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Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

 

Jared Kushner will be indicted by summer's end. Discuss.

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Reply Jared Kushner will be indicted by summer's end. Discuss. (Original post)
EffieBlack Jul 2018 OP
bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #1
fallout87 Jul 2018 #2
Saguaro Jul 2018 #19
fallout87 Jul 2018 #22
Saguaro Jul 2018 #23
chillfactor Jul 2018 #31
SeattleVet Jul 2018 #32
EffieBlack Jul 2018 #35
fallout87 Jul 2018 #40
Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #37
Igel Jul 2018 #3
empedocles Jul 2018 #4
backtoblue Jul 2018 #5
dalton99a Jul 2018 #6
brooklynite Jul 2018 #7
EffieBlack Jul 2018 #8
Hortensis Jul 2018 #9
Takket Jul 2018 #10
Vinca Jul 2018 #11
Loge23 Jul 2018 #12
former9thward Jul 2018 #13
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #15
former9thward Jul 2018 #17
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #18
former9thward Jul 2018 #20
rockfordfile Jul 2018 #26
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #27
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #29
former9thward Jul 2018 #39
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #41
former9thward Jul 2018 #42
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #44
dumbcat Jul 2018 #25
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #28
NightWatcher Jul 2018 #14
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #16
peekaloo Jul 2018 #34
mcar Jul 2018 #21
UTUSN Jul 2018 #24
kennetha Jul 2018 #30
ecstatic Jul 2018 #33
Pachamama Jul 2018 #36
Me. Jul 2018 #38
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #43
sarcasmo Jul 2018 #45

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

1. I would love that, but do we have any evidence to back that up?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:50 PM

2. For?

 

What for?

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:24 PM

19. Same things listed in last Friday's indictment

 

Conspiracy to commit crimes against the United States

Conspiracy to launder money

The use of transferred money to commit crimes against the United States

Oh, and add in espionage as well. Isn't that what you get when you divulge classified information to foreign governments (particularly when you don't have the security clearance to view them in the first place)?

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Response to Saguaro (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:26 PM

22. i wish that happens, but

 

Rosenstein said in the last two indictments that no American citizens were involved.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:32 PM

23. I don't think that's what he said, but even if it was...

 

... we know that isn't even true, because the indictment explicitly said that "persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury" were involved, including an un-named congress critter. Also, we know Roger Stone was involved, because he basically admitted he was one of the mystery people discussed. Don't forget the number of Americans who have already plead guilty in previous indictments, as well.

So, you can be sure that Americans will be involved in future indictments. And I don't think any of us will be surprised at who they are.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:16 PM

31. I believe what Rosenstein said....

was no Americans indicted in these charges.....I am willing to bet Americans will be indicted down the road.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:24 PM

32. No Americans in *those* indictments...

but the groundwork is now in place to begin bringing charges against those that worked with, facilitated, and conspired with the Russians. Remember the infamous Tower meeting, and compare dates in the indictment to what we knew about. Add in the new information that we just learned from the indictments, and you have a very nice platter of 'gotcha' ready to be served to tRump's closest associates and family members involved in his businesses. The indictment does mention 'unindicted co-conspirators'.

I expect that it is going to start getting somewhat more exciting, and sooner rather than later. Mueller's team has been scrupulous in crossing each 't', dotting each 'i', and is now tightening the noose - mostly made from the rope that tRump himself so gleefully Tweeted out over the past 2 years.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:40 PM

35. He didn't say no American citizens were involved. He said they weren't charged in

 

those particular indictments.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:58 PM

40. He said there are no allegations that any American Citizens committed any crimes in this

 

Indictment. That's what he said.

So unless they have more Russian operatives to indict later on (which is possible), they aren't charging Americans with collusion of conspiracy yet.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:40 PM

37. The indictment itself states otherwise. n/t

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:10 PM

3. Labor Day?

9/21?

Northern hemisphere summer? Southern hemisphere summer?

Which year?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:18 PM

4. Kushner indictment will be explosive.

Seems like the next big thing is the Special Counsel's opening statements in the July Manafort trial. The trial statement focus, and it may be a bit narrow, of that statement may help in projecting Mueller timelines.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:21 PM

5. Extortion maybe?

His dealings with Qatar surely broke some major federal laws.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:23 PM

6. I suspect that all indictments will be out by Labor Day

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:24 PM

7. F you couldn't be bothered to, why should we?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:54 PM

8. Thanks for the kick!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:00 PM

9. It's believed going after immediate family would trigger

extreme behaviors in Trump. We know he reacts to challenges by doubling down, and this would be a strike at his core. So I'm going to guess neither son or daughter, nor Kushner, would be indicted before everything came to a head, whenever that might be.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:05 PM

10. i don't think so............

i have a hard time believing mueller would move on someone like kushner before the process of drumpf being removed from office has concluded. too dangerous to mess around with all the pardon business.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:09 PM

11. I agree. Junior, too.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:23 PM

12. I like to think so, but..

...I also thought the #IPOTUS would never happen.
Thing is, if the idiot in-laws and sons aren't indicted, then doesn't that erase much of the speculation as to how they colluded, not to mention the financial dealings that look crooked?
My primary thought on the investigation is that this is a very deep pool. I don't think that indictments will sway the cultists, but charges and convictions would sure be nice to see.
Summer's rapidly moving along. If the Special Counsel plans to wrap up before the mid-terms, we're getting very close.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:57 PM

13. He will not be indicted.

He had two interviews with Mueller. After those his security clearance was restored. That would never happen if things had turned up in the interviews or the investigation.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:15 PM

15. 6.12.2018 "Kushner security clearance limits his access to some U.S. secrets: Washington Post"

JULY 12, 2018 / 6:26 PM / 3 DAYS AGO

Kushner security clearance limits his access to some U.S. secrets: Washington Post
Reuters Staff
3 MIN READ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, does not have a high-enough security clearance level to gain access to some of the most sensitive U.S. government secrets, the Washington Post reported on Thursday, citing two people familiar with his access.

<snip>

Kushner has not been approved to see “sensitive compartmented information,” access to which is determined by the CIA, the newspaper reported.

That has blocked him from seeing some parts of the President’s Daily Brief, a highly classified summary of world events that sometimes describes intelligence programs and operations, the Post said, citing the two sources.

<snip>


The reasons for the curbs on Kushner’s access to intelligence were not immediately clear, including whether there was any relation to the ongoing investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into alleged Russian tampering with the 2016 U.S. election, the Post said. Investigators have looked at Kushner’s interactions with foreign officials.

More at link...

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:20 PM

17. He had no clearance before the interviews.

Now he has a Top Secret clearance after the interviews. The clearance does not allow him to see a few things but he can see almost all of it. He could not get that if Mueller signaled he would or might be indicted. And Mueller would. He would not allow someone to get a clearance who he was going to indict. It just doesn't work that way.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:23 PM

18. "Kushner had wide access to highly classified intelligence for the first year of the Trump admin"

From the same link:

“Kushner had wide access to highly classified intelligence for the first year of the Trump administration, even though he only held an interim security clearance as he waited completion of his background investigation, the Post said.”

Apparently CIA doesn’t trust him anymore for some reason.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:48 PM

20. If you believe Mueller would put his reputation on the line by letting a clearance go through

then good luck. Whatever makes you feel good!

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Response to former9thward (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:04 PM

26. I'm skeptical of Mueller still at this time. Something's not right

I'm skeptical of Mueller. I'm not one of those gee-golly-whiz folks.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:09 PM

27. What's not right about Mueller? Be specific

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Response to former9thward (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:14 PM

29. What makes me feel good is accurate information. In this case info on Kushner's security clearance

The information you provided was not accurate

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:55 PM

39. What was not accurate?

Please be specific. He was given his security clearance after being interviewed twice by Mueller. That is accurate. At least in the real world.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:04 PM

41. You wrote: "He had no clearance before the interviews"

You wrote: “He had no clearance before the interviews.”

That is inaccurate

From the article:

“Kushner had wide access to highly classified intelligence for the first year of the Trump administration, even though he only held an interim security clearance as he waited completion of his background investigation, the Post said.”

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Then you wrote: “He had two interviews with Mueller. After those his security clearance was restored.”

That is inaccurate as well. His wide access to highly classified access was not “restored”. There were restrictions placed on what he could and could not see.

From the article:

“Kushner has not been approved to see “sensitive compartmented information,” access to which is determined by the CIA, the newspaper reported. .”

“That has blocked him from seeing some parts of the President’s Daily Brief, a highly classified summary of world events that sometimes describes intelligence programs and operations, the Post said, citing the two sources. ”

—————

So what you posted about Kushner’s security clearance was inaccurate.

Please note this correction of your inaccurate info has nothing to do Mueller or his investigation.





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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:06 PM

42. Nope.

His clearance was removed. He had no clearance as I said. Then he had the two interviews and it was restored. Exactly as I said and not at all what you posted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/kushner-security-clearance-downgraded-n851746

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Response to former9thward (Reply #42)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:12 PM

44. Double down if you'd like. Your characterization was still inaccurate.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:02 PM

25. The newspaper is confused about clearances

and access. Two different things. Many (most) people with Top Secret clearances do not have access to SCI or SAP programs. It takes a higher level of scrutiny and a special need to know to get SCI/SAP access. Mostly the people who produce, analyze, act upon and package the intel for a political recipient, not the recipients themselves.

And, no, access to SCI is not "determined by the CIA." CIA is just one of many producers, I spent 30+ years in the field, and my access was never determined by the CIA. Mine was mostly by NSA and weapon system development program executives.

WAPO reporters don't really know what they are writing about. They just go with the last thing somebody told them.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:10 PM

28. Thanks for the clarification on access to SCI not being determined by the CIA

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 03:14 PM

14. I predict the next batch will be... Parscal, Stone, Cohen...

Brad Parscale, the guy who was his 2016 digital media director. (see Project Alamo).

While he is tied to Jared, Mueller will hold off on family till the end.

Roger Stone and Michael Cohen will go next, possibly with Sam Nunburg, and possibly Randy Credico.

Then they'll start matching trump team members with the indicted Russians that they've already indicted.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:16 PM

16. Good predictions! N/T

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:28 PM

34. Parscale would make me guffaw at ear shattering levels!

Isn't he the campaign manager for 2020? Something about that '60 Minutes' interview bugged me. Perhaps his smugness at being so social media savvy. Hmmmmm.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:10 PM

21. I'm so ready for a weasel perpwalk

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:35 PM

24. You're so correct about so much, may Zeus grant us your take now

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:14 PM

30. Trove of indictments of Americans coming by end of summer

I think Meuller is going to indict most of the American conspirators in one big trove, including possibly Trump. At a minimum Trump will be named an unindicted co-conspirator and recommended to the House for impeachment. He is not going to do them one at a time and give Trump and his posse a chance to escape via pardons. It's going to be a huge bombshell of a report, uncovering the most heinous crime against America in our entire history.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:26 PM

33. Yep. Him and Jr. nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:06 PM

36. Cambridge Analytica, Money Laundering, Conspiracy & working with a foreign adversary against the US

Maybe that's just a starting point....but I believe that he will be indicted by end of August and so will other members of the Trump family and Trump Campaign....


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:44 PM

38. Perfect

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:11 PM

43. That assumes Muller is still Special Counsel in 6 weeks.

I'm imagining Muller and Rosenstein will be out by August. Trump will repeat Putin's assurances that there was no interference. Hannity and Pirro will say the whole thing is a fabrication by deep staters. Trey Gowdy will summon Obama to congress and demand to know the damn truth about pizzagate.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:40 PM

45. Roger Stone before Jared.

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