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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:45 PM Jul 2018

Pretty sure Trump has significant scoliosis ... not that it matters all that much but ...

Last edited Sun Jul 15, 2018, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)

I just realized it for the first time with all the pics from the UK recently. Big reason being, much to my chagrin, I have the exact same case, though not as severe (by the time I'm 70, if I live that long, it probably will be) ... but I have the same curvature where my left shoulder is distinctly lower than my right, so ... spine curves left.

Not only is the shoulder 'height' obvious when you look at Trump, but the way his tie always hangs shows it as well. Same happens to me.

Not a big deal, just kinda weird I just now noticed ... though my own resemblance to Trump is disconcerting ...

Sorry to show this guy, but ... just to illustrate what I mean ... his tie always hangs like that, though it's pretty pronounced in this shot ...

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Pretty sure Trump has significant scoliosis ... not that it matters all that much but ... (Original Post) mr_lebowski Jul 2018 OP
I couldn't care if you paid me.... FarPoint Jul 2018 #1
Yep. Hope he suffers bigly. JenniferJuniper Jul 2018 #4
Word ... unfortunately (perhaps) I know from experience the only pain is when I fall asleep on my mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #6
I know a politician whose face is approaching the ground malaise Jul 2018 #13
We all knew he was a sick twisted f__k exboyfil Jul 2018 #2
That's because mr. tRump carries the burdens of his sins on his shoulders. RKP5637 Jul 2018 #3
Well, if so, they must be weighing much more heavily on the LEFT shoulder :) (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #7
He's a crook/crooked, so that might explain it some! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #8
Keen observation. Recent photos suggest that, but vintage photos not so much. John1956PA Jul 2018 #5
Usual onset is 10-20 yr old ... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #17
I agree with your conclusion. I, too, have the condition you describe. John1956PA Jul 2018 #26
Didn't you learn in medical school that his tie would lean the SharonClark Jul 2018 #9
My reasoning, as well. Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #15
Well, the thing is, since you end up judging it by the overall look of someones clothes and some mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #18
Based on what you are NOW saying, Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #21
My spine also twists slightly such that my left shoulder is also 'back' more ... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #32
Lol. cwydro Jul 2018 #20
Not necessariy - Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #10
Okay ... maybe it's not scoliosis, and it just appears the same as that ... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #16
My spine is not curved - Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #22
It is a snapshot in a single moment in time. Ilsa Jul 2018 #11
Exactly. greytdemocrat Jul 2018 #12
No no .. I'm not making this up. Look at ANY recent pic where Trump's wearing his long tie... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #14
That may also be why he doesn't button his jacket. Delmette2.0 Jul 2018 #31
I know. I remember DU laughing at a certain politician cwydro Jul 2018 #19
they were making laws based on it. this is just internet JI7 Jul 2018 #23
They both look like they are waiting for the fart to dissipate. Kaleva Jul 2018 #24
Trump "I have the best spine.." Demovictory9 Jul 2018 #25
Interesting... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #27
That is a keen observation GreenEyedLefty Jul 2018 #28
Its possible but he'd have to bend over for us to be sure and no one wants to see that. Squinch Jul 2018 #29
He's standing that way because his diaper is full. Vinca Jul 2018 #30
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Word ... unfortunately (perhaps) I know from experience the only pain is when I fall asleep on my
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jul 2018

left side ... if I sleep that way for too long, I wake up with a bit of an aching back. Need to sleep on my right side or flat on mah back pretty much.

malaise

(267,842 posts)
13. I know a politician whose face is approaching the ground
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:23 PM
Jul 2018

I hope he lives long enough to get there.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
3. That's because mr. tRump carries the burdens of his sins on his shoulders.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jul 2018

Well, something like that, just applied to tRump, not you. He does have a stance that indicates something is going on.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
26. I agree with your conclusion. I, too, have the condition you describe.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:17 AM
Jul 2018

For me, it is not a big deal, either. My thoracic spine has a slight curve, and my left shoulder is slightly smaller than my right. I have had this condition all of my life. It does not cause pain or impairment.

I have looked at recent photos of him on the golf course. I agree with what you have concluded. Of course, the condition does not bear on anyone's assessment of him.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
15. My reasoning, as well.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:31 PM
Jul 2018

If the left side is lower, the neck is off-center-body-line to the left, making the tie hang more to the left than the right.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. Well, the thing is, since you end up judging it by the overall look of someones clothes and some
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:11 AM
Jul 2018

'twisting' to go along with the curvature is also common, as well as rib-cage changes, AND some people have an 's' curve rather than a 'c' curve, it's not always obvious when looking at clothed person which way the tie is REALLY hanging, left or right, because what you perceive is relative to how the clothes lie. But since his left shoulder is typically lower, I'd bet the curvature is to the left. There's also ways to tie one's tie to try to hide the condition.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
21. Based on what you are NOW saying,
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:55 AM
Jul 2018

there is no way for YOU to know.

I was taking your prior assessment (curved to the left) to mean an S curve - with the S being in the normal orientation as we view it, as opposed to mirror image) - which would lift his right shoulder and lower his left.

That being the case, the top of the spine/base of the neck would be right of body center as we perceive it, and the tie would hang in what we perceive as (our) right of body center. His tie (assuming your review of his photos is correct - I haven't checked) is hanging (our) left of body center as we perceive it).

Now you're adding twists and other shape changes, which pretty much destroys your initial analysis that he has exactly what you have.

Do you really think, slob that he is, he is paying any attention at all to his clothes?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
32. My spine also twists slightly such that my left shoulder is also 'back' more ...
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jul 2018

which pulls my clothes 'leftward'.

I dunno what exactly he's got going on but his left shoulder slumps more that the right, if you look at just about any pic where he's standing straight up, take a post-it note and place it so it lines up with the tips of both shoulders, you'll see he's def. not 'level' for whatever reason.

Again not trying to make a big deal of it, I'z just surprised I JUST noticed after all this time, him and me have a similar thing going on ... and I don't like it

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
10. Not necessariy -
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jul 2018

I have the same appearance - due to multiple muscle injuries on my right side (back injury that created a rigid permanent knot of muscles along the right side of my spine, surgical removal of the top rib on my right side severing muclse that were previously connected to the now missing muscle). I have no scoliosis.

The physical therapists who pointed it out to attributed it simply to bad posture. My assumption is that it is not inherently connected to scoliosis, or injury, or any other injury or deformity - or trained medical professionals would not have attributed it to bad posture.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. Okay ... maybe it's not scoliosis, and it just appears the same as that ...
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:38 PM
Jul 2018

Could be something else I suppose.

That said, Scoliosis is really just an abnormal sideways curvature (and possibly twisting) of the spine, it's not necessarily caused by some specific disease, so if your spine is curved abnormally ... you pretty much have it. Some cases are far worse than others, of course, and some may be caused by a particular disease or attributable to an injury.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
22. My spine is not curved -
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:58 AM
Jul 2018

As I indicated. If it was curved, as you have noted, I would have scoliosis.

Shoulders at different heights/angles can be caused by things other than spinal curvature, including merely bad posture & muscular injury (and perhaps other things I don't know of).

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
11. It is a snapshot in a single moment in time.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jul 2018

Would you also claim PM May has a neck problem and needs a brace?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. No no .. I'm not making this up. Look at ANY recent pic where Trump's wearing his long tie...
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:15 PM
Jul 2018

Unless it's pinned to his shirt or held down firmly by his coat, it hangs to the right. His left shoulder is almost always noticeably lower than his right, unless he's actively looking right.

Again, I have this same issue, and it's not a big deal ... but I know it when I see it in others.

He's got a spine curvature, aka Scoliosis. Notice beloe how much less shirt shows on one side vs. the other, and how the left shoulder is lower and 'slopes' more dramatically than his right. It's not just a moment in time. In his 'natural' posture, he always looks like this. It's also part of why his shirt always looks wrinkly. I'm tellin' ya ... I literally have the exact same thing going on (sadly), that's why I know.


Delmette2.0

(4,143 posts)
31. That may also be why he doesn't button his jacket.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:04 AM
Jul 2018

Buttoning his jacket would cause one side of the lapels to not lay correctly. A good tailor could help him compensate for that so he could button his jacket.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. I know. I remember DU laughing at a certain politician
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:14 AM
Jul 2018

who diagnosed someone he’d never even met.

And he was at least a doctor.

Silliness.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
27. Interesting...
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:20 AM
Jul 2018

… I wonder if he's had surgery? His wife and the three older kids have had cosmetic surgery, I believe. I noticed Theresa May had a more pronounced spine/back/shoulder condition. It was obvious when she walked - but I thought she carried herself and dressed so well it wasn't very noticeable.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
28. That is a keen observation
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:23 AM
Jul 2018

I notice he is a slob who wears ill fitting suits. Miraculously his jacket is buttoned in the photo though.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
29. Its possible but he'd have to bend over for us to be sure and no one wants to see that.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:54 AM
Jul 2018

I wonder if his doctor reports always come out so well because there are some things that would just be too traumatic for his doctors if they had to do the test.

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