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Quixote1818

(28,926 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:03 AM Jul 2018

Recession Could Be Closer Than Most Realize


Snip: Simply put: when the consumer catches a cold, the entire economy can get pneumonia.

Something like that appears to be happening. Retail sales are down sharply due to a combination of weak wage growth, income inequality (“average” gains have been heavily skewed to the wealthy, leaving most Americans worse off), and deflationary expectations.

Meanwhile, consumer confidence has fallen to the lowest level since November, and consumer spending fell in May. Inflation was also lower in May.

On top of this, the Fed is creating headwinds with rate hikes and by reducing the money supply through its new program of quantitative tightening, or QT. With stock market indices hitting new all-time highs almost daily, and the economy hitting stall speed, a severe stock market correction is in the cards.

More: http://wallstreetexaminer.com/2017/06/recession-closer-realize/
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Recession Could Be Closer Than Most Realize (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2018 OP
It is inevitable, and it is coming. dalton99a Jul 2018 #1
I wonder if I should pull my money out of the market now? Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #3
Dunno - talking heads are saying 2019: dalton99a Jul 2018 #6
I took mine out in February. Though the crash hasn't yet come, the Squinch Jul 2018 #16
And if Trump follows through on massive tax/tariff hikes on Chinese imports... mwooldri Jul 2018 #2
Sooner or later, but is the Wall Street Examiner creditable? Hoyt Jul 2018 #4
And Trump Already Has His Excuse And Fall Guy When This Goes South.... global1 Jul 2018 #5
to be clear, he's predicting that the market will crash, which is typically 6 months or so before unblock Jul 2018 #7
Trump never aknowledges income inequality. RDANGELO Jul 2018 #8
I think if we give the rich another tax cut we should be OK for six months or so. Midnight Writer Jul 2018 #9
How do you figure? Squinch Jul 2018 #17
the long term record is clear - repubs create recessions and dems end them nt msongs Jul 2018 #10
Is trump doing all this duforsure Jul 2018 #11
This article is over a year old Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #12
Punishing weather is also a factor Achilleaze Jul 2018 #13
Not only has consumer confidence fallen, but also no_hypocrisy Jul 2018 #14
The Treasury yield curve is nearly flat Recursion Jul 2018 #15
Wow. That's getting worse pretty quickly. Squinch Jul 2018 #18
Yeah it collapsed late last week Recursion Jul 2018 #19
I'm surprised it has taken this long... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #20
The trade war is going to start the next recession. roamer65 Jul 2018 #21
It's already happening ck4829 Aug 2019 #23
K&R ck4829 Aug 2019 #22

Quixote1818

(28,926 posts)
3. I wonder if I should pull my money out of the market now?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:19 AM
Jul 2018

It's probably not going to go up much more before the crash.

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
16. I took mine out in February. Though the crash hasn't yet come, the
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jul 2018

funds I was in have pretty much gunked around at the same level as February, so I haven't lost anything. And I've saved myself a lot of worry.

mwooldri

(10,302 posts)
2. And if Trump follows through on massive tax/tariff hikes on Chinese imports...
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:18 AM
Jul 2018

... then things are going to get more expensive quickly and consumers will shut their wallet.. simply because the dollar amounts to buy what they had went up... and they will be asking what next? Employers won't pump up wages to compensate.

Now part of me wants the Republicans to do well enough to have razor thin margins in 2018 so that Trump and the Republicans would totally own a screwed up economy... But I don't know how much more of this shit I can stand.

unblock

(52,164 posts)
7. to be clear, he's predicting that the market will crash, which is typically 6 months or so before
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:34 AM
Jul 2018

a recession.

economists generally aren't predicting a recession before the second half of 2019 at the earliest; 6 months before that would be late this year, which certainly seems in line with this guy's prediction, he's not saying a stock market crash is happening tomorrow.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
8. Trump never aknowledges income inequality.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:36 AM
Jul 2018

The result of that is low consumer demand to drive the economy. Considering his trade policies, it makes no sense. If the desired result isn't higher wages , than what is it.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. Punishing weather is also a factor
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:54 AM
Jul 2018

reminding us all that

republican lies on climate change are dangerous for America
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republican lies on climate change are dangerous for America

no_hypocrisy

(46,061 posts)
14. Not only has consumer confidence fallen, but also
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:08 AM
Jul 2018

credit has been tightened.

15 years ago with *, people could go running to home equity loans to keep buying stuff. Now there's increased interest rates, falling home prices, job insecurity. Consumers don't want to risk bankruptcy to put in a new kitchen or buy a new car.

Trickle down economics realistically is a constrained consumer who affects retail and contractors.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. The Treasury yield curve is nearly flat
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:14 AM
Jul 2018

3 YR: 2.68
5 YR: 2.75

You want about .80 or even 1.0 between them.

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