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Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:13 PM Jul 2018

If Dems could just pull in 3 to 5% more in rural areas we would be invincible

The other day I posted that I was in Dallas, TX and I must have seen 100 Beto signs and zero Cruz signs. This was happening in wealthy areas like Highland Park. Yet Beto still trails Cruz by 9 points in Texas because rural areas vote Republican at some absurd rate like 75% to 25%. Somehow the Democratic Party needs to start working on ways to peel off just a few rural voters to close the enormous gap that is overwhelming the city votes. I really think we need to consider putting a Democratic Cowboy as the VP candidate. Someone like Brian Schweitzer maybe? Having grown up in New Mexico with Democratic Gov. Bruce King who people loved in New Mexico even when the state used to be red back in the 1970's, 80's and 90's, I am telling you, if you can put someone in that knows how to shoot the breeze and talk to rural folks you can start making progress in closing the gap. I am sure there are many rural issues we could do better with as well but it takes someone who they can relate to to deliver the message.



Here are some notable Cowboy Democrats who were very popular and this is the look we need:

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If Dems could just pull in 3 to 5% more in rural areas we would be invincible (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2018 OP
Keep dreaming. Rural folks hate democrats. We would be better off focusing on non voters in Trust Buster Jul 2018 #1
I disagree 10000000% Obama even won 45% of the rural vote Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #2
Exactly....and Obama won without putting on a cowboy hat and boots..... vi5 Jul 2018 #5
Obama lost support from 2008 to 2012 to Romney JI7 Jul 2018 #12
They are not worth the time. There were so many registered democrats that did not vote in 2016. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #8
No rock should be left unturned in ANY election, especially the next two elections Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #13
Bush didn't beg for votes . Bush was Pro Immigration. he won Muslims also JI7 Jul 2018 #16
Your right we just give up Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #36
who said give up ? they support cuts in regulations JI7 Jul 2018 #39
And that's what lost the last election frontierjoe Jul 2018 #15
no, it was russia, comey . JI7 Jul 2018 #17
okay frontierjoe Jul 2018 #24
Wasting time and money trying to convert Trumpster Dumpsters ? Trust Buster Jul 2018 #21
We are not converting anyone frontierjoe Jul 2018 #28
Bingo! nt Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #31
We should not want them back. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #32
In a national election we need them back frontierjoe Jul 2018 #40
Their are millions of registered democrats who didn't vote that are much more worthwhile in the Trust Buster Jul 2018 #42
Ok, so write off 2/3 of the land mass. BlueWI Jul 2018 #55
There are a lot of democratic votes in rural. rockfordfile Jul 2018 #58
Radio. We need liberal radio. That is how we can draw a lot of rural voters. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #29
3% crazycatlady Jul 2018 #30
Why not both? Blue_true Jul 2018 #37
Interesting post, thanx. I think there are existing & redeemable rural areas. appalachiablue Jul 2018 #3
That always comes across as pandering.... vi5 Jul 2018 #4
You may be right but we HAVE to do something to court rural voters and court them hard. Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #7
Obama won during the Recession JI7 Jul 2018 #18
No it isn't. Blue_true Jul 2018 #41
Trumps tariff taxes, GOP attack on social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI beachbum bob Jul 2018 #6
I live in a rural county in eastern KY. In the May primary, Dems were voting 2 to 1 over Repukes. Meadowoak Jul 2018 #9
From my perspective, in red Va, think we are better off getting our voters to the polls Va Lefty Jul 2018 #10
We are not trying to reach Trump voters. Blue_true Jul 2018 #43
Beto is only two behind vercetti2021 Jul 2018 #11
He is hitting a lot of in the sticks towns, getting blue voters excited. Blue_true Jul 2018 #44
Every district vercetti2021 Jul 2018 #50
He seems to understand how to win. Blue_true Jul 2018 #54
He does vercetti2021 Jul 2018 #60
I really hope he is keeping his pants on and not making sexually suggestive comments. Blue_true Jul 2018 #65
Beto doesn't strike me as a cheater vercetti2021 Jul 2018 #66
I hope. Blue_true Jul 2018 #67
yeah, because Ted Cruz is such a Cowboy JI7 Jul 2018 #14
That is probably part of why Cruz is vulnerable in Texas, because he doesn't seem rural Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #23
no, it's not those voters which are hurting Cruz JI7 Jul 2018 #26
We are not trying to get haters to vote for us, they never will. Blue_true Jul 2018 #46
they should vote every time. relying to excitement will not work JI7 Jul 2018 #52
We need a presence on AM talk radio even if it's just running ads YessirAtsaFact Jul 2018 #19
they have access to other media. they are familiar with liberal media JI7 Jul 2018 #20
What about billboards? crazycatlady Jul 2018 #33
why didn't they vote for Russ Feingold ? JI7 Jul 2018 #22
We are not expecting to get 30% of them. We just need to close the gap by say 5 to 10% Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #25
there aren't unlimited resources. there are already many good reasons to vote for Beto JI7 Jul 2018 #27
How often did Feingold go into the sticks to campaign. Blue_true Jul 2018 #48
there is nothing exciting about ted cruz and most republicans JI7 Jul 2018 #49
I did not say they were exciting, but in 2016, they showed up in out of the Blue_true Jul 2018 #53
I think the Feingold campaign was a stand pat BlueWI Jul 2018 #57
I made that point yesterday. Blue_true Jul 2018 #34
If Trump keeps on screwing farmers, it just might happen. appleannie1943 Jul 2018 #35
K&R NCTraveler Jul 2018 #38
If we could help more African Americans get to the polls, we'd have more than enough EffieBlack Jul 2018 #45
Effie, we look for solid blue voters in those places. Blue_true Jul 2018 #51
Why is this point made as a binary? BlueWI Jul 2018 #56
Read my whole post EffieBlack Jul 2018 #61
I did read your whole post. BlueWI Jul 2018 #62
Nice try at deflection EffieBlack Jul 2018 #63
Substance free response. BlueWI Jul 2018 #68
With Trumps skills on tarrifs, soon they will be losing their farms RainCaster Jul 2018 #47
I'm from a district that TheFarseer Jul 2018 #59
That's the real trick isn't it? fescuerescue Jul 2018 #64
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
1. Keep dreaming. Rural folks hate democrats. We would be better off focusing on non voters in
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:21 PM
Jul 2018

urban areas IMO.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
2. I disagree 10000000% Obama even won 45% of the rural vote
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jul 2018

There are a good chunk of rural voters who are swing voters.

Snip: When Barack Obama won the presidency in 2008, he took 45 percent of the rural vote nationwide. In Iowa, a state that is often seen as a bellwether for measuring the sentiments of farm country and small-town America, Obama carried the rural regions of the state. Of the state’s 99 counties, Obama won 53.

When Hillary Clinton lost the presidency in 2016, she secured just 33 percent of the rural vote nationwide. In Iowa, Clinton lost the rural regions of the state by 30 points. The Democrat carried just six of the state’s 99 counties.

https://www.thenation.com/article/guy-iowa-knows-democrats-can-win-back-rural-america/

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
5. Exactly....and Obama won without putting on a cowboy hat and boots.....
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:31 PM
Jul 2018

....he won it by effectively and clearly selling them on progressive policies.

The issue is that whereas he was the one who sold them during the campaign, after in office he relied on too many other folks who were not nearly as good as him to sell them on what was actually accomplished and that's where we lost those folks.

He had too much faith in the media and the various institutional bodies to do that for him and they failed. All of us.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
12. Obama lost support from 2008 to 2012 to Romney
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jul 2018

iowa was closer in 2012 than 2008. and mccain had a history of being hostile to many iowa voters with bragging about opposition to ethanol.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
8. They are not worth the time. There were so many registered democrats that did not vote in 2016.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jul 2018

That should be our target. Screw the rural voters.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
13. No rock should be left unturned in ANY election, especially the next two elections
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jul 2018

Even it you only move the dial 1% in rural areas, often that is just enough to change the results and give us a win. I know rural people because a good chunk of my family are rural voters and I am telling you many can be courted. Any demographic can be courted. Republicans use to say Hispanics were a lost cause for them but Bush courted them and made huge inroads.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
16. Bush didn't beg for votes . Bush was Pro Immigration. he won Muslims also
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:50 PM
Jul 2018

they voted for him because they agreed with many conservative policies.

they are often religious, and oppose gay rights and abortion rights.

 

frontierjoe

(29 posts)
28. We are not converting anyone
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jul 2018

Many of those people who voted for trump were democrats .

He spent a lot of time in those areas .

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
32. We should not want them back.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jul 2018

The good thing about Nixon’s 1968 Southern Strategy is that it purged the Democratic Party of it’s racist element. Don the Con essentially did the same. I think we should concentrate on other demographics and not invite that element back.

 

frontierjoe

(29 posts)
40. In a national election we need them back
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jul 2018

If we lose these states again then it's going to be repeat .

I don't want to see that and I know neither do.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
42. Their are millions of registered democrats who didn't vote that are much more worthwhile in the
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jul 2018

Long run without trying to invite the Don the Con voter back into the fold. We will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
55. Ok, so write off 2/3 of the land mass.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 01:39 AM
Jul 2018

There are state and local Democratic offices and candidates in all 50 states. Support only urban areas now?

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
29. Radio. We need liberal radio. That is how we can draw a lot of rural voters.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:09 PM
Jul 2018

They have to drive a lot, and when driving they listen to the radio.

We have far too few decent liberal radio voices. Not enough anyway.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
30. 3%
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:12 PM
Jul 2018

Besides, you win more seats in Congress by focusing on rural voters. Or alternatively you can look at 2nd and 3rd tier cities (ie Allentown instead of Philadelphia) and focus on them too.

Would you rather flip a red seat blue in upstate NY or make a navy blue NYC district bluer?

(I am a fan of all of the above especially in statewide races. But you won't flip the House by focusing on urban voters.)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. Why not both?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jul 2018

Rural places DO have blue people in them and there are a lot of those places in each state. If we averaged 50 or more votes from each one, that works out to potentially hundreds of thousands of votes from those areas alone, add that to more people voting for us on heavily blue areas and we are unbeatable. President Obama seemed to use that to great effect in 2008 and 2012.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. That always comes across as pandering....
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jul 2018

...the same way it does when we trot out military Dems or religious Dems and attempt to outflank Republicans in those areas. It cedes the terms of debate to Republicans and convinces nobody.

How about we just find people who are good at selling our policies to people for whom they would be beneficial and good? That approach seemed to work o.k. for Obama. Much better than trying to be holier than thou with Lieberman as VP or more heroic than thou with John Kerry.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
7. You may be right but we HAVE to do something to court rural voters and court them hard.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jul 2018

Obama made inroads so it can be done: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96782692

On Edit: I just saw your other response above. We are on the same page.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. No it isn't.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:25 PM
Jul 2018

Just go into those areas and layout our platform. It excites blue voters in those areas and make them feel like they are not being ignored.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
6. Trumps tariff taxes, GOP attack on social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jul 2018

Food stamps...and of course healthcare will have an impact on rural voters. Throw in some Russian paling around, who knows. Retirees are going to have 2nd thoughts.

Meadowoak

(5,517 posts)
9. I live in a rural county in eastern KY. In the May primary, Dems were voting 2 to 1 over Repukes.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jul 2018

I hope this holds true in November as well.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
10. From my perspective, in red Va, think we are better off getting our voters to the polls
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:41 PM
Jul 2018

way too many trump voters are unreachable.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
43. We are not trying to reach Trump voters.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:37 PM
Jul 2018

We are trying to excite blue voters in those places. If we lose a red county 30,000 to 10500 instead of losing it 30,000 to 9,000, with 13000 solid Dems in the county, statewide, the numbers add up. In a state that has 67 counties, something like 45 of them will be the 30,000 to 10500 counties, that works out to around 48,000 more votes for our statewide candidate. In a lot of cases, a big name from our side just showing up in those places excite blue voters and get them to the polls.

We also need to work on urban non voters, we lose hundreds of thousands of votes in those places when people don't vote.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. He is hitting a lot of in the sticks towns, getting blue voters excited.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:39 PM
Jul 2018

That is how to win, hold down your opponent's margin in those areas and blast him or her in the big cities and suburbs.

vercetti2021

(10,150 posts)
50. Every district
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:00 PM
Jul 2018

He's coming back to Amarillo on the 31st. Beers with Beto. I'm excited to hear him speak again plus can also give a contribution

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. I really hope he is keeping his pants on and not making sexually suggestive comments.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jul 2018

Our voters hold politician responsible for that stuff, republicans elect theirs.

He is a good looking guy, I hope he is passing up on the offers, suggestions and temptations. We really need another President Obama, squeaky clean on the fidelity front.

vercetti2021

(10,150 posts)
66. Beto doesn't strike me as a cheater
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 07:30 PM
Jul 2018

He has his head on straight, he talks about his wife quite a lot on the trail. So no doubt he loves her. But hopefully Beto can be like Obama, just hopefully not take crap from the right.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
67. I hope.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jul 2018

As far as dealing with the right, we need to treat them like they treat us when they win. They tell us "fuck you" and shut us out of everything. We should do the same with them, don't try to fucking get their input, just ram left wing legislation that works down republicans throats, then get loyal democrats out to vote. No more compromising.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
14. yeah, because Ted Cruz is such a Cowboy
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jul 2018

you know what will get their votes ? it's supporting taking away kids from immigrants.

banning transgendered people from places.

and talking about how black athletes are unamerican.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
23. That is probably part of why Cruz is vulnerable in Texas, because he doesn't seem rural
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:56 PM
Jul 2018

even though he puts cowboy hats on. Beto looks more rural than Cruz and that is probably part of why he is only a few points behind now.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
26. no, it's not those voters which are hurting Cruz
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jul 2018

it's the liberals who move there because there is more affordable housing. and the newer americans.

texas is going through changes where it will be more favorable for democrats. not sure how long it take but it's moving in the right direction.


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. We are not trying to get haters to vote for us, they never will.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jul 2018

We want to get the blue voters in those places who are demoralized because they are outnumbered and feel that our candidate ignore their areas excited. There is a large number of those places, all we need to do is get 50-100 more votes out of each one.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
52. they should vote every time. relying to excitement will not work
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jul 2018

you just have to tell them to vote. even if they lose every fucking time. just vote.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
33. What about billboards?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jul 2018

I haven't listened to (any) radio in over a decade. My drives consist of downloaded music playing through an aux cable.

Focusing on AM radio ads will be cheap, but they won't reach younger voters.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
22. why didn't they vote for Russ Feingold ?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jul 2018

but they voted for pro corporate pro free trade Ron Johnson over Feingold.

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
25. We are not expecting to get 30% of them. We just need to close the gap by say 5 to 10%
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:59 PM
Jul 2018

If we can't peel off 5 people out of 100 then we suck. We are completely out of touch with all of them.

JI7

(89,175 posts)
27. there aren't unlimited resources. there are already many good reasons to vote for Beto
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jul 2018

if they don't it's because they have different interests.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. How often did Feingold go into the sticks to campaign.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:50 PM
Jul 2018

Or send really big democratic hitters in to excite the BLUE voters there? Looking at your posts, I am afraid that republican voters and republican politicians understand one thing better than us, they understand that you need to excite your voters even when you are going to get pasted in an area, simply because that keeps down your opponent's winning margin in those area. We go into red areas and try to get 100 more blue votes in each one, voters that feel outnumbered and ignored and don't bother to vote - go and tell them that their vote is important.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
53. I did not say they were exciting, but in 2016, they showed up in out of the
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:36 AM
Jul 2018

way places and we did not. All we need to do in those places is get 50-100 more votes in statewide races. I think such a thing is doable.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
57. I think the Feingold campaign was a stand pat
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 01:48 AM
Jul 2018

affair, with not enough rebranding done after six years out of office and shifting conditions. A loss to learn from to avoid repeating it. Tammy Baldwin is running a much better campaign.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. I made that point yesterday.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:16 PM
Jul 2018

Our candidates don't go into red areas to get the blue people there excited. If our campaigns pull an average of 50 more votes from each of those places, we win statewide races, if that had happened for Hillary in my state of Florida and Pennsylvania, she would be President now and the country would be safe from harm.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
38. K&R
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:21 PM
Jul 2018

Solid argument.

One reason I like your thoughts is that they are a group that is somewhat tuned in yet vote overwhelmingly against us. A lot of that is because they aren’t tuned into us and we have a somewhat missing presence. With the right moves it could quickly be higher of a percentage change than you mention, I think. The possible swing in electoral votes would be noticeable with those percentages.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
45. If we could help more African Americans get to the polls, we'd have more than enough
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jul 2018

And we don't have to convince them to vote Democratic or hope they don't turn around and switch back to vote Republican because their brother-in-law got to them in the car on the way to the polls.

Not saying we shouldn't try to also get rural voters, too - we need to get every vote we can. But we shouldn't neglect our base while chasing around after voters we have to convince to vote with us and then pray they stay with us.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. Effie, we look for solid blue voters in those places.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jul 2018

My area is a good example. Democrats are outnumbered by around 40,000 votes. There are 50,000 independents. In 2016 Trump came to my area, no one from Hillary's campaign did. I could totally sense and see the loss of excitement on our side, I know solid democrats who did not bother to vote because they did not think it mattered (not the no difference shit, but the we are outnumbered and it doesn't look like anyone on our side care to come in and cheer us up difference). There are around 50 counties in Florida like my county, Hillary lost Florida by something like 130,000-150,000 votes, if she had gotten 3000 more in counties like mine, we could be looking at an entirely different world today. I think that is the point the OP is making, we will never get true red voters, but we can excite more true blue voters and also get some indies that were on the fence to fall our way. BTW, in my county, we had a Black ex military, ex police captain running for County Sheriff, imagine if Hillary, or Bill or Tim or some other big Dem hitter had come into the region and stood on a campaign stage with him giving him support while helping Hillary?

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
56. Why is this point made as a binary?
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 01:44 AM
Jul 2018

Either neglect the base or court rural voters? Obviously you can do both.

People of color live in rural areas too, as you know. Turnout for these voters is essential if Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina are going to vote blue consistently.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
62. I did read your whole post.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jul 2018

Did you read all of mine?

In some of your posts the importance of strengthening white voter support for Democrats is minimized, or described as a trade-off compared to black voters, with some disparagment of the voters who live in so-called Trump Country.

In this thread, I asserted the importance of rural voters of color (a big voting block in the states that are potentially becoming purple, in the South and elsewhere). Tammy Baldwin and Bernie Sanders have recently campaigned together in Wisconsin, where we have all these factors of rural voters of color (limited past outreach to Native American, Hmong American, and Latino voters) and rural white voters who turned out bigger for Sanders than for Clinton. If Wisconsin at least is going to return to the Democratic column, the 2016 lessons about voter demographics and turnout need to be heeded.

The key to victory in 2018 is to recognize that each state has a different demographic mix, but no block can be ignored or minimized. The national, state, and local races are all too important, and Democratic outreach strategies have made the mistake in the past of not taking each block seriously enough. That's the disagreement I have with some of your posts, when assertions are made about the importance of one voting block versus another. The 50%+1 strategy for narrow wins in national elections needs to be replaced by a new version of the 50-state strategy, and that's what the DNC (including Bernie Sanders) is working to accomplish. Clearly to me at least, this is a better approach than prioritizing one demographic at the expense of another.





 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
63. Nice try at deflection
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 04:39 PM
Jul 2018

Your post clearly addressed only the specific previous post to which you were responding - which you either misread or didn't read at sll - not all of my previous posts, as you now claim instead of just acknowledging that you misunderstood what I'd written.

But it's nice to know that you are paying such close attention to what I write, although it would be nice if you didn't so blatantly mischaracterize what I've said.

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
59. I'm from a district that
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 09:51 AM
Jul 2018

Reliability goes to GOP by a 80-20 margin and you can barely get a Democrat to run. Most of the voters are voting against abortion and “pc” culture and not any real issues.

There are a lot of issues to run on. Medicare for all should be very popular for all the self employed. There is no love for corporations and billionaires out here. An infrastructure bill should be popular. Public utilities are popular. Price supports for commodities like corn and research to make biofuels more efficient are Democratic ideas and should be popular. Maybe things will get bad enough with a struggling farm economy to make people vote on economic issues and not just vote “for Jesus”

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
64. That's the real trick isn't it?
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 04:57 PM
Jul 2018

It's those last 5% or so that politicians on both sides fight for.

It's why we get sick of seeing the same damn ads over and over, both on television and on Internet.

They aren't trying to influence you and me. They are fighting for that 5 out of 100.

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