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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:16 PM Jul 2018

Trump Is Colluding with Russia Now

July 14, 2018 at 4:57 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

David Rothkopf: “This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal not only in American history but in modern history. A hostile foreign power intervened in our election to help elect a man president who has since actively served their interests and has defended them at every turn.”

“Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.”

“That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As they seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU.”

New York Times: “Whether it is Russia’s interference in the election, its annexation of Crimea or its intervention in Syria, Mr. Trump’s statements either undercut, or flatly contradict, those of his lieutenants. The disconnect is so profound that it often seems Mr. Trump is pursuing one Russia policy, set on ushering in a gauzy new era of cooperation with Mr. Putin, while the rest of his administration is pursuing another.”

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https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/14/trump-is-colluding-with-russia-now/

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Trump Is Colluding with Russia Now (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2018 OP
A question I wish one of the polling places would add to their polls about Russian collusion Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #1
I have heard it referred as "out in the open collusion" BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #2
I've long wondered if that open and deliberate invitation calimary Jul 2018 #7
It is almost insulting that the he has the nerve to openly invite Putin BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #9
The Tower meeting plays a huge role in this MagickMuffin Jul 2018 #15
What's with the 12 senators who just visited Russia recently? Amaryllis Jul 2018 #3
I sure wonder as well. triron Jul 2018 #4
Whatever the reason, you know they were up to no good. Amaryllis Jul 2018 #5
Nato guss Jul 2018 #6
He's been bought. leanforward Jul 2018 #8
If there's evidence of criminality in his tax returns, why hughee99 Jul 2018 #10
Tax returns are private Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #11
Not true. former9thward Jul 2018 #12
I did not say only Mueller could do it. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #13
Yes, and I and the other poster asked a simple question. former9thward Jul 2018 #14
The DOJ doesn't "go after" people like some banana republic. They investigate crimes. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #16
So he has been investigated for "decades". former9thward Jul 2018 #17
It does if he has hundreds of shell companies Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #18
You seem to know more about this than the DOJ and the IRS. former9thward Jul 2018 #21
Golf Courses guss Jul 2018 #22
Exactly! In plain sight! Repubs aren't able to mentally process crimes committed in plain sight ecstatic Jul 2018 #19
Just thinking ...a normal person who was accused Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2018 #20
wow Exactly!! guss Jul 2018 #24
Toss in Fox News, the Republican Congress, and the NRA Generic Brad Jul 2018 #23

Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
1. A question I wish one of the polling places would add to their polls about Russian collusion
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:31 PM
Jul 2018

"Do you think the Republican congress has been successful at creating the false impression that the intelligence agencies are to blame rather than Russia for the attack on the United States?"

Something like that. Gotta educate these people!

Actually the GOP routinely spread false propaganda through polls. We should start spreading the truth through them.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
2. I have heard it referred as "out in the open collusion"
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jul 2018

since Mueller handed down the indictments. They showed that on the day he told Putin on live TV to get Hillary's e- mails the Russian Military Officials started that very same day! Mueller did this on purpose, perfect timing for Putin meeting..

calimary

(81,209 posts)
7. I've long wondered if that open and deliberate invitation
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jul 2018

trump issued to the Russians to find Hillary’s emails back on July 27th, 2016, was more than just an appeal. That clip is being played over and over now. Notice how “read-y” it is. From a script. Very “official announcer” style. It’s made me suspect that this was trump pulling the trigger to kick off the Russian hacking. That this was the way he telegraphed the green light to them. That they were waiting for some signal to start the rollout. And that loud, slow, very deliberate, and very direct statement was the signal.

I wonder if this was all worked out in advance. And why wouldn’t it be so? After all, once he gave the word, things sure started happening fast. Almost as though everything and all operatives had been all set up to hit the ground running once the formal go-ahead was given.

I find myself imagining phone calls going back and forth, making all the arrangements and putting all the key hackers in position, and he may have said something like “just watch my speech tonight. You'll know.”

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
9. It is almost insulting that the he has the nerve to openly invite Putin
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:06 AM
Jul 2018

to destroy our country and then act like it was all a funny joke and he wasn't serious. Crazy like a fox....he is the "crazy" and Putin is the "fox". Yet his deplorable cult kisses his treasonous ass. I never thought I would live to see any thing like this.

triron

(21,995 posts)
4. I sure wonder as well.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jul 2018

But one of the big beneficiaries of the Russian conspriracy, Ron Johnson, went there.

guss

(239 posts)
6. Nato
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:54 PM
Jul 2018

Trump wants NATO gone so does Putin.
hes Colluding with Putin to
Take over States not protected by Nato.
the Non NATO states are in a panic that they will be Annexed.
Why Would Trump Collude with Russia so Russia can take over states.
NATO can Hardly defend with out American Assistance non NATO members.
PUTan Trump Organization is trying to take over the world this is their shot.
Is this time to worry?

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
8. He's been bought.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:20 PM
Jul 2018

Started years ago. When will the SOC be able access his tax returns?

pRezident Orange has been laundering money for years and anything else on or outside the boundaries.

He is kowtowing to putin.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
10. If there's evidence of criminality in his tax returns, why
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

Wasn’t he prosecuted earlier for this? Was the Obama administration and the state of New York covering up for him?

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
11. Tax returns are private
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jul 2018

and a president is not supposed to go after a private citizen like the way Trump wants to jail Hillary. The IRS could audit, but a president can’t direct that process.

However, it is likely that Mueller has supboenaed his tax records pursuant to his investigation.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
12. Not true.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:03 PM
Jul 2018

Prosecutors can subpoena tax returns and the IRS can refer them to prosecutors. If there was evidence of illegality it would not have taken Mueller to do it. Obama's DOJ could have done it and the state of NY Ag's office could have done it. Why didn't they?

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
13. I did not say only Mueller could do it.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:07 PM
Jul 2018

I said a president is not supposed to go after political opponents to dig up evidence.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
14. Yes, and I and the other poster asked a simple question.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jul 2018

If there was illegality in his tax returns why didn't Obama's DOJ or the NY AG go after them? No one was stopping them.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
16. The DOJ doesn't "go after" people like some banana republic. They investigate crimes.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:27 PM
Jul 2018

And the DOJ has been investigating Trump for decades. His businesses are set up to hide sources. It takes years to unravel. But we’re almost there.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
17. So he has been investigated for "decades".
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jul 2018

No, the DOJ is not that dumb. It doesn't take "decades" to bring a criminal case on taxes.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
18. It does if he has hundreds of shell companies
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:28 PM
Jul 2018

most of which are overseas. But like I said, Mueller’s nearly done. He has a huge team and was able to untangle most of it.

guss

(239 posts)
22. Golf Courses
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jul 2018

A report on his Golf courses in Scotland lost 200 million dollars over the years.
In Scotland they have to report their Business portfolio every 2 years i think.
A business man would of cut that loss unless he had a solid income from somewhere.
Golf Courses is a money hole.
Its was shown that his Trump hotels in other country's could be a money laundering
operation.
A Russian Stole 3 billion I think it was that much. from a Russian bank
and that guy buys Trump property double for what it is worth.
and rents at an outrageous rate and buy ins.
and thru Trump organizations they clean it.
Trump takes a cut.

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
19. Exactly! In plain sight! Repubs aren't able to mentally process crimes committed in plain sight
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:44 PM
Jul 2018

for some reason. And trump knows that.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
20. Just thinking ...a normal person who was accused
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:49 PM
Jul 2018

of colluding with Russia would NEVER be involved with a secret meeting with the person you are accused of colluding with. Never. He does whatever he wants and Fox is there to spin it. CNN and MSNBC should start scrolling all his sins and lies 24/7. He is beating us. Dems silent. Need an outofthebox idea.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
23. Toss in Fox News, the Republican Congress, and the NRA
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jul 2018

And there are quite a few talking heads on CNN and Republicans at state and local levels also supporting this. And select Christian leaders. And the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. And the alt-right. And the Heritage Foundation. And Blackwater.

I could go on, but my fingers are getting tired from rage typing.

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