Salon: Democratic moderates fear the socialist left will wreck the party...
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None of this makes clear why powerful people like Comey and Lieberman are so worried about a small-scale insurrection within the Democratic Party that is nowhere near as "far from the mainstream" as they pretend, and is also a long way from staging a coup and hanging portraits of Trotsky and Che in DNC headquarters. Socialist-dread syndrome also appears to have driven the recent gathering of “moderate” Democrats in Columbus, Ohio, under the aegis of the think tank Third Way, as reported in a widely circulated piece by Alex Seitz-Wald of NBC News (a former Salon staffer).
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Markell is absolutely right: A debate is overdue. But a debate about what? The problem for Democratic moderates is precisely that they will not define or explain their positions clearly, except in wonky, granular, political-calculus terms, in large part because their ideas are widely discredited and massively unpopular.
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Attendees at the Third Way conference were clearly aware that middle-path Democrats will need big, new ideas in order to compete successfully with Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, debt-free college and the other dangerous pinko proposals that would have had near-unanimous support in the pre-Reagan Democratic Party. Here's what they came up with: A private-sector, employer-funded universal pension plan to supplement Social Security. OK, I'm just spitballing, but that probably isn’t going to suck the wind out of the red sails of Bernie’s fleet and sweep Mitch Landrieu (or whomever) into the White House.
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Those who shut down such internal conflict and purged the activist left from the Democratic Party, on the premise that it was the only possible way to win elections in a "centrist," anti-ideological nation, have never faced the consequences of their historic blunder. They have lost repeatedly and on a grand scale, insisting every time that they really should have won — or in some other, better world, did win — and that whatever went wrong was somebody else’s fault. They are the ones who appear committed to an inflexible, dogmatic ideology that is out of step with political reality. They are surprised and outraged to learn that if they want to continue their losing streak, they will have to fight for it.
Much more at :
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/28/democratic-moderates-fear-the-socialist-left-will-wreck-the-party-they-want-to-keep-that-gig/
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+40!
Besides, everyone knows you are an avid Bernie supporter. Of course you don't trash him or his supporters.
I need my coffee~
but some people sure are. What's interesting is that this article makes the same point only Joe Crowley can save us from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her modest contingent within the party. As has been pointed out "soon forgotten after Nov 6th". By the way your HA Goodman didn't write the article .
"the same as repubs".. just fuck em'.
We have Elections to WIN!
peggysue 
Weak. Sad!
Weak. Sad!
Give some ground for a change, "step off, right-wing Dems!!111"
For example, it's like family dynamics. If people, family members, aren't welcome or wanted in your family circle do you think they will come when you call just because you need them? 
already embraced as a very minor faction making noise that will be forgotten after Nov. 6th.
Propaganda is being pumped up to create chaos within our party. The article is a total farse trying to alienate and push us apart. Team Blue is big enough for us all.
The psyops on the US citizens continues to play on emotions and pit us against one another. I see your point about getting the correct information out there. I think we're on the same page. 
trashing this thread .
Whoever you are, wherever you are, whatever they are - "Just win, baby!"
first and you probably know this already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
second: one of bernies ideological mentors...https://duckduckgo.com/?q=eugene+debs+socialist&t=ffnt&ia=web
third: a personal note https://www.facebook.com/YDSABU/still there and in my day had a strong racist strain like those in the meeting did not like my colour, exactly as I found in the bernie organizing group here locally during the 2016 primary season in my town. Of course, I was, as usual, the only chocolate chip in a sea of white chocolate along with a couple of POC identifying with the majority members that had shown up. I cursed Bernie and his people from that day on and started researching his background. Not many people knew I flirted with this ideology. AOC is finally a winner and she is from BU socialist group, I guess. That's progress? Right. But then againI visited their group, 1970, and I was NOT readily accepted
https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2018/04/11/black-political-power-means-zilch-n2469116
this article is typical of the democratic-socialist ideology that will not acknowledge or try to change anything about the systemic institutional racism that PREVENTS the AA, in any great threatening numbers, from "positioning themselves to take advantage of opportunities" that white people take advantage of and feel entitled too by the privilege of white skin coloring. And always have counselled AA on getting rid of the negative attitude, anger and resentment against a system of institutional and systemic racism ALWAYS being used against ALL AA only because of skin colour and the threat white people feel immediately upon seeing it. Democratic-socialist believe this most readily.
And today, 2018 the very same racism is at work. It is still true, even for a President Obama, that to achieve what is taken for granted by those who enjoy WHITE PRIVILEGE AND ENTITLEMENT. The struggles to take advantage of the benefits of this society as enjoyed by those mentioned in the article above, to be included into ameriKKKan society and who faced obstruction, if they chose to, had only to climb over a mound of dirt vs the two mountains an AA must overcome to get the same benefits enjoyed by those obstructed European people(s). It's always been easy for white people, even today, to say, "if only you black people would work harder, you can achieve what I have". Yeah tell that to someone who worked extremely hard climbing those three mountains only to find, after achieving, they are still hated for their colour, not their achievements or character.
Anyone remember FLOTUS Michelle Obama being called an ape-monkey? I will always remember the repthugliKKKan snake calling the President, out loud, a liar during his first SOU speech. Nothing like that heard in my lifetime against a white POTUS? Anyone remember repthugliKKKans leaking to MSM where Sasha and Malia were on vacation? With the two drunk and wild bush first-daughters, the media always had to dig for that type information.
White skin has always melted into the pot seamlessly with very little problem. They would finally overcome the prejudice, intra-racial and cultural. While the interracial racism practised by them and all white skinned ameriKKKans against the ex-slave, is not, to this day, addressed. Whitesplaining democratic-socialists who always point to the European who faced prejudice and overcame ALWAYS asks why can't you black people overcome? I ask you to answer that. Democratic-socialism likes the colour-blind approach, yet is very colour conscious in my experience. Have a good one.
Although I meant specific policies, I see now what you were speaking about. Thanks for taking the time.
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I just don't trust BS outside of those policies you mention, I've always voted for Democrats because they have fought for what BS has usurped as policies and have fought for total inclusion and equality of all races, cultures, something a socialist does NOT address. Making more money, having healthcare does not stop racial division or white racism. Racism out here is a serious problem. Being able to attend tuition-free college does not stop racism. Making the rich pay more taxes does not stop a MAJOR ameriKKKan problem, racism. Trust him as far as I can throw my 65-pound dog. GOTV for the Democrats, not factions within our Party that are not Democrats. Democratic Party has always fought for those policies usurped by BS as his policies. The 1% lie by him about our Party is unconscionable. That's divisive.
for an end to inequality among the races, genders and SO, always. Nothing in this OP about the 'progressive' platform is new. Old constant struggles, dressed up as new. Won't work to try to divide us further. Just GOTvoters, that our priority now. Not who wants to rule our Party with an outdated ideology and shown consistently to be not workable in American society. Maybe a socialist country somewhere in the world, but not here.
GOTV!
