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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPretty sure Trump has significant scoliosis ... not that it matters all that much but ...
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I just realized it for the first time with all the pics from the UK recently. Big reason being, much to my chagrin, I have the exact same case, though not as severe (by the time I'm 70, if I live that long, it probably will be) ... but I have the same curvature where my left shoulder is distinctly lower than my right, so ... spine curves left.
Not only is the shoulder 'height' obvious when you look at Trump, but the way his tie always hangs shows it as well. Same happens to me.
Not a big deal, just kinda weird I just now noticed ... though my own resemblance to Trump is disconcerting ...
Sorry to show this guy, but ... just to illustrate what I mean ... his tie always hangs like that, though it's pretty pronounced in this shot ...
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Hope it hurts actually.
JenniferJuniper
(4,496 posts)God knows we are.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)left side ... if I sleep that way for too long, I wake up with a bit of an aching back. Need to sleep on my right side or flat on mah back pretty much.
malaise
(267,842 posts)I hope he lives long enough to get there.
exboyfil
(17,857 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)Well, something like that, just applied to tRump, not you. He does have a stance that indicates something is going on.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)John1956PA
(2,654 posts)From http://www.businessinsider.com/8-photos-of-donald-trump-in-high-school-2016-3?r=UK&IR=T#-2 :
This photo is purportedly of him during his high school days.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)John1956PA
(2,654 posts)For me, it is not a big deal, either. My thoracic spine has a slight curve, and my left shoulder is slightly smaller than my right. I have had this condition all of my life. It does not cause pain or impairment.
I have looked at recent photos of him on the golf course. I agree with what you have concluded. Of course, the condition does not bear on anyone's assessment of him.
SharonClark
(10,005 posts)other way?
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)If the left side is lower, the neck is off-center-body-line to the left, making the tie hang more to the left than the right.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)'twisting' to go along with the curvature is also common, as well as rib-cage changes, AND some people have an 's' curve rather than a 'c' curve, it's not always obvious when looking at clothed person which way the tie is REALLY hanging, left or right, because what you perceive is relative to how the clothes lie. But since his left shoulder is typically lower, I'd bet the curvature is to the left. There's also ways to tie one's tie to try to hide the condition.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)there is no way for YOU to know.
I was taking your prior assessment (curved to the left) to mean an S curve - with the S being in the normal orientation as we view it, as opposed to mirror image) - which would lift his right shoulder and lower his left.
That being the case, the top of the spine/base of the neck would be right of body center as we perceive it, and the tie would hang in what we perceive as (our) right of body center. His tie (assuming your review of his photos is correct - I haven't checked) is hanging (our) left of body center as we perceive it).
Now you're adding twists and other shape changes, which pretty much destroys your initial analysis that he has exactly what you have.
Do you really think, slob that he is, he is paying any attention at all to his clothes?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)which pulls my clothes 'leftward'.
I dunno what exactly he's got going on but his left shoulder slumps more that the right, if you look at just about any pic where he's standing straight up, take a post-it note and place it so it lines up with the tips of both shoulders, you'll see he's def. not 'level' for whatever reason.
Again not trying to make a big deal of it, I'z just surprised I JUST noticed after all this time, him and me have a similar thing going on ... and I don't like it
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)I have the same appearance - due to multiple muscle injuries on my right side (back injury that created a rigid permanent knot of muscles along the right side of my spine, surgical removal of the top rib on my right side severing muclse that were previously connected to the now missing muscle). I have no scoliosis.
The physical therapists who pointed it out to attributed it simply to bad posture. My assumption is that it is not inherently connected to scoliosis, or injury, or any other injury or deformity - or trained medical professionals would not have attributed it to bad posture.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Could be something else I suppose.
That said, Scoliosis is really just an abnormal sideways curvature (and possibly twisting) of the spine, it's not necessarily caused by some specific disease, so if your spine is curved abnormally ... you pretty much have it. Some cases are far worse than others, of course, and some may be caused by a particular disease or attributable to an injury.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)As I indicated. If it was curved, as you have noted, I would have scoliosis.
Shoulders at different heights/angles can be caused by things other than spinal curvature, including merely bad posture & muscular injury (and perhaps other things I don't know of).
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Would you also claim PM May has a neck problem and needs a brace?
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Unless it's pinned to his shirt or held down firmly by his coat, it hangs to the right. His left shoulder is almost always noticeably lower than his right, unless he's actively looking right.
Again, I have this same issue, and it's not a big deal ... but I know it when I see it in others.
He's got a spine curvature, aka Scoliosis. Notice beloe how much less shirt shows on one side vs. the other, and how the left shoulder is lower and 'slopes' more dramatically than his right. It's not just a moment in time. In his 'natural' posture, he always looks like this. It's also part of why his shirt always looks wrinkly. I'm tellin' ya ... I literally have the exact same thing going on (sadly), that's why I know.
Delmette2.0
(4,143 posts)Buttoning his jacket would cause one side of the lapels to not lay correctly. A good tailor could help him compensate for that so he could button his jacket.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)who diagnosed someone hed never even met.
And he was at least a doctor.
Silliness.
JI7
(89,182 posts)forum discussion.
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)Demovictory9
(32,324 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)
I wonder if he's had surgery? His wife and the three older kids have had cosmetic surgery, I believe. I noticed Theresa May had a more pronounced spine/back/shoulder condition. It was obvious when she walked - but I thought she carried herself and dressed so well it wasn't very noticeable.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)I notice he is a slob who wears ill fitting suits. Miraculously his jacket is buttoned in the photo though.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)I wonder if his doctor reports always come out so well because there are some things that would just be too traumatic for his doctors if they had to do the test.