I think Mueller knows that the election was illegitimate.

[LuckyCharms]

I think Congress, the CIA, and the FBI know also. I also think they have irrefutable proof that the actual votes were tampered with.

I also think that this knowledge will not be made public for many many years for fear of massive de-stabilization on a worldwide scale.

[milestogo]

1. They will cover it up for 50 years or more.

[LuckyCharms]

2. I think they will too. n/t

[Meadowoak]

8. Yep!

[Snellius]

3. He does. It was.

All that about the Russian hacking having no effect on the election is nonsense. Russian hackers stole emails and passwords from the DNC and Russian spies passed it along to Wikileaks, which did considerable damage to the party, the campaign and the candidate. They might as well have taken over a media outlet, like Fox News. Oh yeah, they did.

[Meadowoak]

12. The vote totals were hacked too, no way in hell Trump won Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania!

[kentuck]

4. You may be right.

I would not be surprised.

[get the red out]

5. I agree completely

I have been thinking this for well over a year.

[lunasun]

6. Same at least the investigation . Perhaps decided USA can't handle the truth plus it could

destroy the GOP

[marlakay]

7. With our systems there is nothing

To stop it from happening on any election they want. I personally don’t trust any of the voting machines and glad my state votes mostly by mail.

I drive mine to drop box and by the lines so do many others.

[Blue_true]

9. If someone wants to, dropboxes can be tampered with.

And certain vote destroyed. Any election system, even a 100% paper one can be tampered with by those willing and with a reason to do it.
I honestly believe that the country is so divided that we are better off breaking up into two seperate countries and going out seperate ways. Until that happens, true election integrity won't. I just don't trust people that have a republican state of mind.

[RandomAccess]

20. YES!!! And -

that's a LOT harder and more labor intensive than a few keystrokes. Even a few thousand or hundreds of thousands of key strokes.

[Blue_true]

22. They way that our elections are working out.

Tampered only have to put people at a few dropboxes in key districts in key states to change results. Yes, it's harder than keystrokes, but it is infinitely possible by some organization that is determined.

[CrispyQ]

13. And then they run those ballots through a tabulator & digitize the vote.

If your county is like mine, the paper ballots are only hand counted if the vote is close, or there is some kind of issue. It's better than not having a paper trail at all but we need to go back to hand counting paper ballots.

[FreepFryer]

10. Agreed & US strategy must facilitate a peaceful transition of power or further compromise US natsec.

[Saguaro]

11. Statistics don't lie

First post -- long time lurker. The state of the world prompted me to speak out.

The math clearly shows that what happened on Nov 8th, 2016 was completely anomalous. Why are we expected to believe that every pollster, who had predicted many, mnay past election results with impeccable precision, was wrong? That alone told me something was very wrong that night.

When Mueller finally does play his cards, I think the evidence will be overwhelmingly clear to everyone, and it's going to cause some serious back-peddling in the GOP as they try to deny they ever supported this disaster (which they won't be able to get out of). Problem is that when time comes for removal, be it impeachment or after the 2020 election, 45 will refuse to leave. Then things will get bad.

[LuckyCharms]

14. Yes...spot on about the math. Welcome to DU! n/t

[marble falls]

21. Oh, he'll leave all right.

[anarch]

15. I've had the same thoughts

Considering how blatantly clear it was (to me at least) at the end of the election cycle that something truly nefarious had happened, I couldn't believe that the outgoing administration wouldn't do more than they did to fight back, or at least make it clear to the American people that the electoral process had been subverted...my theory at the time was that whatever had happened was actually so much worse than anything that had been made public, that they were afraid that public knowledge of the essentially stolen election would cause the country to blow up entirely and descend into chaos.

So they had to hope that the structure of our republic was sturdy enough to survive, and hope that the balance of power between the three branches of the government would prevent major damage...after all, the nation survived the 2nd Bush presidency, so everyone decided to go on as if things were just fine, and this was a normal transition to a new administration, not the handing over of the executive branch to a bunch of criminals.

In other words, I suspect that the worst parts of the truth were suppressed in order to prevent major riots.

I think this is a common approach to information that would be so upsetting to the public that it would cause a panic, and/or cause people to lose faith in our society. Sort of like in that movie "Deep Impact", where the fictitious president kept the news of an impending asteroid collision with the Earth under wraps for as long as possible, exactly for the reasons you state--fear of massive de-stabilization, descent into chaos, riots, etc.

Mostly they just want people to keep going to work, buying stuff, enriching the already rich oligarchs, etc. If people knew the truth, all of that might be threatened.

[Rene]

16. I think Brexit votes were illegally switched also...

Via hacking ....identical pgm names on two 'switched' servers...one pgm legit....on other server it's rogue and pgming flips votes

[panader0]

17. I agree with the "massive de-stabilization" part.

Kinda scary....

[R B Garr]

18. Yes, I think you are right. nt

[Rustynaerduwell]

19. I tried to make a broader point in another post that criminal Presidents get away with their crimes

because of "fear of massive de-stabilization on a worldwide scale". We all know the truth of what happened. We've known the truth of past crimes committed by past Presidents. There are truths the institutions of our country will not acknowledge, for if society falls they fall. It is for the protection of our way of life that we end up allowing attacks on our way of life by the highest offices in our land go unchallenged.