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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWatching Rachael. I am officially scared shitless now
I wasn't before, just angry
now I am terrified
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)Trump is spewing disinformation and hiding facts. We're being sold down the river and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop it.
The Conductor
(180 posts)Don't be afraid - vote! Get all your friends and family registered, and make sure they vote, too. The way to stop this is to quit listening to Trump's ignorant and desperate distractions. Vote! Vote as if the country depends on your actions - because it does.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)skylucy
(3,738 posts)I am terrified too. Absolutely terrified and furious.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)The stuff about the grid scares me shitless. We should be doing the EXACT opposite of what we are.
Shit.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What is going on?
shraby
(21,946 posts)The question that was asked at the meeting of trump and putin about if putin helped and wanted trump to win has been cut out of the video by our government. The question is gone.
The Russians is using the meeting to say we are going to work with them in Syria. Our head man there said he knows of no such order.
Russia is saying he is disobeying our supreme commander (trump)
See it later if you can.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and can really create a horrible situation for the USA
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am at work all day and often can't check in. I don't get home until about 6:30 or so and I only have basic local channels so I miss a lot during the day. I appreciate the background!
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Just bookmarked on my browser for future use.
lostnfound
(16,171 posts)They cut HALF of a question out did you want Mr. Trump to win,and did you direct... to which Putin answered yes I did. became did you direct...
The part about wanting trump to win is GONE from the video, and Trump is out there tweeting about Putin wanting the democrats to win.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Appreciate it!
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)Pachamama
(16,886 posts)This show tonight is shocking - both her showing the edited tapes off the official record and her conversations with her experts.
We aren't just moving towards Fascism in America.....we are already there....
Classic Russian Disinformation....
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's so hard to keep one's hopes up in this atmosphere. I want to stay informed, yet the reality of all that is going on is just crushing me.
magicarpet
(14,144 posts)Find that date in the listing - usually listed 1/2 hour to 45 minutes after the end of her show (10pm)on that same day. There you can watch TRMS.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I will do that. I really like her when I see embedded clips of her elsewhere.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)msnbc.com
not in real time, but the next day or later in the day.
are you unable to hear the posted podcast? i listened to it because i'm at work.
the administration is editing video and transcripts of press conferences etc. Helsinki in particular.
shraby
(21,946 posts)This is serious stuff!
spanone
(135,816 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)a lot of people watched that live. We heard the reporter's question and we heard Putin's answer. They can't make what so many people saw go away in our minds. So I'm not sure why Trump thinks taking this information out really helps him.
malaise
(268,910 posts)ooky
(8,922 posts)But we have to stick this lie in their faces, i.e. run our own ads revealing and countering this blatant lie. (n/t)
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)Changing the transcript and the video of the Helsinki news conference to edit out the question that was asked of Putin about whether or not Putin wished Trump to win and if he did anything to help that.
Changed the transcript and then edited the video...
Russia simply edited it all out... the White House edited it to change the nature of the question asked.
disinformation warfare against the American citizen practiced by both the US and Russian governments.
Then she went on to discuss Centcom commander's response to Russian news stories about "alignment of Russian and US military goals in Syria".
This is, in fact, really scary.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)charge of "fake news" and are going to tell the Trump base (and the world in general) that we didn't see what we saw. That their version is the "correct official version" and everything else is fake
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Seems to all be coming together with the fake news, blame Democrats, disregard for Constitution.
All hail shitler....
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)[NYT; Emily Cochrane
July 24, 2018]
Stick with us. Dont believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news, Mr. Trump said at the annual convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, as part of the crowd booed and hissed in the direction of the press corps.
...What youre seeing and what youre reading is not whats happening, added the president.
Staph
(6,251 posts)to demonstrate exactly what the White House and the Russians have removed from their official transcripts and video.
And all of the other networks (excepting Fox, of course) also have the unedited video!
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)they were doing a WTF did Trump just do... and the base was wondering WTF... and Comrade Donny couldn't have that... hence the doctored version so that Fox can "correct the record" (although they will never state that) and the base will be mollified.
BruceWane
(345 posts)My guess is Fox not only has the original, they helped with the editing.
Bill Shine, Trump's new deputy chief of staff overseeing communications, was #2 behind Roger Ailes at Fox news for 20+ years.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)The problem is that the Trumpers are likely to claim that the real version has been faked.
FM123
(10,053 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)Your worst fears are knocking at the door.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)does. She can connect the dots better than anyone.
ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)and accusing him of defying his commander in chief, their goal was very obvious. They are playing on Trump's ego, his pettiness and stupidity, laying the way for him to squash the general, and taking Russia's side over America.
Traitor!
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)I am not afraid because we are still a free people, free enough that we can see and hear this being exposed on nationwide television. I am fucking PISSED, LIVID. But not scared. Don't be scared because that is what they want. They want you demoralized and cowering in fear. Scream "NO!" to that! Scream "ENOUGH!" And call your Representatives and Senators! Hit the fucking streets! But DO NOT let them make you afraid. "Fear is the mind killer."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)All this disinformation is intend to confuse, discourage and dishearten. We can't let them do that to us.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)what it is, then let everyone in the country in on it. Then it is no secret.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Trump boldly stated "Don't believe what you read or see". He's got his Deplorable cultists in his pocket and the GOP congress won't do jack.
The part that scares me and angers me is that his followers will believe whatever he says, despite the video or corrected transcript. Theyve been totally indoctrinated.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)They do nothing. Obviously, we ask, WHY? Because their agenda is not done yet. They want to give tRump a little more time to finish everything on their wish list. And they are implicated in the whole shebang. So they cannot stop him yet. Maybe they will never do a thing because they all have something on each other. They are in a strangle hold, not knowing how it will all end.
Our only hope is to get as many Dems in the Congress as we can. However, with the Russians doing their dirty work and the Republicans using their tricks, we may be in for a battle royal. Mueller needs to spill the beans ASAP to bring this out in the open.
Buckle up, fellow DUers. I think we have some rough and tumble historic times ahead.
luvallpeeps
(935 posts)as those who WILL NOT SEE.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And hes talking to a shrinking percentage of the population.
For the first time in quite a while Im glad we live in a federalist system. Half or more of the governors in this country are willing to tell him to fuck off. And after the elections it will be a higher percentage than that.
And what are his supporters going to do? Cant raise too much hell on a hover round with an oxygen tank. Even those idiots from Charlottesville are either fighting each other or on trial.
If every Democratic leader would start laughing at him, and called him Putins apprentice every time they are on TV, it would be over in five months.
They thrive on out rage. Humiliation destroys them.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)when he was building his golf courses and they resisted. They found that the best weapon was humiliation and it worked really, really well.
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,289 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Only 105 days til the midterms.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)More informative opening posts are appreciated.
thank you
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I see the counter-dump strategy put forth with facts and precedent.
I am still shaken, but I also have hope.
Hope!
FloridaBlues
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)Turbineguy
(37,315 posts)People who are way smarter and way more honest than trump are on the move against him.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)Tonight: we are so fcking fckd.
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)I cannot believe we have 1984 in our fucking FACE right now and are still sheeple enough to just keep on going...myself included.
Terrifying indeed
triron
(21,995 posts)At least you are conscious of it. I am the same way.
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)live in a rural mtn hippie town...when I go to the "city" or travel around "infrastructure" I am horrified at the amount to which our fellow humans are "asleep" they are worker bees/consumers...with NO care of the greenhouse gasses or toxic shit created to make their toothbrush in China and then having the shit SHIPPED everywhere...
The machine is always running
and how lucky am I to be able to get a tomato at the store in rural sierras....
our lives are fragile
our allies matter
and in the face of this crazy, we need to work more closely with actual neighbors
VOX
(22,976 posts)Christ almighty, 45 really IS a Russian tool (heavy on the tool part).
Vote against Putin in November!! Vote Democratic!
triron
(21,995 posts)Will we heed it?
nycbos
(6,034 posts)That's the problem with these posts. Not everyone is glued to the TV. Some context would be helpful.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)filled in, pretty much.
ETA: Here is a link to a free MSNBC stream (in real time). I use it when I'm driving and unable watch at home:
http://www.livenewson.com/american/msnbc.html
Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)CozyMystery
(652 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)How do we know he was answering the first but not the second part of the question: ''and did you direct any of your officials to help him?" I think that is the most important part of the question.
triron
(21,995 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)Enough angst for today.
oasis
(49,376 posts)dalton99a
(81,443 posts)woodsprite
(11,910 posts)He sounds cold and calculating.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)I'm watching alone..... I picked the wrong week to:
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And that Kennedy has ties to Trump.
I view the mid-terms as our last stand. Well, the Mueller report and the mid-terms combined. This is it. When the country's democracy can be saved.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)I will probably try to process everything when I wake up in the middle of the night.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Trump is a dictator in the making.
murielm99
(30,733 posts)He is a dupe, being used by others.
When the repiggie congress has used him as much as they can, they will discard him. Putin can only prop him up for so long.
We will have a huge mess to clean up. It will take more years than I have left on this earth.
Vinca
(50,260 posts)This is intentional doctoring of official records, not a mistake.
oasis
(49,376 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)call, write, march, get engaged. Put your fear to good use.
#GOTV #BlueWave2018
we still have Rachel after all. it's scary i agree but fear cannot paralyze us at all. it should only motivate us to take back the power.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)One thing I noticed was that many judgeship's races were blank because we have the D primary ballot.