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Augiedog

(2,545 posts)
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:28 PM Jul 2018

Speculation is rampant about who the congressman is that is referenced in the Mueller indictments.

I have seen several unsourced stories that suggest it is Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. I can’t help thinking that this unthinkable is very much possible.

Paul Ryan’s retirement from congress is simply not reasonable. He is/was at the height of his career. So he decides to call it quits? I suspect that he knows he is going to be indicted. He may well be the congressman that asked Russia via Gusifer 2.0 for dirt on a political opponent.

He may be one of the few who is getting inside information on the Mueller investigation, at least enough info to know where the rocks are going to fall.

What Ryan should be doing is running for the US Senate against Tammy Baldwin, not retiring. I suspect he is a very scared person at this point, a wall may be about fall on him.

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Speculation is rampant about who the congressman is that is referenced in the Mueller indictments. (Original Post) Augiedog Jul 2018 OP
Either Ryan or Devin Nunes... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2018 #1
I think it's Ryan too. underthematrix Jul 2018 #2
And who did the stooge pass the information on to and then they used? The entire Republican Party?? Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #3
Remember Steele in his Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #26
I don't think it's him but I'd sure be tickled pink if it was. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #4
It talks about a Republican lobbyist from Florida, meaning it's likely OliverQ Jul 2018 #5
I think it's Mast because... Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #15
I've read elsewhere it's Mast, too. babylonsister Jul 2018 #23
i would be very happy if it was Gaetz. Different Drummer Jul 2018 #17
He is my rep and there is not a bigger weasel on the planet. Grammy23 Jul 2018 #27
The "state lobbyist and online source of political news" is Aaron Nevins of Florida. herding cats Jul 2018 #33
Hopefully all those rat bastards blueinredohio Jul 2018 #6
That would give me a justice boner. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #7
It's Brian Mast , Florida R. Rick Wilson said on Twitter he knew who it was and octoberlib Jul 2018 #8
For the record, I said that publicly before Wilson. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #11
Yes you did. I saw the post. octoberlib Jul 2018 #13
THIS? malaise Jul 2018 #9
I keep telling people it's likely to be a congressman from Florida. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #10
Either Nunes or Rohrabacher if not the FL guy who had copies of the leaked Guccifer 2.0 files BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #12
Something tells me there is going to be multiple indictments of congressmen for standingtall Jul 2018 #14
I think you are absolutely right Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #16
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #20
dont think it's ryan AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #18
Hard to say. H2O Man Jul 2018 #19
He is too pretty to go to jail. They will have to put him in protective custody. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #21
Rick Wilson says it's Rep. Mast. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #22
See this article; it mentions Mast and 2 other Florida Republicans minoan Jul 2018 #24
It didn't say congressman. It said candidate for Congress. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2018 #25
Sleeper enid602 Jul 2018 #28
Well here's some Ryan info - RandomAccess Jul 2018 #29
Remember "I think Putin pays Trump"? Corvo Bianco Jul 2018 #30
Ex-Nebraska Democratic congressman Brad Ashford says Russian agents hacked Gothmog Jul 2018 #31
Dana Rohrabacher, Devin Nunes, Darrel Issa: sad reminders that Calif is not all Democratic. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #32
Don't forget how fast Jason Chaffetz slithered away the second he started seeing evidence in the meadowlander Jul 2018 #34

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,783 posts)
1. Either Ryan or Devin Nunes...
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jul 2018


But I would love nothing more than to see the saintly Ayn Rand acolyte indicted for conspiracy to commit treason . Surely that will be enough to rock Wisconsin back to its Democratic Party strength down the ballot.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. And who did the stooge pass the information on to and then they used? The entire Republican Party??
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jul 2018

I would think using illegally obtained information from a foreign government in order to undermine your political opponents in a forthcoming election would be a crime itself. And impeachable.

It could be many, many indictments...the extent of the treachery will shock and awe.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
26. Remember Steele in his
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:41 PM
Jul 2018

dossier mentioned millions of dollars from eastern Eourpe as well as DNC E-mails that were weaponized by or for some GOP consultant in Florida.

Another one to watch is Jason Chaffetz. In Utah the Stench is still hanging in the air.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
5. It talks about a Republican lobbyist from Florida, meaning it's likely
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jul 2018

a Florida candidate. My guess is either Brian Mast, Matt Gaetz, or Ron DeSantis.

Gaetz is currently my top pick because of his ties to Roger Stone, his unrelenting attacks on Mueller, and the fact that Trump out of no where praised him on twitter before the indictments dropped.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
15. I think it's Mast because...
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:44 PM
Jul 2018

of where his district is and who the hell has heard of him?! Talk about keeping your head down!

His primary opponent was also the subject of an illegal attack mailer just this week. He's no stranger to down and dirty.

I sincerely hope Pam Keith gets that seat!

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
27. He is my rep and there is not a bigger weasel on the planet.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jul 2018

It would make me very happy to that little rat get caught. He is so damn smug and self righteous. It would do a lot of people good to see him Frog Marched off to the pokey.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
33. The "state lobbyist and online source of political news" is Aaron Nevins of Florida.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:26 PM
Jul 2018

The indictment says, "then-registered state lobbyist and online source of political news" who received 2.5 gigabytes of data stolen from the DCCC, including "donor records and personal identifying information for more than 2,000 Democratic donors."

The WSJ reported last year on Aaron Nevins and this very thing.

Learning that hacker “Guccifer 2.0” had tapped into a Democratic committee that helps House candidates, Mr. Nevins wrote to the hacker to say: “Feel free to send any Florida based information.”

Ten days later, Mr. Nevins received 2.5 gigabytes of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee documents, some of which he posted on a blog called HelloFLA.com that he ran using a pseudonym.

Soon after, the hacker sent a link to the blog article to Roger Stone, a longtime informal adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, along with Mr. Nevins’ analysis of the hacked data.

Mr. Nevins confirmed his exchanges after The Wall Street Journal identified him first as the operator of the HelloFLA blog and then as the recipient of the stolen DCCC data. The Journal also reviewed copies of exchanges between the hacker and Mr. Nevins. That the obscure blog had received hacked Democratic documents was previously known, but not the extent of the trove or the blogger’s identity.

“I just threw an arrow in the dark,” Mr. Nevins said in an interview, adding he set up a Dropbox account so whoever was using the Guccifer 2.0 name could send large amounts of material. Later, going through what the hacker sent as someone who “actually knows what some of these documents mean,” the GOP consultant said he “realized it was a lot more than even Guccifer knew that he had.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-alleged-russian-hacker-teamed-up-with-florida-gop-operative-1495724787

The information he gained went to GOP Reps. Carlos Curbelo, Ron DeSantis and Brian Mast, from what I could tell last year when when this broke. None of them had to request information themselves because their surrogate had it in hand already.

I'll mention here, Nevins claimed last year he was not being investigated by the Mueller team after the WSJ story broke. I've not seen any comment from him (which I admit I may have missed) yet in regards to the indictment yesterday. To be fair, I'm sure he's busy getting his affairs in order.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
8. It's Brian Mast , Florida R. Rick Wilson said on Twitter he knew who it was and
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jul 2018

after prodding by his followers he said last name rhymes with vast. Has to be him.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
10. I keep telling people it's likely to be a congressman from Florida.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jul 2018

Mast, Gaetz, or DeSantis in order of likelihood. It's the Stone/Nevins connection. I would bet you anything it is one of them mentioned in the indictment. Most likely Mast.

BumRushDaShow

(128,856 posts)
12. Either Nunes or Rohrabacher if not the FL guy who had copies of the leaked Guccifer 2.0 files
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jul 2018

Ryan got what he wanted - the tax cuts for the wealthy but also found himself in the same position as Cheeto Boner when it came to dealing with the teabaggers. His leaving gives him ample opportunity to make lots of $$$ playing at being a "wonk".

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
14. Something tells me there is going to be multiple indictments of congressmen for
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:42 PM
Jul 2018

this sort of thing before this is over with.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
18. dont think it's ryan
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jul 2018

he might be aware of what’s happening but he is way too chicken for anything. Watch him leaving congress and starting to speak up against trump. they all do after they leave. But their worss dont matter, only votes do.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
19. Hard to say.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jul 2018

First, the indictment only says some republican running for Congress; it is possible they lost. However, it is at least equally likely they won. And when one considers the list of possibilities that raises, it is difficult to do more than speculate and hope. But we will find out, very soon.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
25. It didn't say congressman. It said candidate for Congress.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:36 PM
Jul 2018

It didn’t even say Republican, although it’s well believed Florida GOP operative Aaron Nevins is involved.

I’m telling you now, everything about Tim Canova, the DWS primary challenger, is screaming at me here.

Phony Democrat, meant to disrupt and divide, has since quit the party, has gone out of his way to dispute Russian involvement, is a guest on right wing radio shows and on RT, has pushed Seth Rich conspiracy theories and claims he was the email leaker, and most importantly stood the most to gain from any DNC email hack that could be used to embarrass his opponent who was the DNC chair.

Don’t discount Canova as the person.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
29. Well here's some Ryan info -
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:53 PM
Jul 2018
GOP super PAC linked to Paul Ryan used illegally hacked material against Democratic House candidates: report

The New York Times reports The Congressional Leadership Fund used info leaked by Russian hackers in campaign ads

DECEMBER 14, 2016 https://www.salon.com/2016/12/14/gop-super-pac-linked-to-paul-ryan-used-illegally-hacked-material-against-democratic-house-candidates-report/

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
30. Remember "I think Putin pays Trump"?
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:57 PM
Jul 2018

It takes one to know one. I get the sense that Ryan + dozens have corrupt connections to the RUS oligarchy.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
34. Don't forget how fast Jason Chaffetz slithered away the second he started seeing evidence in the
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jul 2018

house hearings.

Trey Gowdy would be another good bet.

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