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Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:31 PM

 

I was a big fan, but Ocasio-Cortez is starting to get on my nerves.

I wasn't happy to hear she was going in to Kansas with Bernie Sanders to campaign against Lacy Clay, a progressive CBC member, but I'm furious that she's campaigning against Sharice Davids, a progressive gay, Native American woman.

I expect this from Sanders, but Ocasio-Cortez really needs to get some better advice and chill.


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:33 PM

1. I'm hoping these are rookie mistakes...but not encouraging. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:48 PM

53. Isn't there something inherently racist and sexist in the above accusations?

Maybe Cortez is following through with her pledge to "fight from the bottom" and is supporting candidates that are strong on workers' rights across the board – and not cherry-picking color/sex.

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:02 PM

62. "Rookie mistake" is inherently racist and sexist?

 

Seriously?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:06 PM

64. Rookie means a first year player

And has no fucking connection to racism nor sexism. Get a dictionary and a grip.

I totally agree with you

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:04 PM

104. Here Hear!

I agree with you too!

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:21 PM

75. How is "rookie mistakes" racist and sexist?

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:59 PM

103. Bill Clay is black. Sharice Davids is a Native American and Gretchen Whitmer is Jewish

and Ocasio-Cortez is campaigning against all three. How is Effieblack's criticism racist?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #103)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:55 AM

194. Black, Native American, Jewish white, Hispanic, black.

Just made me smile. We are America's races' party.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #103)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:24 AM

198. Good question

Effie's comment was clearly not racist

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #53)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:04 AM

123. Rookie what?

I have no idea what any of these candidates actually stand for and no one in this discussion has mentioned their credentials or platform. To make a case that Cortez is being sexist or racist because she is supporting a candidate who happens to be white is the very definition of prejudice. She has stated reoeatedly, and her work with Bernie Sanders reinforces this, that she's interested in PEOPLE's rights, WORKERS rights, and the best candidates to make change happen.

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #123)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:43 AM

131. Rookie (new to the game) politician.

And I never accused her of being racist or sexist. I just gave my opinion that she made mistakes, which I attributed to her lack of experience in politics. Hopefully I am right and she will correct course. But it does not look like she is making any corrections...

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #123)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:42 AM

208. The only person who has mentioned racist or sexist is you (unless I missed it somewhere?)

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Response to George II (Reply #208)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:22 AM

216. Choosing a person to be president "because she's female" is as sexist as doing it "cause he's male"

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #216)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:09 PM

327. And this is relevent to this particular discussion

how?

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #123)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:33 AM

239. Lacy Clay is one of the most liberal members

Of Congress.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #239)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:09 PM

246. That may be, but he's "establishment"

 

i.e., has been in Congress long enough to know how to get things done, so out he must go, no matter how liberal or effective he is ...

(Apparently, only one person is allowed to be around for more than 20 minutes . . .)

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #246)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:31 PM

272. This drives me insane .

He now has to waste time and money on.a primary when he could be campaigning for others or,heaven forbid ,do his job.

I just don't understand the run for the "new and shiny" when sometimes someone with a well.established record is exactly what we need. I'm glad to see I am not the only one angry about this.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:22 AM

353. You need to be able to let whoever back who they want in primaries

Or otherwise people will leave the party or not vote. This thread seems to be angry that someone is backing a different candidate yet I don't care who endorses a candidate in a primary I may not vote as much but would vote in a general election of course but we need all of our voices in a primary. Some are further to the right than some Republicans even in their own state. I have no opinion of this race just speaking generally.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:33 PM

2. I'm guarded about her. Seems like iffy people are whispering in her ear and they're

 

Not trustworthy. Her fundraising off the phony Crowley thing is just soooo wrong.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:42 PM

6. This, she seems like a great talent, but needs much better advisors and mentors...

They're booking her for interviews that she doesn't seem fully prepped for as well.

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Response to renegade000 (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:25 AM

159. AOC is a Brand New Congress Candidate.

Their campaigns are managed and directed by the organization. The political party with which the candidate chooses to run is not determined by that party's fundamental platform or ideology. (The organization considers itself to be post partisan.) The plan is to win by challenging "safe party" seats by running in the primaries of the party more likely to win.

Candidates are vetted by the group in several stages and must sign a pledge. Individual candidates do not have autonomy in how their campaigns are run, and the degree of assistance and coordination that they will accept from the local Democratic party (or Republican Party, if the BNC candidate is running as a Republican) is unclear.

What exactly do you mean by a single, unified campaign?

When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fund raise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.

snip========================================

How much say in the campaign will candidates have?

BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.


https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #159)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:43 PM

297. So basically Crowley was targeted by an outside organization

and ambushed by a well-funded campaign of dubious origin. Which is what it appeared to be from the first news about it. All of this is very interesting but also disturbing as I have personal memories of a similar organization that ran a similar candidate nationally in 1992. I'm not going to mention the organization, the candidate (who is still alive and whom I met at the time) or the Svenlgali behind the whole thing, as my post would surely be deleted, but it was very deceptive and this particular campaign is deja vu all over again.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #297)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:14 PM

303. The organization targeted incumbents in safe seats from both major parties.

This allowed BNC to take advantage of party resources and institutional expertise while still only having, at best, a marginal connection to the party itself. As BNC founder and director of communications Trent Corbin has stated:

Theo: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.


http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat

They've found a ballot access loophole, and they're exploiting it for everything it is worth. What BNC is neglecting to disclose, however, is that the infrastructure that the party has set up is funded by donations to the party, some of which come from corporations and superpacs.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #303)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:23 PM

307. See this is why I love DU.

So the whole "not a corporate candidate" line is a load of bs? I wouldn't call that cheerful news or even surprising but oddly enough none of the posters here singing her praises have gotten around to mentioning it.



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #303)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:30 PM

311. Well this is BULL.

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.

Broad brushing for his own agenda.. we've seen that before.

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Response to Cha (Reply #311)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:33 PM

313. Absolutely.

And I'm guessing this is not a position that would be endorsed by a majority of Democratic voters in Crowley's district.

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Response to Cha (Reply #311)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:25 AM

380. I love peeps connecting dots.

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #380)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:08 PM

398. I know, right! I almost

missed your post. I just happened see it when I was looking for a place to drop this..


flea

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #159)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:07 PM

318. Brand New Democrats was founded by Kyle Kulinski, who does not hide the fact that in 2016....

....he voted for Jill Stein.

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Response to George II (Reply #318)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:31 PM

319. And Corbin Trent who co-founded Justice Democrats

is also a co-founder of BNC.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #319)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:41 PM

321. And both are/were affiliated with TYT, who has no qualms about where their money comes from.

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Response to George II (Reply #321)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:46 PM

323. Orwellian..

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others".

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:42 AM

137. it might not be so phony

Vote Joe Crowley, for Working Families

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hurts the party, Congress and even America.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231

By Joe Lieberman
July 17, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party. It doesn’t have to. Because the policies Ms. Ocasio-Cortez advocates are so far from the mainstream, her election in November would make it harder for Congress to stop fighting and start fixing problems. Thanks to a small percentage of primary votes, all of the people of New York’s 14th Congressional District stand to lose a very effective representative in Washington.

Fortunately, Joe Crowley and the voters in his district can prevent this damage. On Election Day, his name will be on the ballot as the endorsed candidate of the Working Families Party. But for Mr. Crowley to have a chance at getting re-elected, he will have to decide if he wants to remain an active candidate. I hope he does.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose platform, like hers, is more Socialist than Democratic. Her dreams of new federal spending would bankrupt the country or require very large tax increases, including on the working class. Her approach foresees government ownership of many private companies, which would decimate the economy and put millions out of work.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t speak much about foreign policy during the primary, but when she did, it was from the DSA policy book—meaning support for socialist governments, even if they are dictatorial and corrupt (Venezuela), opposition to American leadership in the world, even to alleviate humanitarian disasters (Syria), and reflexive criticism of one of America’s great democratic allies (Israel).

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Response to Post removed (Reply #139)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:54 AM

140. He and others are trying to get Crowley to actively run on that 3rd party ticket to block her

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Response to Celerity (Reply #140)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:57 AM

142. That's not Crowley's doing, is it. He conceded for fucks sake.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #142)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:52 AM

183. Yes. I look forward to his opinion piece in WSJ rejecting Lieberman's suggestion and

encouraging ppl to vote for Ocasio Cortez.

I know how hard it is for him to take himself off the WFP line, but it wouldn’t be that hard to write a piece saying thanks Joe, but please don’t vote for me, I’m not running and fully support the Democratic nominee.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #183)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:53 AM

193. ...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #193)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:29 AM

200. That's great for people that follow him on Twitter. But still think he could do more han tweet to

people on Twitter who are following him. Especially after LIEberman’s piece in WSJ. Would be a great place to say support Ocasio Cortez not him. That would be much clearer to the people he rejects LIEberman’s suggestion and show his support of the Dem nominee.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #200)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

214. Here's a guess: the average voter in his district doesn't read the Wall Street Journal

None of the local papers are carrying this story. This is political news for people who focus on political news. In other words, not ordinary voters.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #214)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:49 AM

223. Yes. All possible. But he could actually enthusiastically

support Ocasio Cortez or even make a vehement rejection of Lieberman suggestion. Not I’m not running. But don’t vote for me - vote for OC. Will he?

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #200)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:17 PM

305. If he should do more, what do you suggest?

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #183)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:39 AM

241. You trust the Wall street Journal to tell you what to think? That's a huge problem.

 

They are major shit stirrers and will do whatever it takes to divide Dems.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #241)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:45 PM

250. Where did I say that? Lieberman's piece was in WSJ. So Crowley's rejection should be too.

If he wanted to reach those people.

Agree there are plenty of shit stirrerstrying to divide Dems. Probably disagree on who those are. But whatever.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #140)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:59 AM

172. What others?

I live in the area and am active in the state party. I haven't heard that, and I'm not seeing it here in NY.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #172)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:42 AM

356. was talking mainly about some posts on here

See this thread for instance. Lots of 'right up to the line' positing, in the OP and some of the replies.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210889876

such as

Ocasio-Cortez got 15,897 in the primary. That's around 57.5%. Still, Crowley could fairly easily break even with Democrats in the General Election and then pick up more than 50% of independents, he can probably pull it off. I think I'm being generous giving Ocasio 50%. She easily could end up under water.



Her recent actions may cause him to, I am sure that he has people asking him to. People that sat out the primary get a second chance and she has built up some hard recent feelings.




He can win and change back to Dem. That happens some. Bernie runs in the Dem primary in Vermont, win it, then run in the General free if a democrat.


Ocasio-Cortez has made some really bad recent decisions. I am sure there are people asking Crowley to rescind his pledge not to run, and if he does, given recent events, few would blame him.



That all said, I do see that Crowley is NOT playing ball with this at all, so hopefully there will not be any further issues after Liebermans's pop-off.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #140)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:51 PM

289. Link? Or is this more of the losing strategy of attacking Democrats.

Crowley is a Democrat, so he is not 3rd party.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #289)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:52 AM

358. If he WERE (he said he isn't) to actively run on a 3rd party line, that is a 3rd party challenge

There was a primary, the people chose, so to go back for multiple bites at the apple is a waste of time.

Bernie runs in the Democratic primary, then flips back to indy when he wins. I have seen here, in my short time that people hate this, but he runs against other Democratic candidates only in the primary, just like Crowley ran against AOC in the primary.

Its bad precedent to start splitting up the votes and trying to re-do legit Democratic primaries in the general. If this became commonplace say hello to to a 275 or 300 plus seat Republican caucus in the House and 70-30 plus Republican majority in the Senate within 4 to 6 years.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #358)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:47 AM

374. Someone who runs as a Democrat to keep competition out but then switches

to Independent intentionally doesn't really have much leeway to judge others or establish "precedent" for others except to admit that they use the system for their own benefit. I bet there are plenty of good Democrats in Vermont who are electable and could do a great job, but the adaptation started by Sanders' apparently works there.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say that an Independent elected can't switch back to Democrat after an election, and Crowley is known in his district, so it's not like a Democrat won't be serving. Plus, he is not doing it intentionally like Sanders. It was circumstantial from a leftover endorsement by the WFP. This is much ado about nothing.





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Response to R B Garr (Reply #374)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:05 AM

377. I never said I agreed with Sander's scheme, and he hardly is 'blocking' anyone

as anyone can run against him in the primary. Sanders is also a member of the Democratic caucus in the Senate (as he was in the House) and votes with the Democrats more than all but a few actual Democrats so other than a label, I see little to quibble over. IF Sanders ran and lost in the Democratic primary and THEN ran as an Indy or 3rd ticket, I would not be happy at all, but he has not done that. That would a Joe Lieberman move, who ironically is the one calling for Crowley to do just that.

To be clear here, I am not a Sanders supporter, and I hope he doesn't run in 2020, but I will stick up for the right of AOC to not be sore-losered. New York voting laws seem pretty bad to me, and need to be fixed to avoid all this crap. I do not live there (SoCal LA girl here) so it cannot be people like me who can do this.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #377)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:24 AM

379. If it is not a label distinction, then Sanders' would run as a Democrat and remain

a Democrat, but he switches labels. Obviously he sees some benefit in distinguishing himself as an Independent, so saying it doesn't matter is wrong because it does matter to him, which is why he switches.

Crowley was a safe seat in a Democratic district, and it was Cortez who challenged it. Obviously we see some of the unanticipated blowback or quirks from what can happen when you want to primary safe districts. This is a quirk that can't be blamed on someone intentionally trying to "sore loser" her. She is also out actively campaigning against other safe seat Democrats, so her concern over having competition herself is rather specious.

Let's be real here, too. Crowley made a pledge that he would endorse her if he lost, but she made no such pledge in return. She said she would have to consult her group of New Congress or some such name to decide. So there's no real reason to slam Crowley anymore. It looks like Cortez is getting a lesson in the reality of politics.

I know what you mean about New York politics. It is very confusing. I have learned a lot from the posts of lapucelle and George II who live there and can give us more info on some of the quirky things we are seeing.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #137)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:55 AM

141. Big Mistake to pay any attention to anything

that Idiot Joe Liberman says.

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Response to Cha (Reply #141)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:15 AM

144. Ignore him and his affiliated center right PACS (they also endorse and support Republicans)

at your own peril.

He and they already had a substantial material impact in a major Illinois race, where they pumped in over one million dollars to push anti-immigrant, anti LGBTQ, pro life Dan Lipinski over Marie Newman, who had the backing of many powerful mainstream Democratic PACS, such as EMILY'S List (one of their very few primary losses), March On, MoveOn.org, NOW, Indivisible, Planned Parenthood, Illinois Federation of Teachers, SEIU, National Nurses United (the largest nationals nurses union)Feminist Majority,NARAL, The Human Rights Campaign, etc.

These PAC's affiliated with Lieberman and his ilk have pledged to dump in at least 50 million dollars into primary races, with a good chunk of it going to so-called 'moderate' Republicans. Many of the Democratic candidates they endorse (Lipinski being a perfect example) fundamentally disagree with significant parts of our Democratic party's overall platform.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #144)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:08 AM

173. AOC's PAC Brand New Democrats is running an Independent

in the GE in Tennessee. What Lieberman associated PACS are you talking about?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #173)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:14 AM

352. here

Bipartisan ‘No Labels’ group’s super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/bipartisan-no-labels-2018-super-pac-network-chicago-donors/

With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.

One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS don’t link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.

The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. These super PACs are stockpiling money for “independent expenditures,” which cannot be made in coordination with the campaigns or candidates the super PACs are trying to help.

Representatives of No Labels did not respond to calls and emails from the Sun-Times asking for comment. At one time the organization was not so mysterious about its political plans for this off-year election. In December 2016, No Labels announced it wanted to raise $50 million for super PAC giving to what it considered centrist contenders running in 2018.

Since then, No Labels has been appealing to mega donors from both parties.

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Bipartisan 'No Labels' group aims to protect moderates in primary fights

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/380030-bipartisan-no-labels-aims-to-protect-moderates-facing-primary-fights

The bipartisan No Labels group is looking to expand its fight for political moderates to more than a dozen primaries this year after being emboldened by Rep. Daniel Lipinski’s (D-Ill.) primary victory last week. No Labels is planning an aggressive effort to spend tens of millions of dollars to protect moderates in both parties from primary challenges, in an attempt to give incumbents incentives not to cater to the party grass roots who typically dominate primary contests. No Labels says its fight to save moderates in both parties is vital to combatting Washington gridlock.

“Most people in Congress don’t care what most people think. What they care about is what is the narrow slice of their primary voters — which, for about 9 of 10 Congress-people, is the only election that matters — what do they think?” said Ryan Clancy, the chief strategist at No Labels. “Until the center gets some political organization, until it has some capacity to fend off the influence of the extremes on both sides, there’s no realistic way out of this mess.”

Lipinski, a Blue Dogs co-chair and staunch opponent of abortion rights, has often clashed with his caucus on issues like ObamaCare and the DREAM Act. Lipinski barely won his primary on Tuesday night after a strong challenge from Marie Newman, a first-time candidate who was backed from the left.

A coalition of major progressive groups like MoveOn.org, Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America joined in to spend more than $1.6 million to paint Lipinski as a “Democrat-in-name-only” and build out an effort for Newman on the ground. The group’s ads compared Lipinski to President Trump, highlighting Lipinski’s votes against benefits for same-sex marriages and against allowing abortions in cases of rape and incest.

No Labels countered with a nine-month, $1 million effort boosting Lipinski through its allied super PAC, United for Progress. The super PAC spent money on voter targeting, placed media, mailers, digital ads and a get-out-the-vote campaign, according to Federal Election Commission filings.


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What Election Is Joe Lieberman Watching? The centrist fantasies of his glib, nonpartisan No Labels group aren’t the cure for today’s angry politics. They’re the target.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/no_labels_centrist_fantasies_are_the_problem_not_the_solution.html

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Response to Celerity (Reply #352)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:46 AM

373. Is Keith Ellison still a member of No Labels?

Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 08:24 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katenocera/hard-right-and-hard-left-flock-to-no-labels

Lynn Sweet's article is (as usual) an excellent primer on the superpacs related to No Labels and the unfortunate affect that one superpac's spending had on the IL primary. Voters want to know who is spending money on which political causes. That's why so many people are troubled by dark money groups like Our Revolution.

The 2016 Slate article is an interesting opinion piece; however, although Newell has expressed his disdain for third party voters and "never Hillary" non-voters, he has insisted that neither Jill Stein nor James Comey (or a combination of the two) tipped the race in Trump's favor. Your linked article concerned the 2016 presidential election and the author's skepticism that collegiality in Congress was either possible or even desired by an increasingly polarized electorate.

As for the article in The Hill, it's author is certainly not above stoking division and third party fervor. I guess that's one way to get your opinion glanced at and register those register those revenue generating clicks.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289859-third-party-support-surging

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/318354-green-party-blasts-dems-on-devos-confirmation

Unlike Brand New Congress, United for Progress Inc. is not a pac; it's a superpac. As such, it cannot require signed loyalty pledges from individual candidates. Nor can it require that the candidates it micromanages relinquish individual control of their own campaigns to the collective.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #373)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:46 AM

375. Their website says he is no longer a member.

https://www.nolabels.org/leaders/



That article you posted was from 5 years ago, long before they started going after people in the 2018 races via their umbrella groups of dark money gathered from a bi-partisan base of high wealth donors.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #375)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:02 AM

376. Well thank goodness for that!

He probably has enough work ahead of him trying to hold the House Progressive Caucus together if Brand New Congress manages to elect its candidates. Just what we need. A Brand New Version of the Freedom Caucus. Keith must be thrilled

The current CPC, made up of 78 members, is too amorphous to act as a united bloc, which saps it of its strength, Ocasio-Cortez argued. It’s the same rationale that conservatives who built the powerful Freedom Caucus three years ago used when they broke away from the larger Republican Study Committee, the GOP equivalent of the progressive caucus.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/ocasio-cortez-advocates-for-progressive-sub-caucus/index.html

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/397244-ocasio-cortez-floating-progressive-sub-caucus

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #376)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:12 AM

378. Keith Ellison is leaving Congress so he wont be holding anything together

I am far more concerned about the Republicans than a bunch of intramural infighting in our Party. It hurts us as a whole. The Republicans manage to keep themselves together whilst we do circular firing squads.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #378)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:04 PM

381. By circular firing squad

do you mean organizations like Brand New Congress who primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts rather than take on weakened incumbent Republicans who we are working to unseat?

We could use some help here on LI where we have two excellent, dynamic, young Democratic candidates trying to flip Peter King and Lee Zeldin's seats. It would be great if a young Latina congressional GE candidate joined us one of these weeks in front of Rep. King's office for one of our regular anti-family separation rallies.

But alas, our candidates have not pledged fealty and relinquished control to the BNC collective, and they are well past battling other Democrats for a place on the ballot other Democrats (the congressional GE season has been upon us in NY for a full four weeks), so our Democrats are not eligible for support from BNC candidates.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #381)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:50 PM

385. primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts rather than take on weakened incumbent Republicans

I think we can do both, and the reason we have primaries is to give people a choice on who they want to represent our party and themselves in Congress. If a person, any person, including sitting Congress people or candidates who are running feels as though a candidate in a primary is to their liking more than another, than they are free, by all means, to go ahead and support that candidate. That is how democracy works. I support people I like and think will do well, others may agree or disagree.

You mention Peter King's opponent in the general. Her name is Liuba Grechen Shirley, and she was and is supported by the progressives, including a Bernie Sanders related group.. She beat DuWayne Gregory by a pretty wide margin.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/congress-primaries-long-island-1.19430375

In the Second District race, both Democrats have won progressive support, although Gregory is the preferred candidate of the county Democratic Party. Ron Widelec, a steering committee member of the Long Island Activists, which was formed by Bernie Sanders supporters, said the group endorsed Grechen Shirley as more closely tied to the grassroots groups.

“We are trying to use primaries to push more progressive candidates because the party doesn’t seem willing to support them” except in races that Democrats aren’t expected to win, said Widelec
.




Our party is a big enough tent to contain all types of members, and each district or state is different, so may the best person win.

We don't have a feudal nobility system where people are granted political power for life. Incumbents get primaried all the time. Sometimes (in fact most times, in large percentages) they win again, sometimes they lose.

As for AOC and separated families, I think she is already doing a lot in terms of this. I really like her, so do almost all my friends in my age cohort, and she is around my age as well, (she is 5 years older) and energetic, charismatic, I like a lot of what she stands for in terms of her platform. I identify with her as a fellow woman of color. I love the fact she is also a Democratic party member like I am, and soon (hopefully!) in our Congress.


Here is just one of dozens of immigrant-separation related things (here she went to an actual camp in Texas) she has done and is doing.

Candidate for Congress visits Texas tent city, wants to abolish ICE

https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-Texas-abolish-ICE-camp-13030481.php#photo-15758187









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Response to Celerity (Reply #385)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:50 PM

387. Thank you for your kind remarks about Liuba. I'm workng for her campaign. N/T

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #387)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 03:40 PM

392. great! I hope she wins and beats that horrid racist King

She surely will have the support of the more left leaning side of the progressives as well.

https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/liuba-grechen-shirley/


I just looked into the 1st district

Perry Gershon sounds really great too and seems to be running as a progressive. I confess to not knowing so much about this as I am on the other coast from NY (LA).

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/first-congressional-district-democratic-primary-1.19330994

Gershon has said he could inspire more enthusiasm among Democratic voters because of his willingness to criticize Trump. He also criticized Browning for declining to back a single-payer national health insurance system, such as Medicare for All.

Browning said her position is based on her experience growing up in Northern Ireland, where she said her sister almost died waiting for a medical procedure under the nationalized health care system.

Gershon, 56, an East Hampton businessman, said he can unite the Democratic base after the primary while appealing to moderate Republicans and independents attracted by his private sector experience. “I can energize progressives and drive turnout, and capture crossover voters,” he said.


seems (from cursory glance) like the best Dem won. Maybe you have more insight.

I certainly don't see anything so far why a progressive organisation would be against him.

I would love to know more about that primary.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #392)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:06 PM

396. We're very organized, we work hard for all our elections,

and we take nothing for granted.

The Trump "tax cuts" hit Long Islanders hard. We pay high property taxes and a state income tax as well. Those taxes used to be deductible from federal income taxes, but they no longer are under the new tax code. People here are angry enough to boot even long term incumbent Republicans.

We flipped my county blue last year with a slate of young Democratic women. One is holding a town supervisor office that hasn't been held by a Democrat in over 100 years...and it's no small town. More people live there than in the state of New Hampshire and the city of Seattle.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #137)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:22 PM

258. whatever piint you were trying to make

Joe Liberman was a poor choice to make it. That guy did more damage the democrats than Sanders ever could.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #258)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:09 PM

386. I know, that is why I exposed his center right PACS and their shenanigans in further replies

downthread. I posted thsi reply (the one you responded to) to show that there were actual high powered people urging Crowley to run against AOC on a 3rd party challenge, as many seem to think the idea was simply made up out of whole cloth and imagination.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #137)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:20 PM

294. That Lieberman is a snake.

Anyway, Crowley conceded. He sang Born to Run.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:35 PM

3. I agree.

I was very excited, but now I suspect she’s getting some bad advice. I can hardly wait for her to go to work though.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:38 PM

4. WHY IS SHE DOING THIS campaigning against Sharice Davids, a progressive gay, Native American woman.

I think she should mind her own business and campaign in her own state.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:23 PM

76. I seriously thing this is not her idea.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:46 PM

96. I agree

She needs to focus on winning her seat, especially with Crowley now potentially splitting Dem votes.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:40 PM

5. I think she's too enamored of the fawning press she received

after winning the primary.

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Response to onenote (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:28 PM

37. A bit surprised by her appearance on Colbert after her victory, but chalked it up

to her excitement at time. Hope she stays focused. I know she’s supposedly in a safe district, but still.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:44 PM

7. She better get her shit together quick!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:46 PM

8. she needs better advisors, too new to this

I’ll give her a benefit of the doubt. This is not the time to bash dems including cortez.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:02 PM

61. Criticism is not always bashing, and to me this looks like criticism.



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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:47 PM

9. Can Ocasio-Cortez learn about all the candidates she's stumping for

in so short a period?

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Response to oasis (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:20 AM

174. The same PAC is running all their campaigns.

Brand New Congress functions as a monolith.

How much say in the campaign will candidates have?

BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.

All candidates pledge to run the same , unified campaign.

What exactly do you mean by a single, unified campaign?

When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fund raise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.


https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:47 PM

10. I have a feeling she doesn't really understand what a congress person does.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:07 PM

67. She worked in Ted Kennedy's Boston office.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #67)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

77. Not his Washington office, however.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:43 AM

150. At at most 19 years of age

as what a gopher?

Ocasio-Cortez - 28 years old age in 2009 18 to 19
Ted Kennedy deceased since 2009

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:27 AM

199. AOC may be hurting her district

AOC is burning some bridges and this could hurt her with respect to committee assignments

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:49 PM

11. People here make some good points.

This might be a case of Our Revolution "rushing a prospect," as the baseball term goes.

They got so excited over the high-profile win and her star potential that they just threw her into the majors immediately.

In baseball, this usually is avoided because it almost never goes well for either the team or the player's career.

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Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:55 PM

18. Yeah, that race really isn't a good look...

Hope Sharice Davids pulls it out!

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Response to renegade000 (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:44 AM

170. Welder had been working with OR Kansas for a year.

He worked for that endorsement behind the scenes.

It's more of a case of Our Revolution not actually looking at other candidates but rather going with the Sanders crony. The guy who worked on Sanders' campaign, who wasn't even born in the state, and whom saw a seat that was flippable and decided to run for it.

This is more them using their "rising star" to help promote their crony pick. It shows that she doesn't have her own free will to support a candidate.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:51 PM

12. She is controlled by Nina Turner.

I have been over her for several days. She has made several really stupid decisions.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:17 PM

116. Ugh, really?

I really think she should not campaign against Gretchen Whitmer.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:52 PM

13. I see her as a divider

I have no use for her.

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Response to nini (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:16 PM

114. +1000, I saw that right away. From the campaign ad

posted here.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:53 PM

15. The fact that she gave Glenn Greenwald an interview was enough for me to be cautious of her.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:56 PM

19. Wait what? She did?

That’s a complete deal breaker for me.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:16 PM

25. sadly she did, but since she was an outsider and wasn't getitng many MSM attention.

I could see how desperate she was to get her name out there before winning the primary.

That Greenwald continues to this day to report, Russia didn't interfere with our election. I can only hope she doesn't listen to him.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:21 PM

29. Oh. My. God.

Unfucking believable. She thought that this would be a good thing?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:28 PM

38. Honestly can't figure it out, so I land on desperation.

I'm trying to move past the '16 primary divisions. So I'll give Ocasio-Cortez the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:37 PM

46. Greenwald?

I am well past 2016. This is 2018 and we have a traitor in the WH and she interviews with Greenwald? She thinks this is a good way to get rid of him. Tell me why?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:51 PM

55. Couldn't tell you what she thinks.

Just hope she can see her mistake and be best.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:51 AM

211. Agreed.

thanks, rogue emissary.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

86. +1000

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:25 PM

34. I think, I hope, going forward she will catch a clue

That running with the OR playbook is ultimately counterproductive. Greenwald is a huge, huge negative for me, because it doesn’t take much research to expose him for the disgusting little creep he is. It tells me she is limiting her information resources. I believe this will change as she gets into congress. It has too, or she will lose all effectiveness.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:36 PM

45. "limiting her information resources."

Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)

That's my worst fear about her.

Hopefully, she'll find a rep or senator to mentor her. Guide her and help her set standards of who she'll grant an interview. Hell, Bernie was smart enough to stay away from Greenwald.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:29 PM

40. She also went on the Jimmy Dore show.

The alert brigade on DU in full force, so you have to be careful what you say now, which is typical. But, yeah. Not hard to draw some conclusions.

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Response to kcr (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:40 PM

49. The little I've read about Dore on DU. I'm not surprised, just hope she makes smarter decisions.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:57 PM

20. Yeah, didn't know about that one...

Yikes!

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:20 PM

117. +1, yes! That and Jimmy Dore. There's a reason

those dividers aren’t mainstream. Greenwald ??! Toxic. She should have known to stay away.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:55 PM

17. If you don't support a Democratic candidate,

may be best to not post anything.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:02 PM

21. Who are you?

I don't recall any elections on DU for speech controller.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:06 PM

22. Thought there was a rule about speaking positve regards

Democratic party candidates.

But as you know and Orwell pointed out in Animal Farm, some are more equal than others.

That may be the main reason why we lose elections we should win.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:22 PM

32. Yes.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:23 PM

33. What? We lose elections because of the rules of DU?

Seriously, though. Maybe some of the Dems being criticized should take that advice.

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Response to kcr (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:27 PM

36. Did not say we lose elections because of the rules of DU.

That is silly.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:30 PM

42. Hence the seriously n/t

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:38 PM

47. The discussion is about a democrat seeming to be trying to kneecap other democrats.

No one is being attacked or bashed it seems.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:54 PM

56. If you feel a post breaks a rule, alert.

If you have issues beyond that or want clarification about criticism of general election candidates' (as AOC won her primary) involvement in other primary races is a violation of the rules, the best place to ask them is in the Ask the Administrators forum, not suggest that forum moderation is rigged in favor of "more equal" Democrats in a thread.

Have a lovely day!

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:10 AM

125. They are speaking positively about the Democratic candidates she is campaigning against

in primaries outside the district in which she is running.
We are usually protective of incumbents but she has issues with Democratic incumbents

As an aside I would like to know if she is campaigning for any Democratic incumbents or just their challengers?

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #125)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:38 AM

205. Brand New Congress candidates target incumbents of both parties in safe seats.

I think that once GE races begin, they will endorses only candidates who ascribe to their platform, which may include a limited number of incumbents.

According to the Brand New Congress FAQ page, individual candidates (including AOC) have little autonomy in running their own campaigns.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #205)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:47 AM

242. BNC is not the Democratic Party

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #242)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:56 AM

245. Yes, I know.

According to BNC founder (who is also AOC's spokesman) Corbin Trent :

Theo: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.


http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:21 AM

163. You can support a candidate and still be critical of choices they make

 

Support does not equal blind and unquestioning leadership.

I supported Hillary and gave her my vote and time, but still questioned and was disappointed in some things she did.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:07 PM

23. Keep it simple and don't let it go to your head

Unforced errors. Unfortunate.

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Response to roscoeroscoe (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:11 PM

24. If/when she wins, she'll have many fences to mend in Congress

 

and there's not a damned thing Bernie can do to help her there.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:26 PM

79. She has offended and pissed off a lot of incumbent Democrats. That she annoyed Bill Pascrell....

....one of the easiest going members of the Democratic Caucus, says quite a bit.

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Response to George II (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:30 AM

201. Here are Bill Pascrell's comments

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #201)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:34 AM

203. His complete comments, including the last sentence that wasn't in your graphic:

“She’s carrying on and she ain’t gonna make friends that way,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.). “Joe conceded, wished her well, said he would support her … so she doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.”

“She’s not asking my advice,” he added, “[but] I would do it differently, rather than make enemies of people.”

Asked if Ocasio-Cortez is, indeed, making enemies of fellow Democrats, Pascrell didn’t hesitate.

“Yes,” he said. “No doubt about it.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397333-ocasio-cortez-draws-ire-from-democrats-meteors-fizz-out

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Response to George II (Reply #203)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:38 AM

206. I agree with Pascrell

She is hurting her district

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:39 PM

120. I expect she will run for Speaker, lol.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:16 PM

26. I have not followed her endorsements but.......

 

she has not been seated in Congress yet but seems to be the official spokesperson for the Democratic Party. How can this be ?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:23 AM

234. Because she is creating controversy and the media likes controversy.

If she would focus on her messaging for her district, regardless of her Democratic Socialist views, it would not be news worthy other than her defeating a high ranking incumbent in the primary. Since she keeps arguing with people in her own party, the news covers it because infighting sells ads.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:16 PM

27. I wanted to like her.

That said.

While Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are on board for Welder, Davids has the support of Emily’s List. The group’s PAC, Women Vote!, is spending some $400,000 on advertising backing Davids. This is the “big money” PAC.

The Kansas Progressive, a local diary for Daily Kos, says Sanders is “big footing” women candidates. She writes,”the optics of two east coasters coming into two separate districts to campaign for two white guys is bad. There is no way to spin it.”

“Welder faces two women in his primary. His main challenger, Sharice Davids is the face of Democrats today. Her mother was an Army drill sergeant. Davids grew up in a single parent household, attended a Kansas community college, and earned her law degree at Cornell. She worked as a fellow in the Obama White House, crafting high-level policy. She is Native American, a former MMA fighter, and an out lesbian,” the post says. “She is also a committed progressive. Welder's followers have criticized a $360,000 ad buy from Women's Voice, an Emily's List-linked PAC. They have also linked the Emily's List endorsement to the Sander's visit. Emily's List endorsed Davids on May 24, 2018, but the Sanders campaign stop was announced just this past week, facts which they simply ignore.”

This reflects a broader discussion in the Democratic party about just who is “progressive” and who is “establishment.” A survey by the Brookings Institution has monitored candidates in every single congressional race in the country. “So far we’ve looked at over 1600 Senate and House candidates in nearly 600 races,” write Elaine Kamarck, Alexander R. Podkul, and Nicholas W. Zeppos. “On the Democratic side there is an enormous outpouring of energy on the left (and) … many more Democratic candidates are running for Congress in 2018 than in either of the two previous cycles. And of those Democrats running, many more are identifying themselves as ‘progressive.’”

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/a-vice-president-now-bernie-sanders-sharice-davids-race-is-getting-attention-OXB9pDdgS0eQTtFuhtFFbg/

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:43 PM

50. Mahalo for that report from Indian Country Today, she!

Sharice Davids sounds just like the kind of Rep Kansas District 3 needs!

“Welder faces two women in his primary. His main challenger, Sharice Davids is the face of Democrats today. Her mother was an Army drill sergeant. Davids grew up in a single parent household, attended a Kansas community college, and earned her law degree at Cornell. She worked as a fellow in the Obama White House, crafting high-level policy. She is Native American, a former MMA fighter, and an out lesbian,” the post says. “She is also a committed progressive. Welder's followers have criticized a $360,000 ad buy from Women's Voice, an Emily's List-linked PAC. They have also linked the Emily's List endorsement to the Sander's visit. Emily's List endorsed Davids on May 24, 2018, but the Sanders campaign stop was announced just this past week, facts which they simply ignore.”

Pathetic! Of course they "ignore them..


Best of Luck to Sharice Davids for Congress!

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Response to Cha (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:40 PM

90. She is a fighter.

I want her to win for us all.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:19 PM

28. you mean supporting one of the other candidates in that race

...I really doubt she's said one word about the lady.

There's like four people in that race and Bernie's senior advisor is ahead of the lady in the polls.

What seems to be the problem is that she chose another candidate than you wanted her to. But is it really that unusual for Ocasio-Cortez to campaign for a former senior staffer for Bernie? No it's not. She was/is a big Sanders supporter.

It may well be upsetting to you that she didn't back your choice in that election, but it's not campaigning against your choice, as much as it is campaigning for her choice.

Remember, this support tour of hers includes not only candidates of like-political mind, but Democratic candidates who also supported her own bid. Banding together in support against a backdrop of big money donations and influence is grass roots advocacy which is a natural haven for newcomers without connections or major funding. Davids, for instance, enjoys some $400k in Emily's List money.

It's really just a campaign sweep, perhaps inflated a bit with help from hype and hyperventilating. The Kansas race will be one of a few that week that Ocasio-Cortez visits. There's really less here than meets a partisan eye.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:03 PM

285. good points nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:22 PM

30. I've been disappointed too

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:22 PM

31. She's being promoted by Randy Credico,

friend of dirty trickster Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I do not trust a single one of that bunch. For some reason, he retweets her. Now watching what she’s doing, I wonder if she’s trying to undermine the Democratic Party.

I want to like her. I do like her. I like her platform. It’s her actions that trouble me; that, and a few of her friends.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:56 PM

57. Omg Credico? That can't be good

She popped up out of nowhere.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:32 AM

165. Correct. Credico acted as go-between for Roger Stone and Julian Assange.

The thoughts in your last paragraph are identical to my take on her. The fact that she needs to be watched is a negative from the get-go.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:35 AM

175. In what way? I can't find their connection.

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #175)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:44 AM

191. on Twitter

@Credico2016 retweets/promotes Ocasio for some reason.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:32 AM

202. AOC needs to denounce Credico

He is not a nice person

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:27 PM

35. Hopefully despite all the bone headed moves she actually wins her seat. But...

When she discovers what happens to a freshman house member who has pissed off many more senior caucus members. Well, can’t wait to see her committee assignments.

Not a damn thing Sanders nor OR can do since she is their one shining winner and will have few natural allies.

Maybe she will get serious about the work of actually legislating. But I’m afraid after her victory tour that will seem boring to her.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

107. That's precisely why people stop voting entirely

Democrats get excited to vote for a person that they perceive as embodying the Democratic platform. And then the Democratic “Establishment” steps in and punishes the constituents because of... What? Petulance? Jealousy? Fear? Ocasio is punished because she had the gall to run against an incumbent?

Because she had the temerity to run for office?

If that’s the mainstream attitude of the people running our party, then we should all be prepared to lose big time in other elections.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:52 AM

185. Damn straight.

How are we supposed to get some new people into Congress, if new people don't run, especially against incumbents?

This is old, old rhetoric..."It's too soon for that, we need to wait."

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #185)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:20 AM

188. Sharice Davids isn't an incumbent and she isn't "establishment"

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #188)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:31 PM

271. Exactly. Why on earth are they trying to take Davids out?

Traveling across country to do it.

Ocasio needs to be at home learning what the people she seeks to represent want of her.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:44 AM

209. How is the "establishment" punishing constituents? N/T

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:28 PM

39. K and R

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:30 PM

41. Every time her name is brought up, there's a negative context surrounding it

The first time I heard her name was when Mika was ranting about how superior Ocasio-Cortez' campaign was to other democrats & how OC won without mentioning trump's name much, if at all. Um ok... That same night, trump praised her and bashed Crowley. But after reassurances, I brushed away my concerns. Now day after day it's one story after another about how she's trying to help primary this or that person. It's very odd to me.

What I'd tell her if we met: Slow down! You are new here. I have a great deal of respect for you and your accomplishments, but as a newcomer, you still have to earn our trust (especially considering your association with unsavory types like Glenn Greenwald! Do you not know any better?!)!

Once you've earned our trust, then you can start to disrupt-- and we won't have to question your motives.

Until then, focus on learning the job inside and out. Make sure you are prepared to do the best you can at your job. Get informed on all the issues. Get your facts straight prior to tweeting and making statements. Focus on unity.

Those are the types of actions that gain trust and support nationwide.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:31 PM

43. Can we not bash Democrats on DU?

 

Ocasio-Cortez won the Democratic primary. She is the Democratic candidate. Time to rally behind her!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:33 PM

44. I just love how totally serious you are!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:39 PM

48. Hey, boo

 

Criticizing her choices and actions isn't "bashing."

But I'm glad you're speaking to me again. I've missed you!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:46 PM

51. The OP is not bashing.

It questions whether a democrat should be campaigning against other democrats far from home. I really hope the President Obama or Joe Biden enter on Sharices side, though my guess is they won't (Biden did enter the IA03 primary and the woman he backed romped to victory, since Sharice was a White House fellow in the Obama Administration, maybe).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:50 PM

54. That's great advice. Wish she'd follow it herself instead of primarying...

incumbent Dems in other states.

Why not get elected first?

OR seems to be using her celebrity before she even wins an election.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:10 PM

69. Wait, I thought every Democrat has to EARN the votes.

Not be complacent. That's what I heard.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

83. SHE'S not rallying behind the incumbent in my area, Adam Smith.

She prefers someone with a much smaller chance of beating the Republican candidate.

So I'm NOT going to rally behind her.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

87. LOL !!!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:08 AM

161. lulz so typical

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Response to oberliner (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:38 AM

404. *Snork!*

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:47 PM

52. I like her generally

But I think she wants to be a leader of a progressive bloc that would be like a left freedom caucus and I don’t think that would be that good for getting things done when we have a chance again.

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Response to PoorMonger (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

84. +1

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:59 PM

58. She seems to be acting like she's safely in office

after winning a primary with a low turnout. There's a very good chance that she will be elected in November - but there still is a Republican candidate to deal with, and her actions are giving him some good ammunition.

Sure, she's new. Everyone in Congress was there once. IMHO she'd be better off getting to know her prospective district and its issues rather than running around the country acting like the New Bernie. I've read her Wikipedia page, and there are some things there that make me wonder just how much she comprehends how NYS politics work - let alone national politics. She seems to have already burned a bridge with Crowley: is she going to alienate other potential allies now that she's in the national spotlight?

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #58)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 03:57 PM

395. +1

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:00 PM

59. She's the best

 

Love her.

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Response to melman (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:04 PM

105. I agree, Alexandria is leading re the occupy movement & knows what's needed 2 take back our country

She knows the working class is getting screwed royally and is waging war on the 1%ers... good for her!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #105)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:16 AM

126. So explain to me what is wrong with William L Clay?

 

You seem to have answers?

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #126)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:34 AM

147. Never mentioned Clay, or said there was anything wrong with him.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #147)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:47 AM

181. Look, if you take a position you have to have reasons to back up your claims..

I don't think that's asking too much.

If you don't know who Clay is, and his record, yet think he should be removed because someone you like is challenging him, then clearly personalities are more important to you than substance.

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Response to JHan (Reply #181)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 AM

213. Good try.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #213)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:45 PM

273. You. Want. Lacy Clay. Defeated. Why?

Maybe fall out of line and find a reason.

It's not just undignified not to know. Trump shows that mindless, clueless following of a politician can be genuinely dangerous.

I learn everything I can about candidates I'm interested in. Including what's wrong with those they oppose for what it tells me about them.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #273)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:53 PM

290. LOL, I never said any such a thing... please stop making things up. Thank you.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #290)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:54 PM

299. You support Ocasio in her fight against Clay. WHY?

What's wrong with Lacy Clay that he should be removed from office?

Imo, you need a much better reason than, "I never said that." No one's saying you did.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #299)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:27 PM

309. Never said any such thing... your saying it doesn't make it so.

How can I be supporting something that I never said I supported? Can't wait to hear that one!! Are you a mind reader?

Please stop...you're only embarrassing yourself.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #147)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:51 PM

251. Then why is AOC suddenly interested in seeing him primaried?

 

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #251)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:37 PM

269. I dont know.. you should ask her.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #269)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:02 AM

350. Were asking you since you said you support her. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #350)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:29 AM

365. Yes, of course I support Alexandria..she's the Democratic nominee...

for NY's 14th Congressional District. Don't we all?!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:00 PM

60. I was never a fan, but she's definitely on my nerves. n/t

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #60)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:05 PM

63. ******

Tarheel

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Response to Cha (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:11 PM

70. Hey Dear Cha.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:06 PM

65. I think she's well intended and showing inexperience

Imagine bursting on the national scene at her age, being egged on by tweeters who have nothing to lose.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:06 PM

66. She does seem to CRAVE attention.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:09 PM

68. There's something wrong with that person

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #68)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

108. Yes. I'm glad someone else said it first.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:11 PM

71. Took the words right out of my mouth!!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

72. The Our Revolution candidate, Brent Weldon, has some issues.

He was a Missouri delegate in 2016 when he told the Post-Dispatch that the stolen DNC emails were proof that Hillary's nomination was "rigged". He also praised Jill Stein in 2017 and admitted that he almost voted for her against Hillary and Trump.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:21 PM

74. This is just one aspect

of why Sharice Davids is a better choice for Kansas District 3.

Mostly, though, it's because of who Sharice is..

“Welder faces two women in his primary. His main challenger, Sharice Davids is the face of Democrats today. Her mother was an Army drill sergeant. Davids grew up in a single parent household, attended a Kansas community college, and earned her law degree at Cornell. She worked as a fellow in the Obama White House, crafting high-level policy. She is Native American, a former MMA fighter, and an out lesbian,” the post says. “She is also a committed progressive. Welder's followers have criticized a $360,000 ad buy from Women's Voice, an Emily's List-linked PAC. They have also linked the Emily's List endorsement to the Sander's visit. Emily's List endorsed Davids on May 24, 2018, but the Sanders campaign stop was announced just this past week, facts which they simply ignore.”

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/a-vice-president-now-bernie-sanders-sharice-davids-race-is-getting-attention-OXB9pDdgS0eQTtFuhtFFbg/

sheshe https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10889204

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:15 PM

73. Yeah, me, too. And I don't appreciate her interference in the WA state election.

Adam Smith has been an intelligent, steady progressive and we should keep him in Congress.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:25 PM

78. I think Cortez will be great.

Glad she replaced Crowley.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

81. Can you elaborate?

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Response to George II (Reply #81)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:45 AM

138. Something about "establishment" and "grassroots," no doubt.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #138)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:14 PM

330. Sneer all you want, but

...the Establishment has lost power for the Democrats at every level of government.

This crisis requires that we step out of all complaceny.

"Complaceny"---that's another word for Establishment, BTW.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #330)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:24 PM

332. "the Establishment has lost power for the Democrats at every level of government."

I don't understand this sentence. What or who is the Establishment? Can you please explain?

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Response to zentrum (Reply #330)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:45 AM

372. Establishment, complacency, status quo. BOO!

You need new words to scare us with. Halloween is only a few months away.

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Response to George II (Reply #81)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:11 PM

328. Try the fact that

....she was closer to the demographic of her district, to start.

Passionate, young Latina female. The future.

Party obviously needs new energy, new thinking and really galvanizing candidates and policies.

She's for Medicare for all, universal basic income and/or a guaranteed federal job for everyone, more neighborhood protection from NY real estate and more economic stimulus aimed at the middle. Will she get it? No. But the point is for the Democrats to at least start talking courageously about these things so we can build the support and start defining the frame. The Repugs seeded their ideas for 40 years before they got where they are.

I read that the word "socialism" is now playing well in the midwest, given how forgotten they feel.

She's a great speaker---in the Warren tradition.

A return to the great FDR, Mayor La Guardia and Vito Marcantonio. Cortez, deLeon, Schiff---that's our future and the sooner space is made for them the better.

And yeah---Crowley had strong ties to Wall Street, and a 3M war chest. She had $30 at a pop small donations. And they turned out for her.

The establishment has proven incapable of putting Dems in power at all levels. The House, the Senate, the WH, the courts. Something is really wrong. Why would we do more of the same and hope something to change?

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Response to zentrum (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:47 PM

316. Yes, Alexandria understands the plight of the working class...she's a well-needed voice in the House

... small wonder she won decisively over Crowley.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #316)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:12 PM

329. Yup.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

80. I agree

I understand wanting to back your own guy or gal. But giving lip and such isn't needed. I know she's a democrat, but she needs to leave bad mouthing be. But she is getting on my nerves

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

82. Sharice is quite an impressive candidate.

I want her to win.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

85. I've seen two questionable comments by her the last couple of days...

Apparently she's not up to speed on Israeli-Palestinian history and relations, and she said that the reason unemployment is low is because many people have two jobs. WHAT? After the first job a person is no longer considered unemployed, regardless of any other jobs that person has.

I can get the links if anyone is interested.

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Response to George II (Reply #85)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:32 AM

168. The UE Thing Had Me Slapping My Head As Well

There is a huge difference between employment and unemployment, and this is pretty simple and fundamental. The fact that she doesn't understand this simple an economic concept is concerning.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:37 PM

88. Id like to see Trump tray and grab HER privates

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

89. Every time someone in my circle of friends pins his--and so far it's been his--hopes on someone...

...I always say that person or group will make mistakes. It's just the nature of things.

And I don't say that to crush people's hopes.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:41 PM

91. Sharice Davids call out every Republican who voted to ban adoptions by gay couples.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:45 PM

95. Welcome to DU

 

Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #100)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:06 PM

106. But you just decided to become a member a couple of weeks ago

 

because you've had enough with "divisive crap" and used your third post to tell a DUer "who cares what you think?"

As I said, enjoy your stay.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

111. I care what Effie Black thinks.. And, obviously

a lot of people on her thread.

You're being rude.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:25 PM

119. Well she's trotting around in the midwest

So she's affecting ore than her district at the moment.

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Response to nini (Reply #119)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:47 AM

152. This nt

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Response to Name removed (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:45 AM

166. We could say the same thing about AOC

Not her district, not her state - who cares what she thinks?

Divisive is in the eye of the beholder.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:42 PM

93. After her Firing Line interview, she is getting shredded in the conservative press.

She needs to get back in district, and win her seat.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

97. I doubt it will happen, but she needs to avoid the tortoise and hare scenario

 

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:47 PM

98. The conservative press?

 

And that's important...why?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #99)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:26 AM

129. Trying that one again huh?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:55 PM

101. Because she will have to debate them?

She has a general election coming and she has an opponent. As a U.S. legislator she is going to have to argue bills, policy, on the House floor.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #101)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:25 AM

128. So you'd rather have someone who gets good coverage in the conservative press?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #128)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:55 AM

134. Why is she even going on their shows to begin with?

This is something that I don't even understand about a certain segment of the left, being a lefty myself. I'm only speaking for myself but this doesn't even appeal to me at all. I'm not at all interested in reaching out to their side. And when they argue that they're so much better than the Dems they're primarying and attacking yet cozy on up to these right-wingers they're reaching out to, it looks hypocritical to me. I don't get it. Then they end up saying things like her William F Buckley jr comment that are just, WTF? Being eviscerated by the conservative press is the least of her worries. I don't get why some of my fellow progressives eat this shit up. It's a total turn off for me.

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Response to melman (Reply #128)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:41 PM

279. Pfffft.

Saying "I'm not a geopolitical expert" after asserting your geopolitical views is shred-worthy. Turning platitudes into law enforced policy is an arduous slog.

She would be vulnerable to conservative arguments if she cannot coherently articulate her "progressive" arguments as solutions to a given issue.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #249)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:01 PM

284. Her vulnerability goes beyond this gaffe.

There is a well written take in the National Review. I won't link to it, and I can't agree with it as an argument against liberal policy. But the analysis isn't a critique of liberal policy, per se. It is a critique of her logic and presentation, and whether she is, yet, a good champion for progressive policy on the open market.

This wouldn't be a hard thing to overcome with work and experience. But she seems to be burning bridges with people she is going to need for guidance and support.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #284)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:23 PM

287. All candidates need to be prepared for in depth interviews.

You can't just wing complex policy questions with slogans and broad bullet points.

I'm not sure how far outside the PAC that sponsored her primary run AOC will be permitted to seek advice. All Brand New Congress candidates take a pledge and relinquish a great deal of campaign autonomy to the PAC.

How much say in the campaign will candidates have?

BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.


https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:45 PM

94. Strong. Resilient. Indigenous.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #94)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:56 PM

102. WTF.

She's taking time away from running in her district to campaign for Welder. So what does Ocasio-Cortez have against Davids?



secondly, an excellent introduction to the candidate ad.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #102)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:06 AM

351. No AOC supporter will answer that very good question

 

“So what does Ocasio-Cortez have against Davids?”

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #351)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:39 AM

355. 'AOC supporter'

 

This reminds me of a question someone else refused to answer.

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Response to melman (Reply #355)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:57 AM

360. "Reminds me of a question someone else refused to answer"

 

Ironic considering the post to which you responded.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #360)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:04 AM

362. Not at all ironic

 

A person was asked repeatedly if they support a Democratic candidate. Over and over they refused to answer.

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Response to melman (Reply #362)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:05 AM

363. Very ironic. You refused to answer a question and substituted your own.

 

Think about it. You might eventually get it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #363)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:08 AM

364. Nothing to think about

 

That didn't happen.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:09 PM

109. I'm not worried. The strongest Democrats will emerge

I have faith in our party.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

110. Well, that didn't take long.






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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:13 PM

112. She's being ridiculous and she's old enough to not act this foolish.

so it's intentional.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:14 PM

113. Something is not right.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #113)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:11 AM

167. 'Something happenin' here'

What it is, ain't exactly clear

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:23 PM

118. This OP is like a parody of "identity politics"

 

The big rap on Ocasio-Cortez is the assessment of her endorsements based on the race, gender, and sexual orientation of the various candidates.

Here's a novel thought: Maybe she's basing her endorsement on other factors, like, I dunno, views on public policy?

I know almost nothing about any of these races. If I studied them, I might agree with all of Ocasio-Cortez's endorsements, or disagree with all, or split. But the implication in the OP seems to be that endorsing a straight white cis male is always wrong if there's another candidate in the primary who's not a straight white cis male. I admit that, as a straight white cis male myself, I might be biased -- but even allowing for my bias, this seems to be a terrible idea.

We all know that there are groups that, historically, have been underrepresented in public office. Improving diversity is a valid consideration. Still, it's not the only consideration. I supported the straight white cis male who ran against Michele Bachmann.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #118)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:00 AM

122. Maybe the point was hypocrisy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1006231863659253760?lang=en

Unsurprising, but disappointing that @SenGillibrand didn’t even bother to talk to nor consider me before endorsing.

You‘d think a progressive leader would at least be interested in how a no-corporate money Bronx Latina triggered the 1st NY-14 primary in 14 years on prog issues.


Has she spoken to any of the candidates she's endorsing, or their opponents?

Will she keep her tone positive and attack the Republican incumbent in this race? Will she keep from throwing shade that could be used against whoever does win if her candidate doesn't? Does she understand this district like she understands her own?

I have issues with people interfering with other state's primaries. Maybe I am just bitter still about the primary battle funded with out of state money that made Republicans get the idea that Arkansas was a great place to send money, too -- except in general elections. It's been less than a decade since we only sent 1 Repuke of the six we sent to do business in Congress, now all six are and one (Tom Cotton) has been proven to have broken FEC violations with the help of outside groups to grab the blue Senate seat.

I hope this tour involves speaking positively about the candidates they are endorsing vs throwing mud that could stick later, or slipping up and hurting chances by saying the wrong things to audiences in districts possibly very different from the one she's running in..

I'm reserving judgment of her wisdom in this until then, but I can definitely see a bit of hypocrisy in going out to these states and interfering in their elections without likely having had much contact with their opponents -- the same thing she criticized Gillibrand for doing, making endorsement decisions based on who she knows vs contacting and discussing beforehand. That's even leaving out her own call about being a minority and female from the picture.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #118)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:08 AM

124. Identity politics. Now, there's a blast from 2016.

What a breath of fresh air!

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #118)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:47 AM

171. Except Davids and Welder don't differ on policy.

They literally share the same platform along with Sidie. It's pretty boilerplate, they picked the local Sanders crony over the more unique and qualified candidate.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #118)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:30 AM

217. She is basing her congressional endorsements on other factors.

She pledged as a Brand New Congress candidate.

How much say in the campaign will candidates have?

BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.

To be a BNC candidate, they have to believe that being a team player is their best chance of winning, and that their team is the BNC, not their own collection of friends, family and other advisors. This model of campaigning is a complete departure from the way American party politics has worked for a century and is much more similar to European parliamentary party politics. The key to making this work is to find candidates who are enthusiastic about this model, rather than finding activists who are opposed to it and trying to convince them. Running the campaign this way is important in light of the practical experience of challengers tending to be terrible at running their own campaigns. We want candidates who will be great leaders of their people, not great Congressional campaign managers.


https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/


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Response to lapucelle (Reply #217)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:04 PM

292. Ugh, will she be explaining in detail to voters that she has to get permission

from a committee for anything she does?? This looks so juvenile, sorry.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #292)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:21 PM

295. Nothing says "revolutionary"

quite like having to get permission to do what other candidates are free to do.

What exactly do you mean by a single, unified campaign?

When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fundraise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.


FAQ tab
https://web.archive.org/web/20160826054311/https://brandnewcongress.org/home

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #295)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:31 PM

312. That sounds like a third party. It also sounds like their whole operation is

to fight other Democrats. So who is going to fight the Republicans??

She should be forthcoming with voters about how she is approaching this. Maybe some constituents will wonder if they want to be dictated to by outsiders.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #312)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:39 PM

314. They ran one Republican who lost his primary.

Brand New Congress is running a former Republican as an Independent in the general election for a congressional seat in Tennessee.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #314)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:44 PM

315. That is really unfortunate. It's not surprising, though. She should explain

this all to her constituents. The new group who will be her consultants will not hesitate to support Republicans whom they rename as "Independents." The NY-14 constituents should be aware of this. Now I see why Crowley might stay on the ballot. This is bizarre.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #315)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:55 PM

317. NY 14th is very diverse. It is a microcosm of NY's famous "melting pot".

Her disastrous response on PBS Firing Line concerning the Palestine question left both sides fuming, including her primary voter base.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:54 PM

121. I heard a Brent Welder interview a while back. I liked him

I can't say that I know enough about the race to disagree, but is there more to the critique than because she ended up supporting a "white dude" over a gay Native American woman? I vote character and policy.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:18 AM

127. Weird

People on this board who wanted Joe Crowley (straight white dude) to beat Alexandria are now bashing her for rallying for a white dude over a minority woman. Curious.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #127)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:46 AM

132. Do you realize Crowly was an incumbent?

And if so, you still think it's curious? Because that would be weird unless you don't know what incumbent means.

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Response to kcr (Reply #132)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:50 AM

133. Do you realize that the best Democrat should win?

That's what elections are about.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #133)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:57 AM

135. I have no problem with the best Democrat winning.

But if you primary a white male Democrat, touting your non-white maleness as one of your traits to help you win demographically, then turn around and pick a white male over a none white male to help them out just because the non-white male didn't join your club? I'm going to call it out.

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Response to kcr (Reply #135)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:10 AM

136. I think you may be misunderstanding Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

Her main trait she campaigned on was that she was progressive and would take those values to Washington. It didn't hurt that she looked like her constituents,lived like her constituents live and actually resided in the district.

I think the color of the candidate's skin she endorses isn't where her heart is. I think she endorses based on policy and whoever she thinks will be the stronger progressive. I'm really proud of her. I think you should give her a chance.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #136)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:29 AM

155. She's campaigning for Justice Democrats.

 

Based entirely on policy and the pledge not to take corporate PAC money.

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #155)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:31 AM

238. Yes, but Brent Welder seems to be taking corporate money

despite the fact that he is a Brand New Congress candidate and pledged not to...unless, of course, money from industry lobbyists, real estate interests, the securities and investment sector, the accounting idustry, and pharmaceutical companies don't count.

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/industries?cycle=2018&id=KS03&spec=N

Over 89% of his money comes from out of state.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/geography?cycle=2018&id=KS03

Over 59% of his money comes from large donors.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/industries?cycle=2018&id=KS03&spec=N

One of the problems I have with Welder concerns a statement he made to the Washington Post after making it known that he wanted to take the TPP platform fight to the floor of the convention after his position lost in the committee vote:

"We're trying to save Secretary Clinton from herself."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/09/sanders-loses-on-trade-at-democratic-platform-meeting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.efa94cad1058

Similarly, according to AP, when Sanders announced his decision to endorse HRC to his delegates:

Welder joined in the booing, chanting in reference to Sanders’ endorsement of Clinton: “take it back.”

Some other Sanders delegates from Missouri also were displeased, though not all as vocally.

https://apnews.com/502ec34ccbae425f89fd80ef5b4cee95

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #238)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:09 PM

274. Good Finds, lapucelle!

Thank You!

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Response to Cha (Reply #274)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:44 PM

322. Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, and their candidates also need to admit

that every time they utilize party infrastructure to launch and maintain a campaign, they are availing themselves of resources that were (at least in part) funded by corporate and superpac donations.

Mahalo!!!!!

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #322)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:19 AM

371. Ha! They'll never admit it..

It's not in their protocol.

According to them "corporate" in a dirty word.. why they're trying to marginalize Sharice Davids with "corporate" lawyer. And, "establishment" because Emily's list endorsed Sharice. Anyone that doesn't endorse them is "establishment".

Mahalo to you, lapucelle!!

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #238)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:57 PM

291. Wow, lapucelle! Thanks again for your very informative links in this

post and others in this thread. Awesome as usual!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #291)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:33 PM

320. ...

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #136)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:20 AM

233. I'm not misunderstanding her

She didn't have to align herself with the group she chose to align herself with. I don't agree with them, the people who founded them and their tactics. And she's going right along with their tactics, too. Choices she's making. She's also choosing to leave off her platform things that matter to me. I'm not impressed.

For example, she's right that low unemployment numbers don't matter. Her facts and reasoning are absolutely correct. So why is she pushing guaranteed jobs, which will do nothing to alleviate that? Why isn't she going with a UBI instead? Because either she isn't the radical socialist she paints herself to be, or she tamps it down in order to blend in with the faux Our Revolution and their bullshit movement. Don't get me started on Justice Democrats.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:04 AM

143. I think republicans, independents and other non democrats shouldnt meddle in our primaries nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:19 AM

145. You should delete this OP. It is shameful.

So now you get to decide who Ocasio-Cortez may support and not support? And if she doesn't follow then her "minority identity" gets revoked?

Perhaps she simply likes Welder better than David. I know that is a novel concept to some, but some people base their support for a candidate on positions, not on demographics.

By the way, Bernie Sanders is Jewish, so please be consistent and stop crapping on the first progressive Jewish candidate to go as far as he did in a presidential primary. Just saying...

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #145)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:35 AM

148. No it is NOT "shameful".. you don't get

to shut down a political discussion.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #145)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:11 AM

162. yawn

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #145)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:50 AM

182. At the time, Joe Lieberman was a progressive Jewish candidate and he was on the GE ballot.

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Response to George II (Reply #182)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:54 PM

254. Joe Lieberman was never progressive

 

Sorry. He was barely a Democrat.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #254)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:12 PM

256. "At the time......"

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Response to George II (Reply #256)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:07 PM

293. At what time?

He was supported by William F. Buckley in his 1st Senate campaign for chrissakes.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #145)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:59 AM

361. Nope, OP should not delete this OP. We're holding people's feet to the fire, remember that?

 

Or was that only for the black President?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #361)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:51 AM

369. Thanks for providing another example of dishonest identity politics.

The OP already provided one.

So Obama's race matters but that of Ocasio-Cortez doesn't.

In other words "but identity" is reserved only for certain people. It is only used when convenient.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #369)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:48 PM

382. You're the one who said it. Is it OK to hold politicians feet to the fire or not?

 

I don’t remember you objecting when it was Obama’s.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:21 AM

146. To borrow a phrase from another thread, it's all about Bernie.

I don't think the poster meant it quite the way I took it, but basically that's what this appears to be. For this reason I think that it may well turn out that Mr. Crowley winds up keeping that seat in NY.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #146)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:39 AM

149. Aloha, ucr..

I saw that little discussion.. and no it was not meant the way you thought AT FIRST! I was thinking the same maybe.. until I read a little bit further.

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Response to Cha (Reply #149)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:47 PM

280. Aloha, Cha!

Yes it seems the "progressive policy" we keep hearing about basically boils down to loyalty to Sanders. The actual policies are either boiler-plate Democratic (higher minimum wage, lower college costs) or reactionary (objection to PPACA under various guises, objection to multilateral trade deals negotiated by Democrats), which isn't progressive in any practical sense at all.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #280)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:07 PM

286. Yeah, it's Regressive..

"..objection to multilateral trade deals negotiated by Democrats), which isn't progressive in any practical sense at all."

Mahalo!

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Response to Cha (Reply #286)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:29 AM

344. More and more it seems the whole thing rests on one fixed idea: dumping Obamacare.

And I mean the WHOLE thing, all the various candidates and organizations etc etc. And based on the proposal Sanders released in 2017, which is as hollow as a chocolate bunny, he doesn't have a better idea, apart from getting rid of employer-based health programs, which I don't think is ever going to happen. There are a few ACA-like patient protection codicils but nothing like any kind system to implement them. Meaning if it were to come to pass in some far future it would at best, after a lengthy transition period, vaguely resemble the ACA. But it would have Bernie's name on it and that alone seems to be motivating this entire farce. I don't mean to disrespect those who honestly believe in his message but this makes me very angry as his goal seems egotistic at best and he seems to be willing to break anything to achieve it. He may well help break the ACA but I don't think he or anyone else will ever replace it with something better.

https://www.healthcare-now.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Medicare-for-All-Act-of-2017-FINAL.pdf

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #344)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:24 AM

345. So both sides of the spectrum want

to dump Obamacare.. except those whose health and lives have been saved.

The No penalty for pre-existing conditions was a Good one.. and so was being able to be on it until you were 26 years old.

I believe I read President Obama told trump he didn't care if he called it "trump care".. he just wanted to actually help those in need. Obama's ego not in the mix.

Conor Lamb actually won in his PA district on Health Issues and ACA(mustn't call it Obamacare!!).

I totally agree with your assessment, ucr. I'll leave it at that.. you know I could say a whole lot more.

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Response to Cha (Reply #345)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:43 AM

346. Exactly.

Which weighs heavily against the whole enterprise. Good point about Conor Lamb. At last count the ACA seems to have gotten very popular:

Poll: ObamaCare favorability reaches all-time high

BY PETER SULLIVAN - 03/01/18 09:18 AM EST

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/376210-poll-obamacare-favorability-reaches-all-time-high

The favorable rating for ObamaCare has reached its highest level since the law was enacted in 2010, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) poll.

The poll finds that 54 percent of the public has a favorable view of the law, compared to 42 percent who have an unfavorable view. That is the highest favorable rating in a KFF poll since it began asking the question in 2010.

The rise is driven by independents, the KFF found, with 55 percent now having a favorable view of the law, a significant jump from 48 percent last month. Nearly eight in ten Republicans still have an unfavorable view of the law.


Which makes the OR candidates all the more dubious as "Medicare for All" is basically the only bow in their quiver.

p.s. thanks Cha!

...................
e.t.a: more recent poll, showing a slight dip from March:
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #346)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:39 AM

347. Mahalo for the Obamacare polls, ucr.. you never know when they might come in handy!

Poll: ObamaCare favorability reaches all-time high

BY PETER SULLIVAN - 03/01/18 09:18 AM EST

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/376210-poll-obamacare-favorability-reaches-all-time-high

The favorable rating for ObamaCare has reached its highest level since the law was enacted in 2010, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) poll.

The poll finds that 54 percent of the public has a favorable view of the law, compared to 42 percent who have an unfavorable view. That is the highest favorable rating in a KFF poll since it began asking the question in 2010.

The rise is driven by independents, the KFF found, with 55 percent now having a favorable view of the law, a significant jump from 48 percent last month. Nearly eight in ten Republicans still have an unfavorable view of the law.

Which makes the OR candidates all the more dubious as "Medicare for All" is basically the only bow in their quiver.

p.s. thanks Cha!

...................
e.t.a: more recent poll, showing a slight dip from March:
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear

I love that Sharice Davids was a Fellow in the Obama WH.. speaking of him!

White House fellow, U.S. Department of Transportation; Chair of the Board of Directors of Twelve Clans, Inc. for the Ho-Chunk Nation; Deputy Director for the Thunder Valley Community Development Corporation on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation; Director of Economic Development at Red Cloud Indian School; Associate at SNR Denton; Of-Counsel at Ceiba Legal; attended community college, then Cornell University Law School.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10895118

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #146)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:48 AM

153. how? By running legitimately against her in the General?

 

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #146)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:43 AM

177. Yes, that is a distinct possibility. Wish I could say more...nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:46 AM

151. If she likes one candidates ideology over another's, then why shouldn't she advocate for that

 


candidate? Do you have a legitimate reason why we shouldn't be voting and advocating along nuances of policy?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #151)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:46 AM

180. She won't be voting in Kansas, or Missouri, or Michigan.

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Response to George II (Reply #180)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:47 AM

221. so? others campaign for people....say, Barabara Boxer and Biden when they went to

 


campaign for Lieberman against Lamont...

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:12 AM

154. Seems to have some issues with honesty and impulse control.

 

She will gain many supporters when those two things are focused on Republicans like a laser. There is going to be a learning curve for her.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:30 AM

156. She also supports Kaniela Ing in HI-01

Who was arrested and recently find $15,000 for using state campaign funds to pay rent on his residences in Maui and Oahu, to pay his domestic partner’s credit card bill and make a deposit into his personal checking account and other violations. This guy was very lucky the State Campaign Spending Board didn’t refer him for prosecution.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:42 AM

157. Not impressed

I would rather Ocasio-Cortez accomplish something as a member of Congress before campaigning in other states. This type of activity is a little too Palinesque for my personal taste.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:06 AM

158. I was...

… thrilled when she won. I hope she concentrates on her district and progressive ideas - Ocasio-Cortez can endorse people, but it's not appropriate for her to assume a prominent role in picking favorites in other races. Maybe the media is playing this up, I don't know... but it's really strange. Campaigning against Sharice Davids? Why? I trust this is not her passion and will be put on the back burner.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:05 AM

160. I live in FL but donated to Sharice

I am REALLY pissed about this move, and by what she and Sanders are doing to Clay.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:26 AM

164. I say we give this newbie with more enthusiasm than I've seen in decades free rein.

And - bottom line - if it ends up that it's Charlie Manson back from the dead running for a Democratic spot, vote for him.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:37 AM

169. I'm just enjoying watching the status quoer's

 

try & figure out a way to attack a young, female, latina.. a true progressive - it is quite fascinating. Ironic that as a young, female, latina, progressive VOTER you are ignored - as a candidate and advocate, not so much.. here's hoping that this is the start of the millennials political awakening..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:41 AM

176. No. You are actually watching an unelected Justice

Democrat funded by an ex-Republican’s group, Cenk Uyger, aka Justice Democrats, primary other safe seat Democrats, also POC, btw. You are watching people wonder what attacking fellow Democrats actually accomplishes besides attracting the attention of proven ratfuckers like Greenwald. You should read the thread.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #176)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:46 AM

179. ++++++++

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #176)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:55 AM

186. Funded by Cenk Uyger who is funded by Buddy Roehmer. Makes one shake one's head.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #176)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:24 AM

189. Thank you

 

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #176)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:15 AM

231. Unlike people here..

 

I knew she had done a "boogieman" Greenwald interview, among others & was essentially ignored by all the corporate media until election night.. I know yall think democracy is an attack on supposed "chosen" candidates - but that is not how this works..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #231)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:10 PM

247. Isn't Bernie a "chosen" candidate?? He runs as a Democrat then switches

to Independent. We're told he's popular with his constituents, and that makes it all okay to preclude other Democrats from running against him. So the double standards strike again. How are you harmed if other candidates are popular with their constituents? Just because they don't spout revolution talking points doesn't mean they should just go away because of some slogans.

There was a thread here election night that showed her interviews, but it's gone. Just because you knew about her interview with Greenwald doesn't change the significance of her decisions. Greenwald is a proven ratfucker, so any credibility you think she gets from random interviews should consider motives.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:45 AM

178. If you're going down the route of "identity politics" she's also lending her support to candidates..

challenging other women of color who are running. This is evidenced in the op.

So uhm, nice try.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:52 AM

184. But you have no qualms about an out-of-state-er (to put it in your "status quoer's" terminology)....

....attack a young, Native American gay woman - a true progressive? Yes, again using your terminology, quite fascinating.

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Response to George II (Reply #184)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:07 AM

227. First off..

 

if endorsing & supporting a candidate over another is an attack.. then democracy is chock full of "attacks" - and no, I have no qualm

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:48 AM

192. "status quoer" means what, exactly?

You do realize that when one is elected to government office, one becomes establishment and status quo, right? That's the job. An activist is different.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #192)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:02 AM

226. I stole this, but I think it applies...

 

Status quo requires that you accept twenty-two fantasies as scientific laws:

1. Change isn’t popular.
2. Bipartisanship still works.
3. Process matters more than results.
4. Politics is mostly about manners.
5. The rest of the country is exactly like my social circle.
6. The Midwest and South would never elect progressive candidates.
7. Billionaires are good people, and will act justly.
8. It is practical to continue global wars forever.
9. The far right will act sane.
10. Our environmental policy is rational and sustainable.
11. Our economic structure is rational and sustainable.
12. This is still the 1990s.
13. The system works and will keep working.
14. America is already great, and always has been.
15. If anything bad happens, it’s the Russians.
16. Universal health care is impossible.
17. Strong unions are impossible.
18. Alternative economics are impossible.
19. Millennials love centrism.
20. The future will look like today.
21. A better world is impossible.
22. Whatever is, is right.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #226)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:08 AM

228. The fact is status quo has become whatever a select group has decided it is

It is nothing about the things you list. Take an actual look at some of the candidates being primaried and what they believe in. In some cases, they are even less status quo by these standards.

On message boards it's become whether or not you support the tactics of OR/Justice Democrats and the people who founded them. If not, you're status quo. Bull shit.

It's not even about the primarying for me. If some of these people actually offered something radically different I'd reconsider. But yawn. I don't think I've ever seen one of them offer UBI on their platform, for example. Please.

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Response to kcr (Reply #228)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:19 AM

232. The same goes for "Establishment"

 

As if there is something wrong with people getting into the system and "establishing" themselves - you know, figure out how to get things done.

The point of the whole thing is - or should be - to BECOME "establishment": to get inside and effect change. If, after decades in politics, you haven't become "establishment" and are still on the outside yelling, wagging your finger at the people who ARE inside actually accomplishing something, and calling them "establishment" and "status quoers," you're failing.

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Response to kcr (Reply #228)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:23 AM

235. This is where you lose me..

 

the "status quo" isn't the candidate/ candidates, I really don't know the politics of all these candidates involved - not my districts.. the so called "attacks" are just standard operating procedures - Ocasio feels the need to return the favor to others that were there when she was running - I am sure that their politics also coincide with hers.. the other candidates aren't the issue & they aren't being attacked.. the status quo I speak of is the apparent choice that has been made from somewhere upon high that these races shouldn't be competitive and that Ocasio has no right to lend her popularity to her allies.. & that is the problem

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #235)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:34 AM

240. What do you think they mean by status quo? They're talking about candidates.

Then they define candidates simply by who joins their club. She's just returning favors? Yeah, exactly. I'm well aware of this which, again, is my problem. They sell their brand on not being the status quo by branding their candidates as anti-establishment and attack other candidates by branding them as status quo. But then the price of admission is membership, and whether or not you're branded establishment is simply whether or not your part of their club and did them a favor. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Sounds pretty establishment to me. That is not a progressive, socialist movement.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #235)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:21 PM

342. She is also campaigning against Lacy Clay

The "establishment" candidate who has a great reputation in his area , is a strong member of the Congressional Black Conference, has a fantastic relationship with his cohort across the other side of the state (Emanuel Cleaver) and actually shows further to the left politically than Sanders.

She is BNC, not a Democrat.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #226)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:49 AM

244. Then anyone who agrees with the 2016 Democratic platform

is (by your definition) NOT a status quo-er.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #226)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:07 PM

384. So basically, a bullshit strawman. NT

 

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #384)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:57 PM

388. PONIES & RAINBOWS.. ;)

 

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #226)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:14 PM

397. It doesn't apply in the United States.

Ridiculous.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #169)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:13 PM

339. As she goes to Kansas to.campaign against a young,

Progressive,Native American woman who grew up poor, attended community college before law school, served her country, was a MMA fighter, raised by a single mother . Did i also mention a member of the LGBT community? Did i also forget to mention that she's been spotted at a number of protests ,not just during this election cycle?

She is the candidate that our youth want, not Welder.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #339)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:45 AM

368. Good for her..

 

we'll see how the voters decide, these endorsements don't mean the candidates are slam dunks.. on the contrary they tend to be long shots - like Ocasio was..

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:56 AM

187. Leadership

The Dems need to stop going down the path of extreme caucuses that have split the GOP and stopped it from being able to govern.

What is desperately needed is leadership that promotes unity and a strong cohesive message.

This isn't rocket science people. Get serious and get the job done.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:25 AM

190. Folks, Ocasio-Cortez is NOT a Congresswoman. YET.

There’s still that little thing called the general election in November; and she cannot let her recent success swell her head and shoot her mouth off over everything everywhere.

If anything, she should stay in her district, concentrate on those issues affecting her district and work to get everybody else on board to vote for her in the general election and seal the deal. Congressional politics at that stage is STILL local.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:03 AM

195. Shes supporting Thompson and Welder because they are alligned with her own platform

 

whereas Clay and Davids are more centrist.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #195)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:53 PM

253. And isn't it funny how it was perfectly ok for Debbie Dingall to say that

as much as she admired El Sayed she felt endorsing Whitmer was a better choice because she had a better chance of being elected in Michigan. But some here are upset that AOC endorses a progressive Democrat white male running in a red state like Kansas because a Native American lesbian is also running in red state Kansas. Hmmmmm. I think it’s less about platform and more about something else that has some people looking for anything negative about a young exciting Democrat energizing people to vote. But maybe that’s just me.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #195)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:22 PM

257. We're talking about KANSAS here, not the South Bronx. The top priority of a candidate...

...is to get elected, and candidates in Kansas are far more likely to be "more centrist" than those in New York City. And they can't accomplish a damned thing if they don't get elected.

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Response to George II (Reply #257)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:46 PM

259. What does the South Bronx have to do with this?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #259)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:48 PM

260. Oh melman, we've been through this before. A "liberal" in Kansas is going to be considered....

....a "conservative" in New York City.

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Response to George II (Reply #260)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:49 PM

261. But what does the South Bronx have to do with this?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #261)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:50 PM

262. Do you know where Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez lives?

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Response to George II (Reply #262)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:56 PM

263. Yes I do

 

Not the South Bronx.

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Response to melman (Reply #263)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:16 PM

264. Well sir, I'm certainly not going to give you a geography lesson on the city in which I grew up.

But you may want to read her biography on her campaign website.

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Response to George II (Reply #264)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:29 PM

266. Okay

 

Then I'll give you one. The South Bronx has nothing with this or NY-14.



Parkchester is the East Bronx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Bronx


The South Bronx is part of New York's 15th Congressional District

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx#Boundaries


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_15th_congressional_district




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Response to melman (Reply #266)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:33 PM

268. Feel free to continue to parse this, from the campaign website: