Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:16 AM Jul 2018

McCaskill Hack Likely Sign Of Massive Pending Attack Of Dems By Russian For November. GOP Happy.

I am sure that the Russians will laugh a tsunami of hacks by the Russians. And I am sure the GOP is overjoyed and welcomes it. The GOP shows signs of maximum resistance to trying to stop those attacks. They are desperate to hold power so they can destroy the US entirely and have their fiefdom.

20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
McCaskill Hack Likely Sign Of Massive Pending Attack Of Dems By Russian For November. GOP Happy. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jul 2018 OP
republicans last week voted to leave America undefended, and openly vulnerable Achilleaze Jul 2018 #1
Washington Post: House GOP refuses to renew election security funding Achilleaze Jul 2018 #2
It is a cyber coup. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #5
Joe is the guy watoos Jul 2018 #10
Gore should have never picked him as vp. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #11
I wonder how much more obvious they have to be...nt 2naSalit Jul 2018 #3
At least this time we have been warned. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #4
It doesn't matter watoos Jul 2018 #12
I agree....but, saying that depresses our turnout. Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #13
So the strategy is to keep mum? Farmer-Rick Jul 2018 #17
Not sure the DNC can afford that NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #15
Warren Buffet? Lebron James? Bette Midler? Rob Reiner? Funtatlaguy Jul 2018 #16
Hand counted paper ballots, or just hand the election over to the repubs, that is the choice! Meadowoak Jul 2018 #6
You better believe it. This is just Microsoft. UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #7
Could this increase suspicions whathehell Jul 2018 #8
We need one law passed very quickly. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #9
The cheating can be done easily by just programming the software in the voting machine. watoos Jul 2018 #14
Yup, without a fair and accurate vote count there is NO democracy. Farmer-Rick Jul 2018 #18
audit the software won't work. a malware can make changes & uninstall. Sunlei Jul 2018 #19
New Pa. resident HockeyMom Jul 2018 #20

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. republicans last week voted to leave America undefended, and openly vulnerable
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:27 AM
Jul 2018

That tells you a lot. republicans are casting their lot with the Evil Empire* and pissing on American democracy. Shameful in the extreme.

* per ronald freaking reagan

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. Washington Post: House GOP refuses to renew election security funding
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jul 2018

"House Republicans on Thursday voted down a Democratic effort to increase election security spending, as Democrats accused the GOP of refusing to stand up to Russia over interference in U.S. elections.

"In a vote along party lines, Republicans rejected Democrats’ motion for more funding, unmoved by Democrats’ vigorous pleas and chants of “USA! USA!” on the House floor.

"The election security funding vote came amid a national controversy over Russian election interference, and it comes days after President Trump appeared to accept Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s contention that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 presidential race — even though U.S. intelligence agencies say otherwise..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/house-gop-refuses-to-renew-election-security-funding-as-democrats-fume-over-russian-meddling/2018/07/18/20761f88-8abb-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2443ce56cec6

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
5. It is a cyber coup.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:48 AM
Jul 2018

Never thought I’d live to see this day. GOP in bed with Russians. Wow.
Old time war hawks Repubs like Dole and Bush 41 have to be incredulous.

Speaking of Repub hawks (oh, Independents, excuse me)...wtf is Lieberman? In all of this

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
4. At least this time we have been warned.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:45 AM
Jul 2018

The DNC should spend money at both the national and state levels to have cyber security experts in place or on call.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. It doesn't matter
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:13 AM
Jul 2018

If the voting machines are already programmed to flip votes, we are fucked. The reason that our intelligence stated that there was no evidence that votes were flipped is because no machines were randomly pulled out and independently audited. The right wing owners of the voting machines claim proprietary rights for their software.

Until we go back to paper ballots our elections are ripe for hacking. Oh and we need to win majorities in the states in the 2020 election because that's when the voting districts can be redrawn fairly.

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
13. I agree....but, saying that depresses our turnout.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:19 AM
Jul 2018

Most Dem strategists say that we have to win by 5% more than polling shows to keep the hackers from being able to get by with changing the outcome without suspicion.

Farmer-Rick

(10,125 posts)
17. So the strategy is to keep mum?
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jul 2018

I just wonder if it wouldn't be better to tell everyone that the Russians and RepubliCONS are rigging the machines and we need a huge turnout to overwhelm the cheat machine. That would motivate me more than just being silent about it.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. Not sure the DNC can afford that
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:25 AM
Jul 2018

maybe Tom Steyer or somebody similar?

(I don't think Soros has really donated in about 10 years now, so I wouldn't count on him)

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
7. You better believe it. This is just Microsoft.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:52 AM
Jul 2018

What about Facebook and the other social media companies?

Cambridge Analytica didn't go away they just changed names and business addresses.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
8. Could this increase suspicions
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:57 AM
Jul 2018

Mueller might have about House Repugs and lead him to include at least some of them in his investigation?

How sweet that might be.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
9. We need one law passed very quickly.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:05 AM
Jul 2018

Congress needs to pass a law requiring states to preserve all computer files, included uploaded precinct data, for tabulating total votes for at least two years after an election. Then if there are questions about vote totals, independenet computer experts (not the state) can examine the input files from the precincts and recompute them to compare with the totals reported. If there is a significant difference that would change an election result, then more review of the programming would happen. So what we need is a federal election forensics team whose purpose is to audit state records for hacking and fraud. When Georgia officials had quesrions about the 2016 results, they promptly erased the computer files and the backup files also. Every state should be required to make a mirror copy of all election files immediately after the election and immediately forward those copies to a new Election Fraud group.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. The cheating can be done easily by just programming the software in the voting machine.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:21 AM
Jul 2018

If a machine flips 4% of the votes from D to R the only way to know that is to have someone audit the software of the machine. The right wingers who own the voting machines won't allow random, independent audits of voting machines because they claim proprietary rights.

I vote on a machine in Pa. and every time I vote I ask for a paper receipt and am told that I can't get one, the only paper receipt is for the final tally and then it's too late.

Farmer-Rick

(10,125 posts)
18. Yup, without a fair and accurate vote count there is NO democracy.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jul 2018

The RepubliCONS sold our democracy to Russia.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. audit the software won't work. a malware can make changes & uninstall.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jul 2018

couple years ago a malware that uninstalls after changes was found by security on Ukraine's voting machines.

Only reason it was found was because machines were examined beforevoting started.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
20. New Pa. resident
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 09:04 AM
Jul 2018

Voted for the first time last November. Very surprised to see that you could press and vote straight Party line. Never saw that before voting in NY and Florida over 30 years. My first thought was that this is very dangerous, and easy to flip all votes to the other Party. No?

After a very bad experience first time voting at polls in Florida, I always voted by Absentee Ballot. Presidential elections I drove to the local Board of Elections, handed my envelop to the clerk, and saw her put it in a big bin marked Absentee Ballots.

Absentee Ballots require human intervention. Take out of the bin, check signature on envelop, open the envelop, etc., etc. When I did mail it in, I could check online to see if my ballot had been received. Does Pa. do this?

I think I will request an Absentee Ballot here too. At the very least I will not be pushing any button to vote straight Party line. Just take the time and vote for each individual candidate.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»McCaskill Hack Likely Sig...