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Whiteness is one hell of a drug (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
Be careful, I posted a thread about Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #1
I am brown kpete Jul 2018 #2
He lied YessirAtsaFact Jul 2018 #34
If I recall, you led with, "I'm really starting to hate white Americans" aikoaiko Jul 2018 #3
Huh? kpete Jul 2018 #5
Mine was a reply to Fantatlaguy about what he claimed he posted. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #6
It's archived. Feel free to pull up the ENTIRE post Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #8
Right there with you! It's an embarrassment that white Americans were primarily responsible... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #30
That's right because it's divisive crap that we don't need. No hypocrisy. No painting ANY group of LBM20 Jul 2018 #10
What's "divisive" about it? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #12
Stating facts has become so last century Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #21
You didn't answer my question EffieBlack Jul 2018 #35
I'm not sure that it is. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #38
I think I misunderstood your post EffieBlack Jul 2018 #40
It's an inconvenient truth that White America radius777 Jul 2018 #17
Indeed. There are always exceptions to every rule. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #19
Exactly, the civil rights era reorganized American politics. radius777 Jul 2018 #20
I hate having to agree with this. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #22
the POC and other minorities that voted for Trump also did so largely because of bigotry JI7 Jul 2018 #23
More like an "inconvenient opinion", I'm afraid whathehell Jul 2018 #29
Is it a good strategy to attempt to drive out the white people who do despise Trump? lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #57
It's not about demonization but realization. radius777 Jul 2018 #85
Yeah, it's about demonization and it's racist. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #89
They don't care. sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #95
Resentment from the white left is what's so puzzling to me. brush Jul 2018 #86
Of course, and it's absurd on it's face, whathehell Jul 2018 #31
Coulda sworn I did this in the other thread. Iggo Jul 2018 #11
We are seeing a growing number of posts equating being white with being racist. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #55
+1,0000. n/t whathehell Jul 2018 #88
They're going to a heaven that has appliances dalton99a Jul 2018 #4
Definitely Around The Bend ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #64
These people are deranged. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #7
I am a devout Catholic. These guys are as representative of Christendom as I am. KitSileya Jul 2018 #81
K & R & R & R Duppers Jul 2018 #9
economic anxiety JI7 Jul 2018 #13
It's always amusing to me the various ways in which 'fundamentalists' (who, by definition, Aristus Jul 2018 #14
Whiteness is fucked up ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #15
Um, no. what's "fucked up" is Right Wing Evangelical Nuttery whathehell Jul 2018 #28
Whiteness is fucked up ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #36
Some want to claim that.... NCTraveler Jul 2018 #39
and some want to demonize most, if not all whathehell Jul 2018 #53
I see no issue with that. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #56
So you see no issue with broad brushed anti-white bigotry? whathehell Jul 2018 #60
I'll ask again. NY_20th Jul 2018 #68
and I'll ask for the first time.. whathehell Jul 2018 #71
Sheila and Linda's comments are what the OP is about. NY_20th Jul 2018 #74
I see you're new here.. whathehell Jul 2018 #76
People who actually read it would know. NY_20th Jul 2018 #78
Lol, I did read it whathehell Jul 2018 #83
So you won't condemn what they said? NY_20th Jul 2018 #84
I certainly DO condemn what they said, whathehell Jul 2018 #87
We saw how black women reacted ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #69
Lol..That sounds so racist whathehell Jul 2018 #46
Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #63
Are you fucking kidding yourself? whathehell Jul 2018 #66
Rational? ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #70
Lol whathehell Jul 2018 #75
There's no cure for that level of stupidity and racism. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #16
There is an easy cure: people can just open their eyes and grow up struggle4progress Jul 2018 #25
Those featured in the Wash. Post article are isolated in rural enclaves. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #93
We can win because most people will be able see we're right struggle4progress Jul 2018 #94
from one DUer's sig line... Duppers Jul 2018 #18
About 230 million Americans were eligible to vote in 2016, struggle4progress Jul 2018 #24
i do not remember jesus using qualifications. or do unto americans. pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #26
Lol...Unbelievable that he would ascribe the above-mentioned whathehell Jul 2018 #27
indeed G_j Jul 2018 #33
Yes, it's bizarre whathehell Jul 2018 #47
Blackness is one hell of a drug. Humm. How's that sound to you? rainin Jul 2018 #32
Educate yourself ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #37
From your link:Racial Prejudice: a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumption rainin Jul 2018 #42
I don't see that definition on the page linked... tonedevil Jul 2018 #44
Here: https://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/racismandpower rainin Jul 2018 #45
Different page on the same site... tonedevil Jul 2018 #77
I can't get one commenter to acknowledge that ALL white people aren't racist. rainin Jul 2018 #80
Believe me - you're not alone. cwydro Jul 2018 #90
I am learning. sigh rainin Jul 2018 #91
Thank you -- I agree completely whathehell Jul 2018 #51
From my link: ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #65
You educate yourself.. whathehell Jul 2018 #61
I love the eye rolls emoji ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #73
Really?.. whathehell Jul 2018 #79
Well said, this is getting really bad Amishman Jul 2018 #41
We should be suspicious of anyone who intentionally divides in this way. rainin Jul 2018 #43
As well others may be suspicious LanternWaste Jul 2018 #48
No, this is not about division, it is about definitions of racism. kwassa Jul 2018 #50
You're working too hard here. Just say it's ok to judge people by the color of their skin. rainin Jul 2018 #72
Nobody said all white people are racist. kwassa Jul 2018 #92
racism is real NY_20th Jul 2018 #49
Defining it as being practiced whathehell Jul 2018 #54
What did you think of Linda and Sheila's comments? NY_20th Jul 2018 #59
The article is quite an eye opener! G_j Jul 2018 #62
I'm white and I don't find the title divisive at all. NY_20th Jul 2018 #67
Yes, and you are not alone.. whathehell Jul 2018 #52
+1 lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #58
It sounds completely different. Iggo Jul 2018 #82

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
1. Be careful, I posted a thread about
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jul 2018

how disappointed I have become with the majority of white America, my own ethnicity.
I was roundly criticized as being a racist.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
34. He lied
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:26 AM
Jul 2018

Everybody except the ultra rich and white racists loses under Trump.

And most of the white racists are getting hosed economically, they’re just too obsessed to notice.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
3. If I recall, you led with, "I'm really starting to hate white Americans"
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jul 2018

Not exactly the same thing as "disappointment" with "some white Americans"

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
8. It's archived. Feel free to pull up the ENTIRE post
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jul 2018

if you want to discuss it again.
And, yes, I do hate those that voted for and still support Trump.
And, guess, what - the majority of them are white.
That’s not racist. That’s not a banana or an apple.
That’s a fact.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
30. Right there with you! It's an embarrassment that white Americans were primarily responsible...
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:24 AM
Jul 2018

for bringing the Rascist-in-Chief to power.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
10. That's right because it's divisive crap that we don't need. No hypocrisy. No painting ANY group of
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:32 PM
Jul 2018

people with a broad brush.

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
21. Stating facts has become so last century
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:20 AM
Jul 2018

Before you can solve any problem, you must define it.
Why have between 60-70% of white people in America bought into the Trump and GOP line.
I think that the years of talk radio and Fox News lies and propaganda have had an effect.
Especially on those who have some fears of becoming the minority in this country with changing demographics. Demonizing blacks and browns has worked, by and large.
So, there.
Problem defined.
Solving it is much more difficult.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
35. You didn't answer my question
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jul 2018

How is a white person's observation about racism among white people "divisive?"

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
38. I'm not sure that it is.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jul 2018

I’m white.
I am very disappointed that the majority of my race has been conned by a racist Trump.


radius777

(3,624 posts)
17. It's an inconvenient truth that White America
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:13 AM
Jul 2018

doesn't want to face, that Trump was elected mainly due to white backlash against PoC and diversity - not because of so-called economic anxiety.

The populist-left/Sanders/Stein movement is also related to this backlash. At least a portion of the white left hold resentment against 'identity politics' which they feel PoC and immigrants benefit from at the expense of working class whites.

Now I will say there are virtuous whites who voted for Hillary and disgraceful PoC who didn't.

But we need to be honest about the overall trends and the reason for our current sociopolitical climate.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. Indeed. There are always exceptions to every rule.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jul 2018

I've said before, if you take away racism (like if it just magically vanished tomorrow), the Republican Party would cease to be viable. Racism is what enabled the rise of Trump. Anyone who denies that is being willfully ignorant.

From the Southern Strategy of Nixon (and the backlash to the Civil Rights Act) to Reagan and his dog whistling (such as kicking off his campaign with a speech about "states' rights" not far from where 3 civil rights activists were murdered) to the vile response to Obama (including Trump's 'birtherism'), the Republican Party is deeply rooted in racism. Without it, there wouldn't be enough people to support right wing economic policy, right wing health care policy, right wing environmental policy, and so on. I kid you not, the GOP would no longer be a major national political party.

radius777

(3,624 posts)
20. Exactly, the civil rights era reorganized American politics.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:39 AM
Jul 2018

The majority of white voters fled into the arms of the GOP, which essentially became the white flight party of Reagan, until Trump, when it became the white nationalist party.

The election of Obama is what sent them over the edge, as they simply couldn't bear seeing a non-white person as the president of "their" country.

JI7

(89,176 posts)
23. the POC and other minorities that voted for Trump also did so largely because of bigotry
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:27 AM
Jul 2018

usually because they are anti gay , anti immigrant or anti some group. overall they make up a smaller number but the point is that they are still voting out of bigotry so their support for Trump isn't an example of people voting for him for other reasons besides bigotry.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
29. More like an "inconvenient opinion", I'm afraid
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:04 AM
Jul 2018

but you wouldn't be the first here to confuse the two.



lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
57. Is it a good strategy to attempt to drive out the white people who do despise Trump?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jul 2018

Seems foolish to me.

radius777

(3,624 posts)
85. It's not about demonization but realization.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 03:38 PM
Jul 2018

The idea that 'some whites' supported Trump - as if it's a side issue - is simply not truthful.

The story of Trump's election is the story of white backlash on the right and (to a lesser degree) on the left, from upper to lower class, from north to south to east to west.

IOW this wasn't merely a rebellion of the far right, but a backlash amongst a cross section of the white population.

The election was a choice between the racist candidate(Trump) and the antiracist candidate(Hillary), and white voters made their choice.

Only 31% of white male voters voted for Hillary, and only 43% of white female voters did.

Overall whites voted 57% Trump, 37% Hillary, 6% other/third party.

Overall nonwhites voted 74% Hillary, 21% Trump, 5% other/third party.

source: CNN

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
95. They don't care.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:24 AM
Jul 2018

There are regular fishing expeditions here to slam one particular race and nobody cares. It is a plot because if they can trick you into posting something that can be misconstrued into something it isn't, they will alert on you and hope to get their group all on the jury so they can delete you. After a few times of this you are automatically kicked out of DU even if what you said was not offensive. Yesterday a post was removed talking about not liking being stuck behind couponers and something about one was arguing over a 15 cent coupon. The intent by some is to drive out anyone they see as different and they are well coordinated.

brush

(53,474 posts)
86. Resentment from the white left is what's so puzzling to me.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

Some totally fell for that absurd identity politics meme pushed as "bad" by someone who will remain nameless (I got alerted on about stating that).

Are they allies of POCs or what? Politics is always about identity, look at the repug party. It's identity is all about white people.

Give us a break here, even with the oft-repeated counter argument from the left that it's all about policy and implementation of policy, we all should know better. It's so reminiscent of the social justice v economic just argument from before.

Anyone with knowledge of this country knows, or should know, that economic justice if actually realized won't be applied equally to POCs until there is actual social justice towards all.

Let's not be naive.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
31. Of course, and it's absurd on it's face,
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:46 AM
Jul 2018

but that doesn't seem to matter. -- The Race Resentment narrative must go on. Maybe that:s a "drug", too.














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lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
55. We are seeing a growing number of posts equating being white with being racist.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jul 2018

That is, obviously, a racist claim, which will very effectively divide core constituencies within the Democratic Party. Hmmm, who do you suppose benefits most from dividing Democrats....?

dalton99a

(81,068 posts)
4. They're going to a heaven that has appliances
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 12:26 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:30 AM - Edit history (1)



I hope the appliances have lifetime warranties


KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
81. I am a devout Catholic. These guys are as representative of Christendom as I am.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jul 2018

I feel it is important for Democratic Christians not to go all 'no true Scotsman' on these people. While I insistently believe that the racism, misogyny, homophobia and general malevolence they exhibit are not consistent with the values espoused and taught by the Jesus I believe in, it cannot be denied that a large part of those calling themselves Christian in the US are racist, sexist, homophobic, and malevolent towards those who do not belong to their in-group. In fact, they may even be the majority of Christians who are also white Americans. That means that people of color, LGBTQUIA people, immigrants, and women have the right to look askance at any white American Christians until they prove themselves. We are Schrödinger's Christians, and we cannot be angry at those victimized for not trusting us at first sight. Too many of our families, friends, co-workers, and fellow parishioners, even, are Trump/GOP supporters and they look just like us, and worship the same way as us. How are victims, or potential victims to know who among us can be trusted. Saying we are the 'real' Christians is useless - only by our actions can that be proven, and we might not even be the majority of Christians, so who's to say we are the 'real' Christians anyway.

Aristus

(66,095 posts)
14. It's always amusing to me the various ways in which 'fundamentalists' (who, by definition,
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:53 PM
Jul 2018

are not allowed to interpret the Bible) interpret the Bible...

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
15. Whiteness is fucked up
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jul 2018

Exhibit #1 being how godamn academic one needs to be to discuss what whiteness even *is* so the people who profit from don’t get offended. In that spirit, I offer this:

https://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness



whathehell

(28,969 posts)
28. Um, no. what's "fucked up" is Right Wing Evangelical Nuttery
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:58 AM
Jul 2018

conflating that with simple "whiteness" is absurd.












ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
36. Whiteness is fucked up
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 09:43 AM
Jul 2018

The whole concept of a dominant race in the sociology-economic sense, or any other sense, not to mention the reality of it, is fucked up.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
56. I see no issue with that.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jul 2018

It's much more accurate than writing it off as right wing evangelical nuttery. Simply writing it off as that is to whitewash the scope of the problem.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
76. I see you're new here..
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:35 PM
Jul 2018

Maybe you should refer to it as "the OP" so the rest of us know what you're talking about.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
78. People who actually read it would know.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jul 2018

It's disappointing that you are dismissing actual racism.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
83. Lol, I did read it
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jul 2018

and no, I don't confuse Evangelicals who are in FACT, a minority of Chriians, not to mention white people (and NOT all are white)with "real racism" .

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
87. I certainly DO condemn what they said,
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 03:52 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Mon Jul 23, 2018, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)

as would every other white DUer here...Why do you think we're Democrats?

What I disagree with is that this is just "about being white". If that were true, we'd all be Right wing racist Fundamentalist, which we all CLEARLY are not.


ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
69. We saw how black women reacted
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jul 2018

When issues very specific to being black and a woman were dismissed by certain people on the left. The #notallwhitepeople mentality stops the self examination and Introspection required to defeat the privileges of whiteness. Saying “I am white and I am never racist, I never abet racism and I call it out whenever and wherever I see it” is a claim very few white people can make. I am convinced can grow out of racism with a lot of work, but it’s pretty much a life’s work when you can’t see outside your own skin.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
46. Lol..That sounds so racist
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:54 PM
Jul 2018

There's no 'dominant" race, there are dominant NUMBERS in given societies.

.The major reason that whites in America are dominant relative to African Americans is because they far out number them. It's a Majority- Minority situation.

,
..


ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
63. Are you fucking kidding me?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jul 2018

you are reducing racism to a numbers game? So can you at least acknowledge the effect of white colonialism?

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
66. Are you fucking kidding yourself?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jul 2018

I won't even attempt a rational discussion with you.

Goodbye and good luck.


Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. There's no cure for that level of stupidity and racism.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 11:58 PM
Jul 2018

And I'm afraid there are tens of millions just like Linda and Sheila. Fortunately, there are more of us, but we have to overcome voter suppression and Russia.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
93. Those featured in the Wash. Post article are isolated in rural enclaves.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 04:26 AM
Jul 2018

Deprogramming any one of them would be next to impossible. You'd have to get the individual away from their community (that in itself is almost certainly not going to happen), and expose them continually to new experiences and points of view. And the individual would have to be okay with being shunned by their family, friends and other community members (there'd be no going back for that person). I think that's one reason why college is frowned upon by many.

Years ago I read in an article (and I wish I could find it again) that some stunningly high percentage of people who grow up in very small, rural towns never (in their lifetime) venture more than 50 square miles away from their home.

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
94. We can win because most people will be able see we're right
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:14 AM
Jul 2018
The Story Of C.P. Ellis and Ann Atwater
by Gary Denali

What happens when two people who don’t know each other, but hate each other, finally meet? ...

Ellis was the Exalted Cyclops of the Klu Klux Klan in Durham, North Carolina. Atwater was a local civil rights activist. This all takes place in 1971, in Durham, NC where, at the time there was a great deal of turmoil cause by court ordered desegretion of the local schools. Motivated by fears of violence, the students organized a 10 day meeting called a charette to solve the problems. Atwater, a welfare mom and Ellis, a klan leader, were asked to co-chair the meetings ...

At the last night of the charrette, 1000 people participated, including Ellis’ fellow Klan members. At the microphone, Ellis held his Klan membership card up and said: “If schools are going to be better by me tearing up this card, I shall do so”. Ellis thus renounced the Klan that night and never returned. The remaining Klansmen threatened his life and never talked to him again for the next 30 years.

Ellis and Atwater formed an enduring friendship. He went on to organize black and white labor unions in Durham, and Atwater continued to empower poor people ...



A reformed white racist, he fought for black workers
Christopher Reed
Thu 17 Nov 2005 19.06 EST

... "It finally came to me," he said, "that I had more in common with poor black people than I did with rich white ones" ...

Ellis was born into a poor family in the tobacco and textile town of Durham, North Carolina. His father was a mill worker - and a Ku Klux Klansman who hated blacks, Jews, Roman Catholics and liberals in that order, and taught his son to think the same way ...

He became the Exalted Grand Cyclops .. of the Durham klan and attended city council meetings armed. It was in 1968, at one of these gatherings, that Atwater tried to stab Ellis. They met again in 1971 when they were asked to join a discussion group on educational desegregation. Ellis took a machine gun with him.

To their mutual astonishment, the pair were voted co-chairmen of the meeting, which lasted for 10 days. They spent 12 hours of each day arguing, but gradually found that they agreed on many points. Ellis said he realised they had much in common: poverty, hard work and exploitation by others ...



Civil-Rights Activist, Ex-Klansman C.P. Ellis
November 8, 2005 12:00 AM ET

... Civil rights activist Ann Atwater .. spoke at C.P. Ellis' funeral ...


Ann Atwater, Durham Civil Rights Activist, Dies At 80
By LEONEDA INGE • JUN 21, 2016

... In the early 1970s, Atwater's strong voice became paired with that of C.P. Ellis, an Exalted Cyclops, or chief officer, of Durham’s Ku Klux Klan. They were enemies, and it was even reported that Atwater "pulled out a pocket knife to try and kill Ellis."

Ellis and Atwater would eventually become friends in the fight to desegregate Durham schools ...



Duppers

(28,094 posts)
18. from one DUer's sig line...
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:16 AM
Jul 2018

"BIBLICAL ORTHODOXY WITHOUT COMPASSION IS SURELY THE UGLIEST THING IN THE WORLD."

- FRANCIS SCHAEFFER

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
24. About 230 million Americans were eligible to vote in 2016,
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 04:17 AM
Jul 2018

if they'd wanted to take the necessary steps. And about 62 million of them did actually vote for Trump: that's around 27%

Supposing 72% of Americans describe themselves as "white," about 165 million "white" Americans were eligible to vote in 2016. And if all 62 million Trump voters were "white," that would mean about 38% of "white" Americans supported Trump

I've done this calculation to give the highest possible percentage for "white" Trump support

pansypoo53219

(20,906 posts)
26. i do not remember jesus using qualifications. or do unto americans.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:10 AM
Jul 2018

or would she mean just republikans.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
27. Lol...Unbelievable that he would ascribe the above-mentioned
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:47 AM
Jul 2018

Right Wing Evangelical nuttery to simple "whiteness".

I'm white & they are more "foreign" to me than any skin color could be.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
33. indeed
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:21 AM
Jul 2018

those people might as well be from another planet.
I don’t know what whiteness has to do with it, but they are certainly out of their freaking minds.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
32. Blackness is one hell of a drug. Humm. How's that sound to you?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:01 AM
Jul 2018

Can you imagine that this might be offensive? Does it sound racist to you? Of course, it's racist. Why are we allowing racism on DU?

rainin

(3,010 posts)
42. From your link:Racial Prejudice: a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumption
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:17 PM
Jul 2018

deriving from perceptions about race/skin colour.

STOP stirring up hate for white people. Hate racism, not white people.

Your determination to divide should make anyone reading this thread suspicious of your motives.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
44. I don't see that definition on the page linked...
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jul 2018

this is interesting though:

At first glance, it may seem that in common usage in Alberta, the word "white" is used to refer specifically to skin colour or race. Initially, this might seem like reverting back to, or reinforcing, the old (and racist) categories of European imperialism, and in some cases, it may in fact be meant that way. We are profoundly concerned, for example, by the increase in neo-Nazi/white supremacist activity in our province. In our experience, however, we have found that when people refer to "white people" (either in self-identification or identifying individuals/groups), it is in fact being used as a shorthand reference to whiteness, about which people may have varied understandings that you will need to clarify. In other words, it is being used as a shorthand for the privileges/power that people who appear white receive because they are not subjected to the racism faced by people of colour and Indigenous people.
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
77. Different page on the same site...
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jul 2018

so not really at the other posters link, but close enough. They indeed define racial prejudice and clearly anyone can harbor racial prejudice. Did you notice the part where they indicate it takes more to be racism? They have a little mathematical equation to illustrate: Racism = Racial Prejudice + Power. Did you ruminate on that?

rainin

(3,010 posts)
80. I can't get one commenter to acknowledge that ALL white people aren't racist.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jul 2018

I no longer believe that those replying to my comments are discussing in good faith if they can't even acknowledge that. This thread is intended to divide and inflame. Hopefully, the casual reader will see this, too. Racism does not belong on DU.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
90. Believe me - you're not alone.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 04:19 PM
Jul 2018

Most of us just ignore these threads.

Same posters again and again.

Their motivation is blatantly obvious.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
65. From my link:
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jul 2018
White versus Whiteness

Race is scientifically insignificant.
Race is a socially constructed category that powerfully attaches meaning to perceptions of skin colour; inequitable social/economic relations are structured and reproduced (including the meanings attached to skin colour) through notions of race, class, gender, and nation.
Whiteness is a set of normative privileges granted to white-skinned individuals and groups; it is normalized in its production/maintenance for those of that group such that its operations are "invisible" to those privileged by it (but not to those oppressed/disadvantaged by it). It has a long history in European imperialism and epistemologies (for those who are of mixed ancestry and "pass" as white, this normativity, I would assume, would not occur).
Distinct but not separate from ideologies and material manifestations of ideologies of class, nation, gender, sexuality, and ability.
The meaning of "whiteness" is historical and has shifted over time (i.e. Irish, Italian, Spanish, Greek and southern European peoples have at times been "raced" as non-white).

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Amishman

(5,541 posts)
41. Well said, this is getting really bad
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jul 2018

I'm getting pretty tired of seeing race dragged into absolutely everything and statements made that would be utterly unacceptable if a different race or ethnicity was inserted.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
43. We should be suspicious of anyone who intentionally divides in this way.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jul 2018

This thread does not belong on DU IMO.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. As well others may be suspicious
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jul 2018

As well others may be suspicious of people more upset with the mere discussion of race than racism itself.

There's a lot of that also... though it's often rationalized as something other than what it is; a pretense about divisiveness, for example.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
50. No, this is not about division, it is about definitions of racism.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jul 2018

and this has been extensively discusses here on DU forever. You must have missed those discussionns. This is very much a DU issue.

Prejudice plus power is a stipulative definition of racism often used by anti-racist educators, including the American pastor Joseph Barndt.[1] The definition was first proposed by Patricia Bidol, who, in a 1970 book, defined it as "prejudice plus institutional power."[2]

According to this definition, two elements are required in order for racism to exist: racial prejudice, and social power to codify and enforce this prejudice into an entire society.[1][3] Reasons cited in support of this definition include that power is responsible for the creation of racial categories, and that people favor their own racial groups over others.[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

Racism, however, is more than just prejudice and discrimination combined. Racism is a socially constructed reality at the heart of society¹s structures. Racism is the deliberate structuring of privilege by means of an objective, differential and unequal treatment of people, for the purpose of social advantage over scarce resources, resulting in an ideology of supremacy which justifies power of position by placing a negative meaning on perceived or actual biological/cultural differences.


http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/papers/caleb/racism.html

rainin

(3,010 posts)
72. You're working too hard here. Just say it's ok to judge people by the color of their skin.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jul 2018

It's ok because you can't really be a racists unless you're white. Judging white people is different (apparently) because some whites are racists.

All these links are missing the point. I disagree that ALL white people are racist and you aren't giving links to dispute my point. In fact, I believe saying all white people hold any view because they are white is racist.

Either you agree with this, or you are demonstrating racism perfectly.

Racism belongs on DU.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
92. Nobody said all white people are racist.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jul 2018

I don't know where in the world you got that from.

All white people do benefit from racism, though. That is called white privilege.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
67. I'm white and I don't find the title divisive at all.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jul 2018

It's a fact that too many white people fail to see racism.

Yes, the comments of Sheila and Linda are very disturbing. When I went to church we used to sing that Jesus loves the little children. ALL the little children of the world.

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
52. Yes, and you are not alone..
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jul 2018

Talk about double standards. It's nothing but race-based resentment posing as political "discussion"...Right.
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Iggo

(47,487 posts)
82. It sounds completely different.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jul 2018

Which shouldn't surprise you because in this country Blackness and Whiteness are two completely different experiences.

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