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Trump's stupid, uninformed, tariff circle jerk has fucked most mid-western American farmers. Realizing this, after the fact, he's giving them $12 billion in bail out funds.
Does this make American farmers "welfare queens?"
I'm sure the farmers aren't happy with their orange idol right now. And I'm sure the Republican Party isn't happy with this "welfare thing" since they hate "welfare things."
Yet, the dumb orange creature continues to fuck up the American economy, and the world economy, along with fucking up everything else he touches.
So about the Republican Party that doesn't like that "welfare thing." Are they going to cut off the bail out funds to those farmers who are their voters?
underpants
(182,285 posts)It's dominated by ConAgra ADM etc. This is a corporate bail out due to his own dumbass policy
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)I know a lot of farmers including my dad. He only votes on abortion so he helped cause this but Republicans have generally been free traders so what can you do?
I do agree that large corporations get much of the money meant for family farms and shouldnt.
woundedkarma
(498 posts)30,000 are small farms producing less than $10,000. The big companies do most of the food production. But saying there are few farmers left simply isn't true.
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)Currently less than 1% of the citizens of this country provide all the domestically produced food to our remaining 99% of citizens. Here's what makes it even more fun, the vast majority of us are over 55 years old. So yeah , there are few farmers and most of us are getting on in the years.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Do you live in a city? A suburb? Get out and see the country.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)sandensea
(21,530 posts)They hoover up most of the $25+ billion in agro subsidies.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)who farm, several of them. Some voted for Trump and regret it. Farmers do own family farms and are being badly hurt by Trump. Don't make assumptions. We hear much discussion about if they will be able to sell this year's crop or plan for next year's. Tariffs hits both of the crops here and pork farmers.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)murielm99
(30,659 posts)I get tired of the stereotyping here.
Rebl2
(13,311 posts)greymattermom
(5,751 posts)Not a farmer, but REALLY tired of the stereotyping.
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)I keep hoping that people like you and me can do some educating and the good folks here will step above but it's starting to feel like a hopeless task.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I'm ok with subsidies for family farmers, but I hope it would be the little guys that get it first.
A lot of people forget our food doesn't actually come from a box, lol.
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)Ruined farming for the 80s. Even when it was cancelled they didnt want to buy from us. They had found other suppliers for 8 million tons of grain annually. I hope we not creating another farm crisis by pissing off China but it sure looks like we are.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)are plowing fresh ground as we speak. Won't have impact this year, but perhaps in 2019 and farther on.....
suegeo
(2,571 posts)"We" kinda shares the blame. This mess belongs entirely to the traitors in the party of Putin. Republicans are buying farmers votes with our tax dollars.
The GOP needs to be driven into the sea and the earth salted behind them.
pecosbob
(7,511 posts)Republican economic plan...
1. Enact tariffs putting farmers out of a job.
2. Pay farmers subsidies.
3. Make farmers work at bullshit low wage jobs like MacDonald's for subsidies.
BaronChocula
(1,458 posts)Where are you Justin Amash and Rand Paul!
BTW, you forgot #4 - Find a way to make their health care more inaccessible.
pecosbob
(7,511 posts)rub some dirt on it...you don't need no socialamalistic health care, smealth care.
Afromania
(2,767 posts)That's some bullshit right there. They have been getting subsidies in one way or another for years. Agribiz is doing all sorts of wild shit to drive the normal folks out of business. The republicans let it happen to em but they kept on voting republican.
Now, like everything else the fuckery has reached its end game and they are being screwed right along with the rest of us. Who knew, right? except everybody that didn't vote republican.
So pull on up, take your number and get in the que farmers. There's enough beatings for each and every one of us to take thanks to your votes.
lame54
(35,143 posts)Jim__
(14,045 posts)Me - I'm putting my money into band-aids.
MariaCSR
(642 posts)sarge43
(28,939 posts)It's hush money. If the Repugs survive November, I can promise them they won't get another bail out.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)First they piss on America's farmers, then they rob taxpayers to try and smother the stink of their piss with a bribe made up of our tax money.
republicans and their russian goon buddies have found yet another way to weaken America.
question everything
(47,271 posts)From a story about Minnesota
Soybean-and-corn farmer Keith Schrader said the escalation of the trade conflict with China in May depressed prices and soured this years outlook at his 5,000-acre operation. Beijing recently imposed 25% tariffs on soybeans.
When the trade stuff hitboomwe went back to unprofitability, Mr. Schrader said. As a staunch Republican, he said he would probably still vote again for Rep. Jason Lewis, seen as one of the most vulnerable Republicans up for reelection this year.
Mr. Schrader said he has run on periods of thin margins my whole life.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1059&pid=6832
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and insist on welfare to work programs for everyone on welfare.
Are they going to do the same to these farmers?
Nasruddin
(741 posts)It's worse than you think.
Farmers are trapped into a production system to a considerable extent. They plant a narrow range of crops (because of local support and buying patterns) and have to pick the mix they plant based on economic forecasts - those forecasts are fairly constrained, like a chessboard.
Tariffs and a trade war are like someone coming along and kicking the chessboard.
Then there are taxes. Real estate taxes on farm lands in at least some midwestern states are a) based on expected yields, which further reduces what a farmer can do with land and b) paid in arrears - for instance IL taxes are 1 year in arrears. This means the tax debt to be paid _now_ was already assessed on expected earnings _then_ (1 year +mos ago). If you're going to lose a lot of money this year, you are still going to be paying a great big tax bill (midwestern real estate taxes are VERY high) next year out of your empty wallet.
That being said, most of the farm area folks are right wingers who voted for this guy, and have no excuse about not seeing this sort of thing coming since he told them about what he planned on doing continuously during his campaign. They wanted to be conned. Maybe they thought it was all big talk like what you hear in the town cafe day in and day out. Whatever the thinking, a bail out spares them from learning from the consequences of their actions (those that can learn).
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)old guy
(3,281 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)in some way either by fed or state. No worse then big oil, pharma, or any other corporate welfare queens.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)who pay any tax at all. And depending upon how the program to pay back the farmers is set up, e.g., will the produce that the farmer produces and sells for govt support then be owned by the govt? What will the govt do? Donate and then hurt the produce market again? Or destroy the produce? Or give it to the poor? Or, will the farmers get to keep the produce and see it at an reduced price that they normally would have gotten?
Sounds like a scam waiting ... and I do know that it does help those farmers who truly need it, not the multi-state corporate farms and the like...
bucolic_frolic
(42,681 posts)to convey the land to oil drillers and home builders, those two Republican growth industries.
Wounded Bear
(58,442 posts)This cycle will hive off another few thousand family farms to get hoover up by the corporations.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)The rich keep their millions and we will get fucked paying for these bailouts.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)if Dump goes ahead with that stupid auto tariff. The EU has wanted to shutout our Ag products for years. They can be sourced elsewhere.
No taxpayer bailout of self inflected wounds!