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highplainsdem

(48,874 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:39 AM Jul 2018

Nate Silver hits Axios for headlining Trump GOP approval w/out mentioning independent, overall #s

The same poll Axios is headlining for Trump having 79% approval among Republicans for his press conference with Putin




https://www.axios.com/republicans-poll-donald-trump-press-conference-putin-5776322f-a483-4e21-b50c-028799b08367.html

shows that only 33% of Independents approved of the press conference, and 62% disapproved (on top of 91% of Dems disapproving and only 7% approving).

And the overall numbers show 58% disapproval with only 40% approval.

As obvious as those numbers are from the graph, there isn't a single word about the high disapproval numbers in the story itself, or the tweet Axios posted.


Silver's tweet:





I don't like the trend of treating Trump's approval among GOP voters as the headline and his overall approval number as the subheadline.

Both are important, but the overall number is more important.

His approval among independents is also important, and rarely gets mentioned.




Of course, if the Axios story on the poll gave more attention to the overall numbers, let alone the low approval among Independents, there'd be less support for their breathless summation:

This poll foreshadows the coming national drama. Every piece of data, and virtually every public action of elected Republican officials, shows Trump will have overwhelming and probably unbreakable party support, regardless of what Robert Mueller finds with his Russia probe.
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still_one

(92,055 posts)
3. That should be very troubling to most Americans. It means that 40% of the populous have no problem
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jul 2018

with a racist, sexist, bigoted President willing to compromise the nations security to a foreign power


 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. It does point out that policy and conviction means absolutely nothing to a right winger.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jul 2018

It shows that right wingers approve 79% - 18% with Don the Con’s performance at Helsinki. Had a democratic president displayed that level of weakness and appeasement before Putin, he or she would have been lucky to receive the opposite: 18% approve - 79% disapprove from the same Republicans. Anyone still wish to suggest that “understanding Republican concerns” is a legitimate thought at all ?

LonePirate

(13,402 posts)
4. The Republican number is important because that is what drives action/inaction in Congress.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jul 2018

As long as Republican voters overwhelmingly approve of the traitor’s actions, nothing will happen, even if Democrats and Independents both disapprove of him at 100% levels.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. The "Independent Party" will still break for Trump if he runs again.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jul 2018

Just like they did in 2016.

The manner in which they are often polled and promoted makes me think we should simply start viewing them as a party. A right wing Trump humping political party.

OnDoutside

(19,943 posts)
8. They may do, but how many of them voted for him because they were hit with so many Anti-Hillary
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jul 2018

ads ? With that factor no longer there, and (hopefully) a fresh Democratic candidate, that surely would be worth a few percent swing ?

We should also remember that there is NO focal point Dem candidate yet, so his numbers should go down. I don't know if it was by design, but not having a Democratic frontrunner before the Midterms, may be inspired, as Trump/GOP has no obvious target.

Azathoth

(4,606 posts)
9. Nate's coming at this from a predictive analytics perspective. That's not the point
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jul 2018

The point here is not to predict the outcome of future elections. The point is that support for Trump from within his cult is at Jim Jones levels. As the vast majority of America becomes more and more horrified by him, the cult digs in and moves further and further from reality, which means his party -- one half of our entire political leadership -- will continue to move in lockstep with him until they are finally broken at the polls.

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