's, and he'll bypass Congress soon to stop them also.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
31. this is kind of a dumb list
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jul 2018

the answer is as Plissken says in #16 - he hates Germany because Putin told him to destroy NATO.

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