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catbyte

(34,170 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:50 AM Jul 2018

I was watching a documentary about the rise of the Third Reich yesterday that was made in 1973.

One sentence that made my blood run cold was "Hitler vowed to make Germany great again." GACK! But for the fact that Traitor Tot is so lazy, evil, vile, incompetent, and utterly transparent, this could turn out much, much worse. For all of the damage that he is doing and has done, I think there are enough decent Americans like us here on DU who will rise up and resist if the shit really hits the fan. At least I know I will.

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I was watching a documentary about the rise of the Third Reich yesterday that was made in 1973. (Original Post) catbyte Jul 2018 OP
If you ever wondered what you'd have done in Nazi Germany, RandomAccess Jul 2018 #1
we were complacent in WISCONSIN jodymarie aimee Jul 2018 #10
Excellent RandomAccess Jul 2018 #33
Illinois has just barely escaped the same fate by the skin of our teeth ... so far. hedda_foil Jul 2018 #43
The Pritzer family have been rock solid democrats all along. Blue_true Jul 2018 #50
What is happening in our country h2ebits Jul 2018 #11
Glad you un-lurked to give that link. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #18
Terrifying article. Thanks for posting. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #22
Thanks RandomAccess Jul 2018 #34
Exactly my thoughts. h2ebits Jul 2018 #38
Thank you for the link! Starfury Jul 2018 #58
I too am fearful about the 2018 election. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #15
I have heard many times that those contacts DO make a difference dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #27
Those are excellent questions. Thanks so much for posting them. RandomAccess Jul 2018 #36
Please do and feel free to modify. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #45
I'll tell ya what I'M doing. calimary Jul 2018 #23
YES! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #35
+1 Indivisible is great -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #37
the parallels Between Trump and the Hitler are very similar. dubyadiprecession Jul 2018 #2
Two differences come to mind... keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #7
Hitler was also a young Man when he came to power BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #31
Granny needs to shave her legs (middle pic) keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #32
I've read a lot about the rise of the Nazis vlyons Jul 2018 #3
The key is demagoguery. As Aristotle concluded it usually results in tyranny and dictatorship. olegramps Jul 2018 #14
I read somewhere that the 3 great hatreds of Islamic jihadists were vlyons Jul 2018 #17
I see you wrote "warping themselves in the flag and carrying a cross" in your second paragraph. calimary Jul 2018 #24
apparently it can happen with good employment and no inflation too TeamPooka Jul 2018 #21
Volumes and volumes of books have been dedicated to this subject. Be careful with analogies. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #53
History repeats empedocles Jul 2018 #4
I watched 'WWII in HD Colour' right around when Trump's NATO trashing started SemiHalfling Jul 2018 #5
It wast russia Cosmocat Jul 2018 #6
The willingness to abandon Communism by Russia was not an accident. gordianot Jul 2018 #8
Hitler's minions took care of him.... Toorich Jul 2018 #9
Do not have to wait long. gordianot Jul 2018 #12
Ach! Mein gott! hedda_foil Jul 2018 #26
that's interesting. mopinko Jul 2018 #16
Der Fuher also received steady funds from publication of 'Mein Kamp' appalachiablue Jul 2018 #19
Besides lazy he's unimaginative & unoriginal, poaches successful past things, like "America First" UTUSN Jul 2018 #13
trump and hitler are interchangeable, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #20
Hitler wasn't a draft dodger. Dave Starsky Jul 2018 #28
I meant in the speeches they give and their mannerisms, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #40
I think he's a dead ringer for Mussolini. Dave Starsky Jul 2018 #41
I think trump is borrowng hitlers speeches and using them, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #42
Please, please, tell me the name of the documentary you watched. And a link if possible. hedda_foil Jul 2018 #25
It was "The World at War" catbyte Jul 2018 #46
WOW,catbyte! Thank you SO much. This is terrific! hedda_foil Jul 2018 #47
You're very welcome! There's one more, it's an HBO/BBC dramatization of the Wannsee catbyte Jul 2018 #48
I remember it from when it was first shown. A really excellent dramatization. hedda_foil Jul 2018 #49
K & R blue-wave Jul 2018 #29
Deplorables aren't nice people, they are "unredeemable". nt oasis Jul 2018 #30
The thing is that when Hitler Turbineguy Jul 2018 #39
The US lost WWII. Mendocino Jul 2018 #44
You know what scares me. Blue_true Jul 2018 #51
Someone like (VP) Pence? TryLogic Jul 2018 #54
Yes, he fits the description. Blue_true Jul 2018 #59
The forces that are pushing the agenda of the Right are very well moneyed. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #52
Perfect: Greed Over People, GOP TryLogic Jul 2018 #55
What if the NRA riverbendviewgal Jul 2018 #56
Also not fooled Jul 2018 #57
I suspect that Russia wants the US to look and sound a lot like Nazi Germany so that when McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #60
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
1. If you ever wondered what you'd have done in Nazi Germany,
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jul 2018

all you have to do is look at what you're doing now.

No offense but I have to confess I'm alarmed by your wait and see attitude. YOU CANNOT count on his incompetence. He's got plenty of helpers who aren't quite so incompetent.

Further, he's inches away from a lock on the Americans' ability to resist. He's packing the courts with rightwing ideologues, and if he gets that SCOTUS pick and even more of them, we're done.

Even more: if Republicans don't start standing up to him, so much more damage can be done it's incalculable.

AND finally, the 2018 election. I am very fearful about nothing (almost nothing) being done. All Russia has to do is figure out (or get told) which key races matter -- esp. in the Senate -- and that's potentially over for us too.

It's not enough to wait and see if and when other Americans "rise up." We've got to rise up NOW. I'm not physically able to do much more at this point than pellet my MoC with faxes (and sometimes phone calls):

Call 24/7: 202-224-3121
Free Faxes (can incl up to 3 pages attached) to Senators: https://faxzero.com/fax_senate.php
Free Faxes (ditto) to Congress: https://faxzero.com/fax_congress.php
TEXT your faxes: Text RESIST to 50409
Write your MoC - DEMOCRACY.IO https://democracy.io/#/

Soon I think I'll try to find at least one campaign to do some phone calling for.

AND, I continue to try to raise awareness and push for paper ballots:

ICYMI -- BOMBSHELL - ATTN Naysayers who think elections can't be stolen via machines -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210885412

and also this post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10893190

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
10. we were complacent in WISCONSIN
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:24 PM
Jul 2018

and our state will never be the same...not in my lifetime.. one million % agree with you. We are calling folks who have been purged to get them back on the voting rolls...at HQ every day...Random, we got a lot of "watchers' in America I am afraid. Let Russia turn off our electricity and heat and banks and they will notice REAL fast.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
43. Illinois has just barely escaped the same fate by the skin of our teeth ... so far.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:22 PM
Jul 2018

The billionaire Republican Rauner was elected in 2016 thanks to an overwhelming ad budget that allowed him to present himself as a centrist almost-Democrat. In fact, he had freely admitted -- though almost no-one noticed or understood -- that his role model was Scott Walker.

The Dems held onto both houses with a veto proof majority that refused to pass Rauner's Kochist budget for three years, and finally maneuvered him into a compromise that kept the schools open. It's led to a complete financial shambles and an almost junk-grade credit rating, but it's VERY unlikely Rauner will win re-election this year.

The Democratic candidate, J.B. Pritzger is another billionaire, like Rauner, who has been willing to pay for wall to wall TV ads for the past full year. Whether he'll turn out to be a con in Dem clothing remains a possibility imho, but I seem to be alone in that opinion. If he is really committed to Democratic principles, Illinois' course can be corrected.

What concerns me even more is that the Trumpist/Russipublicans will steal this election at the state level. Illinois is the state most affected by 2016 Russian hacking even though they don't seem to have used their advantage here yet. But 2018 is the year each state elects the politicians who will conduct the 2020 redistricting. So even true blue Illinois may not remain safe.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. The Pritzer family have been rock solid democrats all along.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:32 AM
Jul 2018

His sister was one of President Obama's early supporters, when his 2008 campaign was still just a dream. I don't you have to worry about the wolf is sheep's clothing with Jay.

h2ebits

(632 posts)
11. What is happening in our country
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jul 2018

I am mostly a lurker on DU but I read this long article (review of book) and it hit home. We need to look at the long game that is and has been going on in our country for some time. Trump is the chief of marketing--propaganda is the real word but it has been softened into the term "marketing" for some time. He looks the fool for constantly changing his mind but the actual strategy is to test trial balloons of what we will tolerate. Push back HARD on all of his crap is needed and needed now.

I urge you to read the article I have posted here and feel free to pass it along to everyone you know.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america#

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Terrifying article. Thanks for posting.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

You should post more often. I would highly recommend the posted link.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
34. Thanks
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jul 2018

Terrible article. I'd actually read about this guy before, but --- the whole subject definitely needs more exposure.

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
15. I too am fearful about the 2018 election.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jul 2018

I contact my members of congress regularly. I’m sure that they’re tired of hearing from me, and I do not get as many emails as I once did thanking me for my comments and assuring me that they were working 100% to improve the lives of all Americans, yada, yada, yada—all my members of congress are Republicans so I mostly feel as though I’m just talking in the wind. I’ll continue to be an annoyance, though. My next contact will be an email to Ted Cruz summarizing known Russian contacts by the Trump campaign and Trump’s exxagerated favortism for Putin. I have some questions for Mr. Cruz after I mention that I am a Texas voter who will be casting a vote in November.
1. Given Mueller’s indictments of Russian operatives to date and overwhelming evidence from multiple sources, U.S. and foreign, and Trump’s behaviors that benefit Russia rather than the U.S. (alienation of allies, efforts to destroy NATO, refusal to call Putin out over Crimea and Ukraine, refusal to criticize Putin while at the same time publicly attacking allies like Angela Merkel), what will you do and by when to protect the United States from Russian influence over the president (toothless resolutions are useless)?
2. If Mueller’s final report proves that Trump and his campaign staff are guilty of conspiring with the Russians during the 2016 election, will you pledge to support hearings and impeachment? If not, why?
3. Given the traditional Republican support for free trade and the importance of global trade to the health of our economy, what are you doing to address Trump’s unwinnable trade war with China, the EU, Mexico, and Canada? The Constitution clearly gives Congress the power to regulate commerce and thus tariffs. Will you commit to introducing and helping pass a bill in Congress before the November election to take back control of levying tariffs? If not, why not?

Every Republican running for reelection needs to be asked questions like this, including why they refuse to make a commitment to protect NATO and our allies as well as the health of our economy. Yes, we can all predict their answers, but at least questions like this put them on notice that voting public expects that will do something instead of just shrugging their shoulders.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. I have heard many times that those contacts DO make a difference
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jul 2018

Congress members do pay attention to the volume of phone calls/emails, for or against an issue.

The only problem is that those Repubs who are not running again have little reason to change their minds.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
23. I'll tell ya what I'M doing.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jul 2018

Today alone. It's Saturday. I go over to the home of one of the co-chairs of our Indivisible group, and we write up the next Call to Action email for the coming week. I already have notes from a couple of the state campaigns about neighborhood canvassing that's scheduled for NEXT weekend. Gonna add it to the events in the second half of the C.T.A. email. There are "Resist Trump Tuedays" alternating between Senators Ron Wyden's and Jeff Merkley's offices in Portland, and those are detailed, too. I'm in that little committee in our Indivisible group, and it's my regular weekend activity now.

I do other stuff, too. But that's one on the schedule every weekend, without fail. Only takes a couple of hours and the company and conversation (and sometimes the random snacks, too) are terrific!

I've recommended the Indivisible movement here before. I'll do it again. ANY TIME, I'll do it again.

- You gather with other activists and interested and INFORMED citizens of like mind - who also happen to give a damn(!);

- you learn more and become better informed yourself; you extend your own circle of friends and activists - because most of these folks are also connected to other Democratic/liberal/progressive groups in the area and in the state;

- you find out about other efforts, campaigns, precinct walking and doorbell-ringing, phone-banking, protest rallies and marches that all have their arms wide open to welcome you and plug you in;

- you meet your reps or their deputies and go on the record, taking your issues and priorities directly to them face-to-face;

- sometimes you meet new people who are running for local/state/national office and you can talk to them, find out about their priorities, and hand-deliver YOUR priorities personally and directly;

- and best of all, you're not just sitting home getting depressed about how shitty things are now, as a Russian satellite country whose so-called "president" just handed you over to a proven and documented longtime hostile foreign power.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
35. YES!
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jul 2018

A major reason for Republican success is that they organized at the precinct level, without fail, all year round, not just at election time.
Plus of course at their many state level groups.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
37. +1 Indivisible is great --
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jul 2018

I recommend it frequently too.

Indivisible.org

Everyone should find their local group -- every single Congressional district has at least one group. Most (all?) have Facebook groups.

dubyadiprecession

(5,620 posts)
2. the parallels Between Trump and the Hitler are very similar.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jul 2018

Hitler was angered at European nations for implementing of the versailles treaty for peace at The end of world war 1. When he came to power, he broke the treaty after coming to power and shortly after invaded Poland with the help of the Russians.

keithbvadu2

(36,367 posts)
7. Two differences come to mind...
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jul 2018

Hitler actually served in the military (no bone spurs) and there has not been made mention of him gaining personal wealth from his office.

Personal power - definitely.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. I've read a lot about the rise of the Nazis
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:12 PM
Jul 2018

The causes and conditions are very very complicated, going all the way back to the rise of nationalism in Europe, a middle class, a corrupt and weak nobility, industrialism, and the labor movement. Germany was a developed country that was completely exhausted by WWI and its aftermath of tariffs and war reparations. It had a long and rich culture of art, literature, music, and philosophy. But what essentially went wrong is that there was super-hyper inflation, no jobs, a world-wide depression, and people were hungry and homeless. The capitalist industrialists early supported the Nazis, thinking that they could control Hitler. And of course, too many of regular people fell for the demagoguery and racist rhetoric. The parallels to what is happening in our country is scarey. And we'd better damn well do something about it.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
14. The key is demagoguery. As Aristotle concluded it usually results in tyranny and dictatorship.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jul 2018

Aristotle also concluded from his extensive study of governments that a functioning democracy is dependent of a thriving middle class and is well informed of the issues. Both of which have been under attack by the Republican Party dating from Reagan. Our situation is no where as dire as was Germany's, but it does have some of the same elements that have been seized by Trump such a employment and immigration. His solutions are delusional. He is just another in a long line of demagogues that capitalize on the ignorance of the under educated and ill and misinformed who are easy prey for propaganda scapegoating minorities for every problem they can't actually provide with a solution.

I see where Pompeo is calling for a massive religious conference. Just another example of warping themselves in the flag and carrying a cross. What is ludicrous is that he attack President Obama calling him a Muslim and Communist. He obviously equated being a Muslim with someone to shunned adding Communist to what he considered slander. He is an avowed racist just like the man he serves.

I feel that it is imperative that the Democrats win a majority in at least the House or the Senate and hopefully both. If we fail the consequences may prove to be catastrophic. Michael Moore correctly predicted that Trump would win and is predicting that he believes that Trump will be reelected. He hopes not and so do those on this board. Hopefully the latest fiasco's will be enough to convince people that their future is in serious jeopardy and they will soundly defeat the Republicans. I am convinced that the Republican Party has moved so far into the fascist camp that it must be destroyed or undergo a massive rejuvenation.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
17. I read somewhere that the 3 great hatreds of Islamic jihadists were
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:55 PM
Jul 2018

Pompeo calling Obama a Muslim and a Communist is just stupid and illogical.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
24. I see you wrote "warping themselves in the flag and carrying a cross" in your second paragraph.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jul 2018

It may be a typo - and you may have meant "wrapping themselves..." BUT DON'T CHANGE IT! It actually works. It's a good descriptive verb that really kinda spells out the bottom-line here. They and their understanding of current events are indeed WARPED AS ALL HELL.

It's PERFECT as is, olegramps! It's even better and far more accurate like it is!

SemiHalfling

(53 posts)
5. I watched 'WWII in HD Colour' right around when Trump's NATO trashing started
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jul 2018

Uncanny similarities. The Russian influence campaign has probably gone on much longer than just this one election, this is likely a culmination of a decades long strategy. Trump is essentially using news and policy to Blitzkrieg our democratic system and paralyze our leaders.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
6. It wast russia
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jul 2018

It was conservatism, the GOP. 45 just took the whip from the Republican Party. Russians just started tapping in the last several years.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
8. The willingness to abandon Communism by Russia was not an accident.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jul 2018

Russian goals have not changed that much from the time of the Czars through Communism. American Democracy may be headed for the trash heap. Anyone who has the power to incinerate the planet is NOT a regional power.

Toorich

(391 posts)
9. Hitler's minions took care of him....
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jul 2018

... by certain emoluments. At one point his face was put on the Reich postage stamps and he received a royalty on every stamp sold.
I keep waiting for the tangerine turd to put his mug on our stamps.

mopinko

(69,806 posts)
16. that's interesting.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jul 2018

i inherited a stamp collection from that era. there were a bunch of what they call "hitler heads". no idea what the value of the stamps was at the time, but they seemed to be a very small denomination. i thought that odd.
now i know why. thanks.

appalachiablue

(41,053 posts)
19. Der Fuher also received steady funds from publication of 'Mein Kamp'
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

his lousy 1920s book that newlywed couples and other good Germans were required to have. A profit seeker early on..

UTUSN

(70,496 posts)
13. Besides lazy he's unimaginative & unoriginal, poaches successful past things, like "America First"
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jul 2018

(I'm talking "successful" in terms of advertising, not in agreement with their ideological content.)




yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
20. trump and hitler are interchangeable,
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jul 2018

every time I watch a hitler documentary I always think how much he and trump are alike.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
42. I think trump is borrowng hitlers speeches and using them,
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:18 PM
Jul 2018

and the german people would follow hitler anywhere and swear allegiance to him, just like trump followers.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
25. Please, please, tell me the name of the documentary you watched. And a link if possible.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jul 2018

I'm preparing a class on the lead up to the Holocaust and have been searching for one like you describe.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

catbyte

(34,170 posts)
46. It was "The World at War"
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jul 2018

My dad fought in WWII, so I'm somewhat of a WWII buff. I believe it's only available only on DVD & Blu-ray. It's the finest documentary of WWII I've ever seen. Here's a link to Amazon:

https://smile.amazon.com/World-at-War-Laurence-Olivier/dp/B0002F6AH0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1532216346&sr=8-1&keywords=the+world+at+war+dvd+box+set

There are a few good documentaries on YouTube also:

Hitler and the Decisions for the Final Solution: Christopher Browning (lecture)



The Rise of the Third Reich


The Fall of the Third Reich


Adolf Hitler's rise to power to the fall of Berlin Hitler in Colour
&t=146s

Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Part 1 (William L. Shirer)


Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Part 2


Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Part 3


And, of, course, if you've never seen it, the greatest propaganda film ever made:

Leni Riefenstahl: Triumph of the Will (1935)


I hope that gets you started. Good luck!

catbyte

(34,170 posts)
48. You're very welcome! There's one more, it's an HBO/BBC dramatization of the Wannsee
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:52 PM
Jul 2018

Conference and it's very well done. Here's an abominable copy from YouTube, but if you have access to HBO On Demand, I suggest you watch it there or buy or rent a decent copy of it.




Here's a chilling clip from it:



Please PM me if I can be of further help.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
49. I remember it from when it was first shown. A really excellent dramatization.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jul 2018

I don't have HBO but may be able to get a better copy through the college. I've been promising myself to do this class for almost two years. You've helped enormously.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. You know what scares me.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:43 AM
Jul 2018

63 million Americans voted for a vile racist buffoon. Imagine what could happen if a smooth talking, competent looking evil bastard ran? That person would have a base of 63 million voters who have learned NOTHING and are still filled with hate.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
59. Yes, he fits the description.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jul 2018

But I think that out of stupidity, he won't disengage from Trump soon enough. Trump lick Putin's butt, guess who licks Trump's.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
52. The forces that are pushing the agenda of the Right are very well moneyed.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:55 AM
Jul 2018

G = Greed
O = Over
P = People

riverbendviewgal

(4,251 posts)
56. What if the NRA
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:20 AM
Jul 2018

Is Putin's covert army ready to keep Trump in power? Many are in the military, law enforcement . They have lots of weapons and are trained.

He put lots of money into Republicans and the NRA.

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
57. Also
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jul 2018

Hitler's Circle of Evil, a 10-part documentary/recreation showing the roles played by the people surrounding him.

Chilling parallels to the current dysfunctional WH:



McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
60. I suspect that Russia wants the US to look and sound a lot like Nazi Germany so that when
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 08:34 PM
Jul 2018

Russia stabs us in the back, it can say it was putting down another Nazi Germany. However, there are basic cultural and economic difference between Germany then and the United States now. If we ever get fascism, it will be much more like Italian fascism under Mussolini.

BTW, do not understand why the Neo-Nazis and Aryan Nationalists in this country have such a hard on for Putin and Russia. Russia does not love the American Nazi Party. Russia is using the American Nazi Party. Russia loves its own nationalists--and they are Russian nationalists, not Nazis. The only thing they have in common is they are both sort of pasty faced.

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