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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:32 PM Jul 2018

Why would Michael Cohen say that he didn't tape the meeting with Trump and his son?

Michael Cohen says that Donald Trump, Donnie Jr. and a couple of others met to discuss the upcoming, infamous June 9 meeting with the Russians. In that meeting, Donnie Jr., according to Cohen, asked his father what he thought. Cohen contends that Trump Sr. thought it was a good idea, and to proceed.

Now, in the same report that leaked the fact that Cohen was ready to testify to that to the Mueller team, the report says that there is no tape of the meeting.

Why would you disclose that? Wouldn't it be better if the other participants didn't know whether or not they were recorded? Under those circumstances they wouldn't know how to testify. Tell the truth and hang one another or lie, and a recording would result in perjury.

Then, I thought, maybe there is a tape and Cohen (or the prosecutors) want the participants to think there isn't a recording, in which case they will perjure themselves.

This is getting very, very interesting.

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Why would Michael Cohen say that he didn't tape the meeting with Trump and his son? (Original Post) louis c Jul 2018 OP
We just don't know who leaked the information - thus be wary - there is no asiliveandbreathe Jul 2018 #1
Exactly htuttle Jul 2018 #3
That would be the double-dip, sneaky-whip, taping trip worthy of.... Achilleaze Jul 2018 #2
To trap all the others ksoze Jul 2018 #4
I like your thinking....BAM! Let's go Cohen!!!! asiliveandbreathe Jul 2018 #7
Couldn't they argue entrapment? nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #22
How would Robert Mueller be guilty of that? PJMcK Jul 2018 #26
You're likely right. Would not put anything past those scumbags. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #28
I thought that Trump's team had access to all the evidence the Feds got in the redstateblues Jul 2018 #5
No. I think the master got it all... louis c Jul 2018 #9
No, the Trump organization has seen all of it oberliner Jul 2018 #21
Trump or someone else w allegiance to Russia leaked this- probably falsifying details bettyellen Jul 2018 #6
Seriously doubt that. triron Jul 2018 #8
It's hard to know who to believe. And that is by design. bettyellen Jul 2018 #12
CNN had a responsibility to verify the story. They didn't. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #11
Is t that assuming it came from Cohen? I think others must be in a position to know. bettyellen Jul 2018 #17
What are you pissed about? Every sentient being knows trump knew about that meeting... brush Jul 2018 #20
Pissed at CNN for falling for a Giuliani ratf*cking in order to have a scoop. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #24
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #16
Not sure what you mean? "Falsifying detail" meaning Cohen didn't hear Jr. tell... brush Jul 2018 #18
Well, if it's coming from a trump or Russia ally, I'd expect a mix of the truth and a lie... bettyellen Jul 2018 #25
CNN really blew that story last night. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #10
In fact, John Dean on CNN JenniferJuniper Jul 2018 #13
Oh snap! lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #14
Nobody said the trump people were the sharpest knives in the drawer. brush Jul 2018 #19
WOW Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #23
Damn !!! This does not help uponit7771 Jul 2018 #15
The epitome of an upside down world...I'm actually rooting for Cohen these days ??? n/t CincyDem Jul 2018 #27
Donald Trump, Donnie Jr. and a couple 42bambi Jul 2018 #29
No indication that meeting was in cohens office beachbum bob Jul 2018 #30

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
1. We just don't know who leaked the information - thus be wary - there is no
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jul 2018

tape..depends on who put this out!!!

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
3. Exactly
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jul 2018

Lanny Davis denied that they leaked the information.

They did not deny the truth of the information, however, which may lead one to believe that Cohen has already flipped, or is in negotiations to do so.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. That would be the double-dip, sneaky-whip, taping trip worthy of....
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jul 2018

...KGOP republicans who have been tragically infected with notoriously duplitious republican family values.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
4. To trap all the others
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:38 PM
Jul 2018

They feel confident lying thinking it is he said, he said. Once they are under oath, bam the tape locks in perjury.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
7. I like your thinking....BAM! Let's go Cohen!!!!
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:41 PM
Jul 2018

This whole saga can come screeching to a halt, NOW,,afa as I am concerned....

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
26. How would Robert Mueller be guilty of that?
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jul 2018

Neither he nor his prosecutors said where was no tape of the meeting. Cohen's attorney says that they didn't leak that information.

Let's try a thought experiment. Which party in this mess always leaks? Why, of course! It's Trump himself!

I think Trump is muddying the waters, as usual.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
5. I thought that Trump's team had access to all the evidence the Feds got in the
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:39 PM
Jul 2018

raid of Cohen’s home and office in order to determine what was covered under attorney/client privilege.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
9. No. I think the master got it all...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jul 2018

...and only the ones that were attorney-client privileged were given back to the Cohen/Trump team.

The master then gave the rest back to the prosecution team.

The Cohen/Trump team won't see the rest until discovery. That won't happen until after someone is charged.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. No, the Trump organization has seen all of it
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jul 2018
Trump Organization Must End Cohen Document Review by July 5

The Trump Organization has until July 5 to complete its review of the last of the 4 million files seized by the FBI from Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and personal fixer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/trump-organization-has-until-july-5-for-cohen-document-review
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. Trump or someone else w allegiance to Russia leaked this- probably falsifying details
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:39 PM
Jul 2018

In order to confuse people and help their agenda.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. It's hard to know who to believe. And that is by design.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

But there is nothing in it for Cohen, and Russia benefits more than anyone by piling in the lies and confusion.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
11. CNN had a responsibility to verify the story. They didn't.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

Now it's nearly impossible to correct in the public discourse.

I'm kinda pissed about that. Irresponsible. Or someone at CNN is a stooge.

brush

(53,743 posts)
20. What are you pissed about? Every sentient being knows trump knew about that meeting...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:35 PM
Jul 2018

along with Mueller who also knows who the blocked humber belongs to which Jr. called before and after the meeting.

Take a guess who got those calls.

I'm glad the info is out there. It may no be "ballgame" but the closer is getting ready to come in from the bullpin with a list of all the others in the meeting.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
24. Pissed at CNN for falling for a Giuliani ratf*cking in order to have a scoop.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jul 2018

It's impossible to put the horse back in the barn. The narrative is wrong. Cohen DIDN'T make that claim last night. Giuliani made that up as a sort of nutball strategy.

brush

(53,743 posts)
18. Not sure what you mean? "Falsifying detail" meaning Cohen didn't hear Jr. tell...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jul 2018

tump with witnesses present about the upcoming TT meeting, or that he said he didn't tape the meeting where trump was told?

Cohen probably was more discreet in his taping than to do it in front of several witnesses he didn't want in on it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. Well, if it's coming from a trump or Russia ally, I'd expect a mix of the truth and a lie...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jul 2018

It’s often what they do to confuse and exhaust people. So my feeling is, while the main part maybe true, some details like “no tapes” could easily be a lie. If tapes show up, it gives them a basis to discredit them as fake.
Cohen maybe willing to tell the truth about this now, but I don’t trust anyone else who knows what he knows. yNWIM?

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
10. CNN really blew that story last night.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jul 2018

Lanny Davis denied it was released by Cohen or his team.

And yet it's everywhere today that "Cohen claims...."

CNN ran with that story without verifying it??? That's scary.

JenniferJuniper

(4,507 posts)
13. In fact, John Dean on CNN
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jul 2018

said, "MSNBC is reporting tonight that the Trump camp released it", and he was more or less told to shut up by the host. (Cuomo, I think?)

Interesting.

brush

(53,743 posts)
19. Nobody said the trump people were the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jul 2018

By releasing it, they admitted to collusion.

"Take that, Cuomo. That'll teach you."

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
29. Donald Trump, Donnie Jr. and a couple
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

of others met to discuss -- could be the meeting Cohen was referring to.

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