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TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:32 PM Jul 2018

Wording of today's indictment.

It reads like legal mumbo-jumbo but there is an interesting phrase in today's indictment. The indictment repeatedly alleges actions by "the Conspirators." "The Conspirators" is defined as the listed Russian GRU officers and "persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury." That expression is what lawyers call "boiler plate." Boiler plate often doesn't mean anything but sometimes it does.

It's clear to everyone that the reference in Paragraph 44 of the indictment to an e-mail sent to the GRU was sent by Roger Stone. The indictment alleges the e-mail was sent by "the Conspirators." Ergo, Roger Stone is one of "the Conspirators." At this point, Roger Stone is an unindicted co-conspirator.

That makes me wonder which other "persons known . . . to the Grand Jury" are also unindicted co-conspirators. I can think of any number of people who ought to be concerned.

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Wording of today's indictment. (Original Post) TomSlick Jul 2018 OP
Curious also about sealed indictments. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #1
I have to assume that sealed indictment name the so far unindicted co-conspirators. TomSlick Jul 2018 #2
Yes sir. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #4
There probably are no sealed indictments related to this case marylandblue Jul 2018 #7
Hmmm. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #9
People have speculated that, but it doesn't really make sense, however, marylandblue Jul 2018 #11
Yes. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #12
"...for the first time" jcgoldie Jul 2018 #3
Watch when he's saying that... Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #5
Mueller and his team don't do throw-away phrases. TomSlick Jul 2018 #6
Think of it this way marylandblue Jul 2018 #8
Heehee. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #10

TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
2. I have to assume that sealed indictment name the so far unindicted co-conspirators.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:37 PM
Jul 2018

Interesting times - huh?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. There probably are no sealed indictments related to this case
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:42 PM
Jul 2018

DOJ policy discourages extended sealed indictments and courts frown on them.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
9. Hmmm.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jul 2018

I don't know enough to say. I thought about a month ago (30 years in trum years), they were saying he has them as an option and they remain secret. Thanks for the info. Good evening Maryandblue.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. People have speculated that, but it doesn't really make sense, however,
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:50 PM
Jul 2018

I am sure Mueller has many indictments written and ready for signature.

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
3. "...for the first time"
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:38 PM
Jul 2018

Maybe its wishful thinking but that seemingly throw away phrase tossed in reference to spearfishing for emails on the exact same date Trump famously gave his "Russia if your listening..." speech... maybe its telling.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
5. Watch when he's saying that...
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jul 2018

that's a man lying openly and selling out every one of us. Look real good at his face. That's a sociopath in action.

TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
6. Mueller and his team don't do throw-away phrases.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jul 2018

If it's in the indictment, it means something. The only question is what does it mean?

I'm looking forward to learning.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. Think of it this way
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:47 PM
Jul 2018

If Donald Trump had sent someone an email saying "I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily," and a few hours later that same someone hacked in Clinton's servers, do you think there would be any question about Trump's involvement? Lordy, we don't need tapes, we have it on television.

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