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Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:49 PM

Do our intelligence services have a contingency plan for a treasonous president?

Haven't they spent the last 60 years developing contingency plans for every possible scenario they could imagine?
Certainly this one, where the elected president is an agent of a hostile foreign power, has to be in their files, right?

"We'd all love to see the plan"

Like soon. Like WTF?

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Reply Do our intelligence services have a contingency plan for a treasonous president? (Original post)
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 OP
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #1
LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #2
fleur-de-lisa Jul 2018 #3
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #11
NCTraveler Jul 2018 #4
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #9
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #14
Hekate Jul 2018 #18
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #19
Hekate Jul 2018 #22
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #23
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #27
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #28
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #29
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #24
NCTraveler Jul 2018 #35
tinrobot Jul 2018 #30
NCTraveler Jul 2018 #33
Thrill Jul 2018 #5
FreepFryer Jul 2018 #6
unitedwethrive Jul 2018 #7
marybourg Jul 2018 #12
Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2018 #15
unitedwethrive Jul 2018 #31
empedocles Jul 2018 #8
0rganism Jul 2018 #10
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #13
ecstatic Jul 2018 #16
Hekate Jul 2018 #17
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #20
Hekate Jul 2018 #21
Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #25
Zoonart Jul 2018 #26
haele Jul 2018 #32
Volaris Jul 2018 #34

Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:54 PM

1. Not sharing is caring. NT

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:55 PM

2. You can be sure they do. n/t

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:55 PM

3. The three branches of government are our only contingency plan.

The Founders never imagined two of the three would be corrupt.

Luckily, our allies across the globe have been on this from day one. There are volumes upon volumes of evidence against the traitors. As that evidence is made public, the republicans who haven't committed treason will start to turn away from Trump.

Do not despair. We got this. It will be painful and ugly, but the Repulbic will stand.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:25 PM

11. Nah. The legislature is unable or unwilling and

the judicial branch is in the same boat. That leaves Mueller out there as the only executive branch functionary doing anything.

This is outside our constitutional parameters if congress and the courts refuse to act.

It isnít clear that the republic will stand. Thatís the point.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:56 PM

4. What kind of contingency plan should they have?

 

Scope? Scale?

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:14 PM

9. Well I would think some sort of forced removal

would be one option, but I can think of many possible scenarios. What if donít see is any evidence that anything is being done.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:13 PM

14. If you are calling for a coup, you're a worse enemy than Trump. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:43 PM

18. Thanks. I keep saying that, but a small group of determined posters is really keen on the idea...

One fellow was pretty explicit about his desire for a military coup, and his OP survived several alerts. He got a lot of replies -- many of us fought back, but there was a cozy cell of folks in agreement.

See you on the hustings.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:57 PM

19. So hypothetically an asset of a hostile foreign government

has gained control of all three branches of our government and appears to be actively engaged in the destruction of the liberal democratic institutions that our constitution established, all as part of a plot to establish a fascist world order lead by this foreign government. In such a hypothetical situation it would be wrong for the military or the intelligence services to take extra constitutional actions to restore the republic?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:10 PM

22. Gazing out upon world history, I see no examples of coup d'etats that "restored" democracy.

Do you?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:17 PM

23. Sure. Portugal 1974.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:31 PM

27. The initial coup was followed by 2 more coups before there was eventually elections in Portugal.

Also they overthrew a regime that was essentially a one-party state for 40 years.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:00 PM

28. So basically you will re-adjust the requirements as needed.

There is also the now failed efforts of the Turkish military to protect their secular republic from various efforts to destroy it from 1922 until the collapse under erdogan

1990 Paraguay. The military overthrew the Stroessner dictatorship and restored the constitutional government.

Mali 1991.


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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:03 PM

29. I'm pretty sure we'll be having elections in November, there's no dictatorship here to overthrow.

Trump couldn't even get "Obamacare" repealed.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:19 PM

24. How did the US's intelligence services taking "actions" to intervene in other countries governments

work out?

If intelligence agencies have some bombshell info (recordings?) they could just release in to the Internet.

Also when in this hypothetical did a foreign government gain control over the Judicial branch (which keeps slapping
the Trump administration down)?




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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:38 PM

35. I would strongly opposed forced removal by the intelligence agencies.

 

As should everyone.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:06 PM

30. How about making the evidence public?

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:37 PM

33. +1 nt

 

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:58 PM

5. You better believe. No way in hell they're going to work

With Russia on cyber security. No matter what this dumbass President says

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:59 PM

6. Yup. (n/t)

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:00 PM

7. IF we survive Comrade Trump, you can be sure there will be many, many new contingency plans

The problem with the way our Democracy was set up...they didn't foresee a traitorous candidate in combination with tampering of the electoral system. The founders figured that the public would be smart enough not to elect a bad apple, but they didn't see that there could be factors beyond the control of Democracy.

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Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:46 PM

12. They did foresee the possibility

of a treasonous candidate. It was an era where treason was front and center. And they certainly didnít trust the public to sniff one out. What they did was to set up the Electoral College, consisting of the educated, politically-involved elite, to whom they entrusted the job of rejecting an unfit candidate. We all know how that worked out.

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Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:49 PM

15. Well, the public was smart enough not to elect the bad apple.

Everyone knows Hillary would have won if the election was decided by popular vote. Instead, the electors in the electoral college put Trump in power. Those electors were corrupt. The problem is the founders figured the public would NOT be smart enough to avoid electing a bad apple, but we are at a point now where the majority is educated and they can make decent decisions. The power to directly elect the president should be given to the people.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:45 PM

31. Couldn't agree more!

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:06 PM

8. During the 9/11 crisis

Military sent navy warplanes out to sea, to frustrate draft dodger Cheney's rabid, crazed orders.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:16 PM

10. i prefer to think the silence about the plan is part of the plan

the alternative is just pathetic.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:58 PM

13. Leak the details of the "treason" to the Internet? n/t

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:58 PM

16. Doesn't look like it... All we have are "norms"

Completely ineffective when a sociopath slips in.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:38 PM

17. All we have is the US Constitution with three co-equal branches of government...

So that's the contingency plan. Now, if one branch has been subject to a decades-long plan to be overtaken by Tea Partiers who have absolutely no clue about how government actually works (sorry: citizen politicians who have no clue) ... That is a problem, when what you desperately need is to have the House and Senate do their jobs.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 06:58 PM

20. One branch? How about three?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:08 PM

21. What do you expect the Executive Branch to do about the Executive? That's the POTUS, you know....

The House and Senate are the Legislative Branch. They are in constitutionally equal to the Executive, not his errand boys and lapdogs. They are in charge of impeachment, should they choose. There is currently a corrupt GOP majority in both Houses, hence my comment about them.

And so it goes. Unless at least a few Republicans wake up very soon, we are left with hoping for that Blue Wave in November. But even there, right now Stalin's ghost is counting our votes.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:23 PM

25. It is pretty clear the Republican Party is ok with fascism.

They arenít going to ďwake upĒ. They are on board with the fascist new world order. The legislature and the courts are not going to do anything.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:30 PM

26. Jill Wine-Banjs just now on MSNBC

TREASON,

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:13 PM

32. We'll, someone may have come up with a "Manchurian Candidate" plan.

Way back in the Cold War when there was a Commie under every bed, and the radical left was being demonized regularly among the intelligence community.
Who knows if it was any sort to effective plan - and if there are enough high level IC people that are willing to risk their post government careers to save the Country for not only "normal citizens", but the deplorables, single issue radicals, and the generally apathetic majority who don't care to understand what's going on.

Haele

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:38 PM

34. I bet they fucking will TOMORROW.

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