Maclean's magazine from Canada: "Is it time for Canada to annex Blue America?"

[roamer65]

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https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/is-it-time-for-canada-to-annex-blue-america/

Never thought in a million years I would see such an article in a mainstream news magazine. But then we live in the disaster zone of Dump, so we have definitely gone down the rabbit hole.

The author actually makes some really good points and many are actually truer now than in October 2017 when it was written.

IMO, a scenario like this one could very well happen if the midterms are stolen.

[lapfog_1]

1. I'm ok with her majesty...

and I love the BBC

so bring it on

[thucythucy]

2. Seems only fair.

If Trump supports Putin's idea for a "referendum" for western Ukraine, how about one for New England, New York, the west coast, Illinois, and whatever other states want to consider leaving?

PS -- Maybe we should never have left in the first place?

[hlthe2b]

3. I've long thought CA, OR, WA, CO and NM--should align... on the west

I'd be fine to be part of Canada, quite frankly.

[MurrayDelph]

5. Me, too

Right now it's 250 miles to the nearest Tim Horton's.

If I were rich-enough (or had the right marketable skills), I'd be living there now.

[DownriverDem]

26. Minutes away

Tim Horton's is less than 5 minutes from my house here in Michigan. I also live minutes from the Canadian border - Windsor Ontario. I often look longingly across the Detroit River. My French Canadian roots on my father's side go back to the 1600s. Sadly I can't claim dual citizenship because my father was born in Detroit.

[dflprincess]

88. There's one at the Mall of America here

and I drive past that going to and from work everyday.

[Sneederbunk]

13. Hawaii too.

[hlthe2b]

14. YES! Most definitely

[kpete]

19. Mahalo

[thucythucy]

16. Massachusetts, Vermont,

New York City...

[hlthe2b]

17. I figured there'd be a west and East/NE alliance (with perhaps a mid Atlantic state or two)

Though I'd have no problem joining them all.

[Quemado]

61. +1

for New Mexico!

[Wwcd]

4. Ok. CANADA can annex Blue States. They will be larger than the US & we can do business with

our usual trade partners & belong to NATO & keep our friendly allies.


I'll go in a heartbeat. Which State do I need to move to so I can resume my normal life again?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. United States of Canada and JesusLand

[TrogL]

29. I'm in Alberta. Things have changed since this map first came out

We’ve currently got a progressive New Democratic Party in power.

[Saguaro]

67. No matter how conservative Alberta is or might have been...

... it's simply wrong to lump it in with the US Bible Belt. The PCs in Canada may be the right of center party, but there's no comparison with US conservatism.

[phylny]

56. Looks like blue Virginia isn't included

in the United States of Canada map. We're blue and getting bluer!

[Meowmee]

95. 😹😹😹

I wonder if it could happen?

[onecaliberal]

80. I would do it too. In an instant.

[Wwcd]

81. I just want to go "home" & resume my life.

[onecaliberal]

86. I hope it happens for you.

[Wwcd]

89. To us all... hoping we all find our way back to our lives before Trump

I miss that .
He's ruined everything good.

sigh..

[onecaliberal]

90. Indeed he has. My biggest fear is we can't turn back and what will all his supporters do?

[Wwcd]

91. I know! We have to put them somewhere..but where?

[onecaliberal]

92. Russia is a great place for them.

[floppyboo]

93. build a wall? ;)

[Garrett78]

6. As long as funding is provided to help people relocate.

Living in CA as we do, my wife and I (and my in-laws) would be fine. But there are a lot of people who would want to relocate and don't have the means to do so.

Of course, Red America would quickly become destitute. And that's not hyperbole. Red America would be in immense trouble.

[kimbutgar]

9. And red states would become so angry and destitue we are doing well that they would want

Invade us and try to take over.

There’s a book written in 1975 Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach how the west coast stays aligned to create a stable state eco system and Canada was involved. The western statues aligned because those states in the middle became unstable because they were stagnant. The story was kind of out there but remains in my mind.

[Mr.Bill]

34. The wall we would have to construct would be a massive project.

[Laffy Kat]

53. Of course, Canada would make the US pay for it.

[OliverQ]

7. Yes please. I would gladly support this.

Because let's be honest. The situation in America will get worse unless we can Amend the Constitution and get rid of the electoral college.

Sadly I just don't see this ever happening.

[Crunchy Frog]

8. Yes please!

[NickB79]

10. Minnesota has Tim Hortons now

We're halfway there already!

[SnowCritter]

24. Got one a little over a mile down the street

Coffee is good, but I wasn't impressed with the doughnut selection. However, I got there after church (about 10:30 A.M.) and it was pretty well picked through by then.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. And a lot of restaurants in Minneapolis serve poutine.

Come and take us, Canada. Please.

[hermetic]

11. I'm in favor!

I lived there once before and would gladly do it again.

[alwaysinasnit]

12. YES. But we need to include Hawaii. I am sure the folks there would be happy to come along.

[Bayard]

15. I think I'd rather stay and fight for this country

[MarvinGardens]

59. Damn right! (nt)

[KT2000]

18. Yes, please.

the state of Washington would be a good addition to British Columbia.

[roamer65]

76. Cascadia.

[KT2000]

78. Yes!!

[NastyRiffraff]

20. I never ever thought I'd say this

but I think this might be a good idea, IF the midterms are stolen. Because if they are, that's the end of democracy in America.

[WePurrsevere]

21. Sounds good to me since my heart is there already. I have a lot of family up there and...

long before I knew my paternal side (and 1/4 of my maternal) was up there I was very drawn to the country and wanted to live there. Now that I know I have a family that truly want me there that longing is even stronger. Besides, it would make getting my birthright of Canadian citizenship back so much easier. :-D

[MarcA]

22. Actually a good idea. Empires could and have realigned ever century or so.

Let's face it, the U.S. government is institutionally and structurally designed
to be a Plutocracy. Other places would not be perfect but at least the government
is not designed to be anti-democratic. As mentioned elsewhere, we would have to
beware of those hungry and greedy eyes cast by those of a failed and backward
system who would try to invade and force freedumb on us.

[Lonestarblue]

25. I would have to move, but I'm ready!

What’s the most southern blue state that could be annexed? Maybe Virginia? I am definitely not a cold weather fan, and my bones are not getting any younger!

[MarcA]

27. New Mexico, California, Hawaii. n/t

[guillaumeb]

28. At one time, upper Canada included Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois.

And part of Wisconsin.

[luvtheGWN]

35. We'll need a new name, folks

How about The United Provinces and States of Canada? (Or The United States and Provinces of Canada). Or maybe just Canada, because I forgot about the Territories -- oops, my bad. SORRY!!!

[roamer65]

79. Nope, just stick with Canada.

You would have the new provinces of New England and New York pretty quickly. New Jersey would soon follow.

Canada would take NY and New England readily as it would give a land route to the Maritime provinces in the event of Quebec separation.

[Mendocino]

30. I only live about 45 miles

from Canadian waters, about an hour from Windsor. I'm ready. I would move to Canada now except for the immigration laws there.

[Iliyah]

31. Hey, they want California to ditch the USA and join Canada . . .

[leftieNanner]

32. A fine idea! And let's not forget the #1 item -

NO FOX NEWS in Canada! As I understand it, there is a law that requires any "news" organization to tell the truth. What a concept, eh?

Would this mean that I would have to learn a new pronunciation for the words house and mouse?

[luvtheGWN]

41. Yes, news organizations are required to tell the truth.

As for pronunciation -- hey, we have different regional pronunciations but the secret to words like house, mouse, out and about is that we don't draw out the "ou". Most Americans like to add sort of an extra syllable -- sort of an elongated "AOWWW".

[leftieNanner]

49. I had a roommate from college who used the Canadian pronunciation

But she was from Sacramento, California. Go figure.

[applegrove]

33. Let's not give Trump any ideas about messing with geopolitics at home in North America.

As much as I love California and NY, and all in between, talk of sesssion and or annexation leads to twisted lives. Unless your culture is in decline and you are willing to put up with economic bad times to save it, don't start talking about leaving. Why look at what talk of separation did to the South for 150 years.

[beachbum bob]

36. Nice...the red states would never survive..

[riverbendviewgal]

37. My Canadian opinion.

Most Canadians would be comfortable wil you DUrs. We do have our own conservatives though, some are like the republicans. Nasty. They are mostly in the middle of Canada, like you midwest.
We would love to have Hawaii. I always wanted to go there. These days I go to Cuba.

How about Puerto Rico too?. We have two official languages. I think we can handle one more.
We have the Little Apple (toronto) like your Big Apple, NYC. Lots of diversity. Provincial One payer health care too.

We got a lot of land and a lot of water.


You know, this article was written in October 2017 but not much has changed. Most Canadians still love Obama and our prime minister Trudeau.

Maybe when it gets worse you can come as a refugee.

[Mr.Bill]

57. If you annex California

you are taking on dozens of languages. Don't worry, though, we already know how to make it work.

[riverbendviewgal]

62. We are a country of immigrants

And aboriginals. The big cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver have over 100 languages spoken. I am most familiar with Toronto.

[rawhideal]

38. Just got back

from a visit. Love it. Got me some Obama cookies from the market in Ottawa.

[Stonepounder]

39. In the map above (Post #23) it looks like Indiana would go to Canada.

Don't think so. But if it did we we would be moving down the road so fast...

We're only about 15 mi from the KY/IN border. I could definitely get behind applying for Canadian citizenship.

[rurallib]

40. I think we need to have at least a couple of honest elections under our belts

to determine where the lines really ought to be.

By honest elections I mean no machines - hand marked paper ballots counted in the open.
I think we would be surprised how many areas are really blue.

But strangely, I was just thinking about this very thing.

[OMGWTF]

42. I already tell people that in my next life I'm going to be Canadian

I would LOVE it!!! Universal healthcare, a sane president and soon … legal weed!

[pangaia]

43. PLEASE PLEASE, come take New York....

We have corn, soy beans, great veggies, APPLES!

Great baseball teams---

And the Metropolitan Opera !!!!!!!!!!!

[Different Drummer]

44. Even though I'm not a cold weather fan...

I would gladly move from Jesusland (GA) to the United States of Canada!

[FuzzyRabbit]

45. Let's not get too hasty about joining Canada.

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As much as I like the idea there is one detail that might put the kibosh on the whole deal.

As an added bonus, our schools teach evolution and use metric.

There it is: Metric!

As an American, I can tell you that only a small handful of Americans would be willing to go metric. Not that we hate the metric system, we just can't understand it. It is very confusing. We have been trying to understand the metric system since the 1970s, but it just hasn't caught on.

[StarryNite]

48. It's a small price to pay!

[roamer65]

77. We buy pop/soda in liters, but gas by the gallon...

[Quemado]

46. Yes but

please annex New Mexico. We are going Blue!

[StarryNite]

47. I'm in!

I'm sick of this shit we are being put through! O Canada!

[leftieNanner]

50. O Canada!

My old Sweet Adelines chorus sang the national anthem at a SF Giants game and since they were playing a team from up north, we had to learn the Canadian anthem too.

So I'm good to go.

Frankly, in my more panicky moments these past 18 months, I have thought about where I should live - other than the United States of Trump - and then when I calm down I think "Damn it! I'm gonna stay and fight!"

[stonecutter357]

51. Hell NO I live in Alabama , if I have fight left in me so should YOU Blue America!

[Blue_true]

71. How do you make Churchill's pronounced about fighting the Nazis and never surrendering

in Alabama southern?

[stonecutter357]

74. like this ?

[Blue_true]

75. Works for me. nt

[Laffy Kat]

54. Wow! Could you imagine the migration north?

I would move in a heartbeat.

[smirkymonkey]

55. I'd be on board.

I think most of New England would be except for some strongholds in NH and Maine.

[flotsam]

58. I'm from New Hampshire and always wanted to be a Southerner!

We could use the Confederate battle flag but with maple leafs instead of stars and say things Like "Y'all would like some delicious pancakes with real maple syrup, eh?"...

[ThoughtCriminal]

60. "Jesusland" would be incredibly dangerous

Without the Blue States to keep things in check (and funded), Jim Crow would be unrestrained, sexism and racism would become "Protected" and the plutocracy without restraint.

Belligerent, religiously insane, and heavily armed with conventional and nuclear weapons. As the economy inevitably imploded from economic disparity and brain drain, Jesusland would look to scapegoats (minorities and the more prosperous Canadian States). Military solutions would almost certainly be considered because it is the only thing they think they know how to do well.

[Quemado]

64. I thought the same thing

would happen.

Jesusland would spiral down to some kind of sewer. Laden with debt, no one in their right mind would lend money to it to finance its imperial military overstretch.

[Blue_true]

72. The thing about weapons is technology can render them useless.

The blue Canadian states would have far better schools that product scientists and engineers. Weapons would be invented that would make red America look like cavemen fighting against the most advanced weapon today, even if the red staters had nukes and other present weapons.

[Mr.Bill]

65. I would bet money

they would reinstitute slavery.

[Blue_true]

73. What POC in their right mind would stay there?

What Muslim would stay there? For people like that, staying in such a hellhole would be tantamount to suicide.

[Yavin4]

94. "Belligerent, religiously insane, and heavily armed with conventional and nuclear weapons. "

Sounds just like North Korea.

[Autumn]

63. Count me in!

[Vinca]

66. It works for me.

[Saguaro]

69. Belief in science, free healthcare, Tim Horton's, intelligent leaders, and federally legal pot.

Sounds like a win-win to me!

[blueinredohio]

70. I'm far away but I can move anytime

[NCjack]

82. Yes. Now we are getting somewhere with some good ideas. Here is another:

Let's seize Mexico, divide it into several states, and we can forget that damn wall.

[roamer65]

87. Or just form a North American Confederation.

We are all norteamericanos anyway.

[struggle4progress]

83. They want our cities but not our countryside? It makes no sense.

Or maybe they want our women but not our men?

[nolabear]

84. I am two hours from the border. Take me!!!!

[shanny]

85. I've been hoping for some time that they would invade.

Spread some democracy, and stuff.

[appalachiablue]

96. I've always wanted to use my French more too. :) Democracy,

good governance, nice people, no gun crazies, safe banks, universal health care, affordable college, 35% unionization, No. 1 Middle Class, evolution and science taught in schools. And cooler, esp. with more rising temperatures and weather disturbances coming from climate change. I liked Vancouver and Windsor even on short trips there.

What's not to love? Sign me up.