"CBS Special Report"-- re Putin meeting. how dumbed down and filtered they have become.

[lostnfound]

You have to have a brain the size of a thimble to tolerate their comments. “Is it important that President Trump tell Vladimir Putin ‘you lied to me when you said you did not atrack our election?”.

“Yes the president’s own advisors have warned him of this.”

Just as intentionally ignorant and stupid as FOX. How can anyone believe that Trump is some innocent beneficiary of Putin’s meddling? You can convince American public of anything, apparently. I rail about the fact that the GOP congressmen aren’t getting consistently nailed for enabling or collaborating with Trump. But apparently the burning question is merely whether the TV will admit that Trump may have kind of, sort of, possibly had just a little bit to do with what happened. I think the answer is”no”.

We have state TV, and it’s not only FOX. And we have TV that is talking to people as if they were small children being told the simplest stories.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

1. Difference: CNN infotainment. But Fox is propaganda

CNN is motivated by profit. But Fox is motivated by electing Republicans to destroy govt and cut taxes on the rich.

I think it’s important to separate profit seeking infotainment— CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etc — from propaganda — Fox Limbaugh Drudge Breitbart.

[watoos]

12. With all due respect, I disagree.

The narrative is what matters, not the response to the narrative. CNN and MSNBC run the same narrative as Fox.

This is one reason that Democrats are afraid to speak out, they know that the M$M will turn on them.

The narrative should be illegitimate president, cyber warfare by Russia, impeachment; need I go on?

I have posted this example half a dozen times; the narrative is, does Obama beat his wife, Fox says yes, CNN says it needs more information, MSNBC says no. Now tell me, how are those 3 networks different?

[Roy Rolling]

20. In a media world

In the real world, there is an enormous difference between Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. It's all about narratives, as you say. Fox has a narrative, the other two do not. They are not paid for an ideological narrative as Fox is. If anything, their business model is to not have an ideological narrative.

[watoos]

23. What's the difference Roy,

whether they believe the narrative or not as long as they promulgate, repeat it?

The narrative doesn't even have to be an ideology, it can be one tiny, little word. Look around here on DU at the posts, look how many have copied the word "summit," just by doing that Trump gets a big boost.

Do you consider the Putin/Trump meeting a summit? Why is every news source calling it a summit?

How many times do msnbc and cnn show clips of Fox and then debate or refute what was shown?

[EndGOPPropaganda]

44. Yes yes yes. Rupert Murdoch is VERY different than CNN's owners.

Both are bad. But Fox is worse.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

43. Fox is different.

I distinguish CNN and Fox because their solutions are different.

CNN is responsive to profit motives. FOX IS NOT. Murdoch wishes to use Fox for propaganda.

That means we need to address them differently. Understand their motivations.

I know CNN is frustrating and terrible at times. Hell, I have told restaurants to turn off CNN because they elected the president.
But they are NOT Fox. The reporters there still care about the country and we have a hope of reaching CNN.

(We haven’t even discussed bothsideism, which is another fight. )

[EndGOPPropaganda]

2. "Willful, forced navet"

Link to tweet

[JI7]

5. this is the bs that hurts way more than fox and similar right wing

shit.

[Achilleaze]

9. They'd "rather pose as credulous dipshits."

There you have it. Well said.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Good tweet with great point

David Roberts
?Verified account @drvox

David Roberts Retweeted NBC News

This kind of willful, forced naivete is the *whole business model of the US political press* right now. The would rather pose as credulous dipshits than explicitly acknowledge the truth, because acknowledging the truth would mean doing things differently.

David Roberts added,

NBC News
Verified account @NBCNews
Analysis: As President Trump meets Putin, will we finally see "the art of the deal"?

[Ponietz]

21. "...*whole business model..."

Advertisers control the message. Bad for business to hold business to intellectual and ethical standards. Wish my vote was worth 3/5th of a corporation.

[Fred Sanders]

32. "Credulous dipsticks". Yep. Playing fiddle to the fire as the nation burns...and the all put gas

on the flames in 2016, as I recall.

And even now they feign outrage while avoiding the ultimate conclusion....

THE ELECTION was stolen...by a foreign power in collaboration with domestic political terrorists.

[The Wizard]

3. Republican think tanks

have figured out how to exploit the great dumbing down, appeal to the worst fears and lowest instincts. That combined with voter suppression is a winning formula for evil. In a global economy, education is not the enemy as Repubics want us to believe, it's the way to be competitive with the rest of the world.

[JI7]

4. its not republicans. it's cbs. nbc, cnn etc

yes. fox does their usual shit.

but it's the bs from those other networks which are the real problem.

[BlueJac]

8. spot on...

the press should be tearing up the enablers and liars. I feel we are fading away as a free country!

[malaise]

19. The problem is that the press are corporations

who also want ReTHUG money

[olegramps]

28. The press is controlled by how will it affect profits. Some more so than others.

Let us not forget how they allowed us to be taken in to a totally unjustified war in Iraq. In the aftermath they were all so apologetic about how the failed only to repeat the same scenario during the the 2016 election. They continue to fail us by not speaking out emphatically condemning this administration and calling for action. It has been one bizarre insane demonstration of idiocy that is being tolerated and at best minimalized. What will be the reaction of future historians to this catastrophe? The situation is not serious it is a exercise in pure insanity.

[malaise]

30. You mean the situation is very serious

right?

[olegramps]

35. Thanks, I meant it is not only serious, but an exercise in insanity to allow it to be tolerated.

[malaise]

36. I realized that

Good post.

[olegramps]

39. I doubt that I will be around to see the conclusion, but I am not optomistic at this point.

I am not able to do much any more, but I have been talking with some of my compatriots about how can we get the young people convinced that their very future is in jeopardy. The 2018 and 2020 elections are critical. One of my former congressmen is appealing to Roger Moore to take to the field since he enjoys a degree of high credibility with the younger people. Not as a candidate but a powerful voice for reason. It has shocked me the Moore has concluded the Trump will win the 2020 election as he situation now stands. I was credulous when he said that Trump would win in 2016 after Sanders entered and gained momentum. I won't elaborate. Past history.

[watoos]

14. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

for posting this. I have at least one person here who thinks like I do. I am not alone.

[NewJeffCT]

27. Too often they let Fox, Limbaugh, etc take the lead

and drive the news cycle.

[Fred Sanders]

34. Got that right! The Big Three are fascist colluders...their feigned indignity is far removed from

where they should be...outright hostility and fighting fascism tooth and nail...free press, we gave you that right to protect us all. Do your job, fuckers.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

42. It's both. Profit-first infotainment, AND GOP propaganda

Fox is propaganda. So is Limbaugh.

CNN and MSNBC are profit-first infotainment.

They are both bad. But propaganda is worse. And they have DIFFERENT solutions. Tell people to avoid Fox- you’re not going to change Murdoch’s plan. But tell people to be careful with CNN and understand their corporate bias. We are not going to make CNN go away. But we can make their management confront their problems.

[peekaloo]

6. It seems most of their correspondents are auditioning for one

of those "celebrity news" programs. Not real impressed with the new anchor Jeff Glor either.

I did actually witness Major Garrett (former Fox in the Hen House) call out Thump for statements that were "not true". Those moments seem to be few and far between as they now seem to be just a slightly elevated version of local tee vee news. Sad.

I don't remember where Cronkite was buried but I'm sure he's generating enough wind to power Martha's Vineyard for years.

[Achilleaze]

7. CBS news has been a total sellout. Journalism FAIL.

They have not even once on the evening news mentioned the Senate Intelligence Committee report. Not once.

Disgraceful. CBS news has become a deceitful shithole on the order of Pravda.

[cutroot]

10. Turn them all off. They are no longer reliable.

[nolabels]

16. I haven't watched that crap in twenty years

Most of the time (except when reading D.U.) I feel more informed than most

[cutroot]

40. I still tune into Rachel Maddow and Amy Goodman

Most of the truth comes from comedians now.

[nolabels]

41. We were so lucky to have Amy, listening to her for 35+years

Just think what it would be like if every reporter was as brave and smart as her

[Scurrilous]

18. ...

[Guilded Lilly]

11. The Media is and has been complicit to the destruction of our Democracy for a long time.

[watoos]

15. Your post

hits at the heart of the problem.

The latest example of the M$M following the same narrative; calling the Putin/Trump meeting a summit. Just use of the word summit, by all of the M$M, gives credence to the meeting.

[Initech]

17. "Trump may not be good for America, but he's good for ratings!"

Actual quote from CBS president Les Moonves - what liberal media?

[dalton99a]

29. +1

[Mr.Bill]

22. The news is all too often rich people

being paid by very rich people to tell middle class people that poor people are the problem.

[Perseus]

25. Can the media please stop pretending that the man-child will do something right sometime?

This is extremely annoying, to hear the media say "what the man-child should do is this, or this, or this"...the man-child has played the media and the American people so much, and always with the same result, why do people expect anything different? The man-child is corrupt, his minions from the GOP are corrupt, and believe me when I say that from now to November the destruction is going to be something no one in the USA has ever seen. As I keep saying, it took years to build the New York Twin Towers, it took one day (and of course a few more to prepare the attack) to bring them down. Anyone can destroy, creating something new, good, is much more difficult.

Whoever said that today's meeting is not a summit but the meeting of two mafia bosses is correct. Why do people think the man-child wanted a close doors meeting with Putin? Because he needs instructions on what to do to stop the Muller investigation, how to make his base think he is doing the right thing for them. This is what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela, he went to Cuba two ,three times a month to get instructions from Fidel Castro, then he went back to Venezuela to execute the orders, while taking some Cubans back with him to Venezuela, these Cubans being passed as doctors...they killed a lot of innocent patients because these so called doctors were not real doctors.

I am very concerned that people have the same attitude in the USA as people had in Venezuela when the same exact situation and the same actions were being executed there...everyone said "Communism? It can't happen here!", it did. In the USA the question is slightly different "Dictatorship? It can't happen here!", well it can and if people don't wake up it will be late, because unfortunately, those institutions (military, police) who swore to defend the country and its citizens can turn against the public if given enough incentives to do so. Let us not forget that Flynn is a military man, they are very corruptible.

WAKE UP USA, things happen faster than expected, and when the brick hits your head? well, it is too late, you are already on your back, on the ground, KOed.

[Turbineguy]

26. A control freak like Trump?

[duforsure]

31. The media are to blame

By showing over and over again his propaganda lies he and putin want promoted . They also refuse to directly confront him with why are you attacking Democracies everywhere, and then praising dictators everywhere. Why is he attacking our institutions , and why is he lying so much. They need to ask the real questions, have you committed treason against our country.

[calimary]

33. How far they've fallen!

I can still remember when CBS was widely regarded as “the Tiffany Network” -where the presentations were NOTHING BUT THE BEST. And that included their news coverage, not just their prime time lineup. Walter Cronkite IS spinning in his grave. William Paley too.

[KPN]

38. Mainstream media sucks. They are all about bottom line, not truth or journalism.

It's absurd that they try so hard to sound reasonable and rationale in the face of a totally irrational and power-crazy Administration, GOP Congress, and now SCOTUS.

By the way, stop using the term meddling. It wasn't meddling. It was an espionage attack and treason by Russians and Americans respectively.

Fuck the MSM.