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shraby

(21,946 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:21 PM Jul 2018

An obversation I've never seen made about the 2 investigations before the election

is this.
Much has been said about the Hillary's email investigation being made public, but nothing was said about the investigation into trump. Here is my theory about the difference between the two.

Hillary's had been investigated for 2 years previous. Everyone knew about those emails.

Trump's investigation was so serious and so dangerous to the country, that they didn't dare let it out of the bag because they didn't want to give Russia a heads up in case it would make them change their plans and modus operandi.

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An obversation I've never seen made about the 2 investigations before the election (Original Post) shraby Jul 2018 OP
Yes, that's how these things go. Turbineguy Jul 2018 #1
more generally, the hillary investigations were total political fabrications. unblock Jul 2018 #2
Could be. Seems plausible anyway. triron Jul 2018 #6
Based on Mueller's presumed deep and wide Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #3
You don't show someone you've broken their ciphers lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #4
Like Pearl Harbor. GeorgeGist Jul 2018 #5
It's amazing at what lengths the republican bunch (they are not representatives) will shraby Jul 2018 #7
Let's get real. Revealing re-opening of the Clinton e-mail... brush Jul 2018 #8

Turbineguy

(37,285 posts)
1. Yes, that's how these things go.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:26 PM
Jul 2018

It was the same when Turing's people broke the Enigma Codes. They had to make sure the Nazis did not find out.

unblock

(52,113 posts)
2. more generally, the hillary investigations were total political fabrications.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:28 PM
Jul 2018

there was never any legitimate criminal possibility and never any legitimate legislative question in either case (other than why did republicans slash the budget for protection of state department employees, that is).

the investigation into donnie, was and remains as serious as it gets. many crimes were committed by enemies foreign and domestic.


to your point, when you see a crime in progress you don't normally want to let it continue if you can reasonably stop it. in terms of an ongoing investigation, you don't want to do anything to compromise your sources, and revealing what we knew about russian interference at that point quite possibly would have done that.

i'm speculating about highly classified matters, of course, but generally this is among the key reasons for not tipping off the criminals too early.

that and of course you want to make sure you have enough hard evidence to make sure you can get a conviction.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
3. Based on Mueller's presumed deep and wide
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:37 PM
Jul 2018

investigation, I’m agreeing with this assessment. The network of spies and traitors is so extensive, eventually pulling in so many people, that it may have been worth sacrificing an election to clean out ALL of the Russian rot NOW. That’s because they can leave no stone unturned. And they won’t.

Meanwhile, Trumpy is in a race against time, trying to take control of the investigation before it controls HIM. Go Bobby go!

lapfog_1

(29,190 posts)
4. You don't show someone you've broken their ciphers
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:40 PM
Jul 2018

West Wing covered this too.

" -Sam, Daniel Gault was a spy.
-Oh, my God.
-He was a Soviet spy.
-Based on what? Cables intercepted by U S.
Army Signal Intelligence in the 1940s.
Why couldn't the U S.
attorney make espionage in the 1950s? The cables weren't decrypted until the 1970s.
We cracked some obscure Russian code and learned Gault was a spy? -Yes.
-That's crap.
If the FBI had proof on Gault, they'd have told the world.
No, they wouldn't.
Neither would the NSA or Central Intelligence.
You don't show someone you've broken their ciphers unless you have to.
Gault was long dead.
Before he was, he was an agent called BIack Water.

Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=the-west-wing&episode=s02e16

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. It's amazing at what lengths the republican bunch (they are not representatives) will
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jul 2018

go to in order to find ANYTHING they can to discredit the investigation, throw it off the rails, get rid of investigators and call everyone but trump and co. liars.

They are all invested in this coup and hope by getting rid if it, they won't be in the final indictments.

brush

(53,737 posts)
8. Let's get real. Revealing re-opening of the Clinton e-mail...
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:12 PM
Jul 2018

investigation on Oct. 28, 2016 was repug, partisan bullshit, as Comey had plenty of time to have Weiner's laptop examined before he went public (it was in fact examined in a few days, and it came out a week before the election that the emails on the laptop were duplicates of emails already examined.

What was the rush? The rush, which is obvious in hindsight, was to help trump get elected.

Comey as head of the FBI was well aware that releasing prejudicial info within days of an election was a gross violation of the Hatch Act but partisan hack Comey disregarded that and released his letter to Chaffetz before bothering to even look at the laptop.

He accomplished his mission to help trump get elected.

What he should've done was keep his mouth shut about the trump/Russian investigation and the created-from-whole-cloth, so called new Clinton investigation.

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