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Another election stolen by the GOP: THOUSANDS of votes not counted or "stuck in the voting machines"



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Reply Another election stolen by the GOP: THOUSANDS of votes not counted or "stuck in the voting machines" (Original post)
liberalnarb Aug 2018 OP
lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #1
liberalnarb Aug 2018 #2
erlewyne Aug 2018 #33
DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #51
Hortensis Aug 2018 #62
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #73
Hortensis Aug 2018 #74
zanana1 Aug 2018 #95
arthritisR_US Aug 2018 #3
Renew Deal Aug 2018 #4
NCTraveler Aug 2018 #6
Renew Deal Aug 2018 #9
liberalnarb Aug 2018 #11
arthritisR_US Aug 2018 #24
mythology Aug 2018 #25
PaulX2 Aug 2018 #26
JunkYardDogg Aug 2018 #39
radical noodle Aug 2018 #43
DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #54
still_one Aug 2018 #81
UpInArms Aug 2018 #96
bluestarone Aug 2018 #5
BSdetect Aug 2018 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #17
Botany Aug 2018 #8
mopinko Aug 2018 #12
PaulX2 Aug 2018 #27
radical noodle Aug 2018 #45
Botany Aug 2018 #48
radical noodle Aug 2018 #92
Botany Aug 2018 #97
radical noodle Aug 2018 #99
CrispyQ Aug 2018 #10
LiberalArkie Aug 2018 #14
CrispyQ Aug 2018 #34
MGKrebs Aug 2018 #42
brush Aug 2018 #58
CrispyQ Aug 2018 #59
Blue_true Aug 2018 #89
CrispyQ Aug 2018 #98
Blue_true Aug 2018 #88
aeromanKC Aug 2018 #20
TheFrenchRazor Aug 2018 #102
Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #13
calimary Aug 2018 #65
Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #94
Chakaconcarne Aug 2018 #15
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #70
brooklynite Aug 2018 #16
liberalnarb Aug 2018 #21
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #68
eleny Aug 2018 #29
brooklynite Aug 2018 #36
eleny Aug 2018 #80
mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #87
uponit7771 Aug 2018 #76
JunkYardDogg Aug 2018 #47
brooklynite Aug 2018 #52
MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #61
JunkYardDogg Aug 2018 #82
karin_sj Aug 2018 #18
eleny Aug 2018 #32
2naSalit Aug 2018 #55
eleny Aug 2018 #64
2naSalit Aug 2018 #90
karin_sj Aug 2018 #83
rzemanfl Aug 2018 #56
eleny Aug 2018 #66
karin_sj Aug 2018 #84
DoctorJoJo Aug 2018 #19
Botany Aug 2018 #22
elmac Aug 2018 #23
Kaleva Aug 2018 #28
oberliner Aug 2018 #30
heaven05 Aug 2018 #31
Saboburns Aug 2018 #35
YOHABLO Aug 2018 #53
karin_sj Aug 2018 #85
SQUEE Aug 2018 #91
karin_sj Aug 2018 #93
Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #37
DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2018 #63
ananda Aug 2018 #38
FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #67
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Cosmocat Aug 2018 #41
onenote Aug 2018 #69
diva77 Aug 2018 #44
turbinetree Aug 2018 #46
onenote Aug 2018 #71
targetpractice Aug 2018 #49
SansACause Aug 2018 #50
spanone Aug 2018 #57
world wide wally Aug 2018 #60
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #72
brooklynite Aug 2018 #79
uponit7771 Aug 2018 #75
certainot Aug 2018 #77
Hoyt Aug 2018 #78
colsohlibgal Aug 2018 #86
ck4829 Aug 2018 #100
Botany Aug 2018 #101

Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:04 PM

1. yup... when O'conner was only ahead by a few thousand votes

I posted that "it's now close enough for the GOP to steal it"

Pretty sure I was right.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:05 PM

2. Spot on.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:42 PM

33. Que sera sera

We knew it was going to happen!

EW

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:37 PM

51. EVERYONE WHO CAN: Surround the Ohio-12th City Hall

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #51)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:59 PM

62. Maybe calm down? OH's elections chief says 8000 votes

are not yet tallied, provisionals. By law, these cannot be reported until August 18.

Surely most already heard this last night, so what's changed except the source?

No one should be listening to known liars and RT agents like Thom Hartmann. And a quick google would have revealed no reputable source is putting this spin on this at this point.

Once again, we are not damned trumpsters. We are the smart, principled ones.

santamariatimes.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/the-latest-votes-outstanding-in-ohio-special-election/article_5b4ffce5-dbbd-509b-ad76-6eeefcea13a0.html

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #62)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:17 PM

73. People love to ignore the facts for a flashy conspiracy theory.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #73)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:28 PM

74. Also when worst fears are triggered by agitprop.

Which manipulative creeps like Hartmann know very well. It's in Subversive Propaganda Techniques for Dummies.

We really, really need to routinely google confirmatory sources for new information, before even reading past a headline if names of known agitprop agents like Thom Hartmann's show up.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #62)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:01 AM

95. Thank you for that. nt

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:06 PM

3. I haven't heard a word about this on MSM😡😡

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:09 PM

4. MSNBC said last night that there were 8,400 ballots in this category

I don't know what happened to those ballots.

Here is an article from today: https://www.wsj.com/articles/uncounted-ballots-to-decide-critical-ohio-kansas-races-1533744030

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:11 PM

6. I thought those 8,000 + were to be counted in the coming days. Nt

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:15 PM

11. If the right wingers don't burn them first. nt

 

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:24 PM

24. Thanks🙂 wondering if those are the same

Ballots Palast was referring to?

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:27 PM

25. Do you hear them talk about people who think the moon landing was fake?

 

Greg Palast is a conspiracy theorist. His claims always end up being nonsense.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:28 PM

26. Riiiiight

 

Anything you say Mr. Bush.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:06 PM

39. Really?????

So, the Inter State Voter Registration Cross Check Program is a hoax?
The massive voter rolls purges are , what, a hoax, false news?
You DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE F you are talking about

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:20 PM

43. While I don't trust the GOP at all

I agree that I wouldn't be too quick to jump on Greg Palast's little red wagon either.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:44 PM

54. Sorry, Palast has been shown to be correct.

Articles in Rolling Stone, The Guardian, and follow up articles by scores of others in the major papers. Or you can believe Putin and his Republican mercenaries.

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:43 PM

81. He sure did that in 2016, and actually lied when he said California doesn't count their provisional

ballots

California counts ALL their ballots


https://www.gregpalast.com/bernie-won-california-official-un-count/

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Response to mythology (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:18 AM

96. Troll much?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:10 PM

5. IF they are lost there should be

RIOTS IN THE STREET OF THIS DISTRICT!!!!!!!

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:11 PM

7. How long will this bullshit continue. Widespread in US elections.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:09 PM

17. Until Democrats take state legislatures & make it a national priority.


Too much "states rights" on this issue.

There should be permanent independent national districting commissions. There should be uniform voting regulations nationwide that ensure transparency: no black box unauditable voting machines and vote tabulation systems.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:11 PM

8. B.S.

Last edited Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:55 AM - Edit history (1)


10,000 votes in a single precinct?

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Response to Botany (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:19 PM

12. investigate the damn provisional ballots.

someone should file a foia or something to examine these ballots, examine the voters voting record, and talk to the voters about what happened at the polls.

evidence hiding in plain sight.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:30 PM

27. But The Supreme Court Will Order All Ballots From Dem Areas Burned

 

Just like the ones in Alabama with Don Siegelman.

We are always getting screwed.

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Response to Botany (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:25 PM

45. I don't think that's in a precinct

I think it was in the entire district.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:28 PM

48. some parts of Palast's statement hit me as B.S..

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:01 PM

92. His statements often hit me that way

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #92)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:46 AM

97. I have done election protection work in Franklin County, OH for years ....

.... and at least from the O.P., Palast's statements are pure bullshit.

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Response to Botany (Reply #97)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:33 PM

99. There are always a few willing to believe

I'm happy to hear that it's not true from someone who knows.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:14 PM

10. PAPER BALLOTS COUNTED BY HUMAN BEINGS.

No more electronic touch screens and no more black box tabulators.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:04 PM

14. The ballots in question are indeed paper ballots.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:52 PM

34. Most paper ballots are fed through an electronic tabulator,

where the vote is then digitized & can be manipulated. We need paper ballots counted by human beings.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:20 PM

42. That's not necessarily any more accurate.

The point is to have the paper ballot so that someone ELSE can go back and recount or audit as necessary.

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Response to MGKrebs (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:50 PM

58. Both parties, or all parties, have reps there to witness the counting.

We are capable of getting it right until digital systems are cheat proof.

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Response to MGKrebs (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:51 PM

59. If they bother with recounts & audits.

With tabulators, they can tally the count, figure how many votes they need to flip to take the count outside the margin of a recall. Sure humans are fallible, but with black box tabulators, vote tampering can be done with surgical precision.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:49 PM

89. Yeah, and get lost in trash cans or dumpsters in another county.

I suggest something, tell everyone you know who votes third party that they are mutilating their own gonads. Things won't change until republicans are voted out of office massively.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #89)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:38 AM

98. You're naive if you think the level of tampering is the same when humans do the counting.

Third party voters aren't the problem. The non-voters are.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:46 PM

88. Shhhh. nt

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:12 PM

20. Speaking of Touch Screen shenanagins: SOS Kobach orders new Touchscreens for KS

And what do you know, in a high population Moderate GOP district (Johnson County) there was a last minute glitch.

$10 million for Johnson County, KS' new touchscreen voting systems that failed today and are taking forever to report their unverifiable barcoded results tonight. Chosen by the guy appointed by Kris Kobach to run JoCo elections, btw.


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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 05:53 PM

102. this. nt

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:00 PM

13. How con-veeeen-ient

 

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Response to Older Than I Look (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:03 PM

65. Welcome to DU, Older Than I Look!

None of this surprises me. The CONS proved years ago that the only way they know they can win is if they cheat. Exhibit A: bush/cheney and the stolen elections. REEKED of conflict-of-interest. The Florida state party chair for the GOP in the 2000 election season just happened to be the Florida Secretary of State. Then, again in 2004, same thing, only this time it was republi-CON Kenneth Blackwell with those same two key election-related jobs in Ohio.

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Response to calimary (Reply #65)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:31 AM

94. Thank you!

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:06 PM

15. Couldn't O'Connor ask this be looked into?

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:15 PM

70. There's nothing to be looked into. Provisional ballots aren't counted until next week.

The tweet and headline are completely slanted and misleading.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:08 PM

16. Your OP title is completely misleading...

This is NOT an example of a stolen election. Provisional ballots won't be counted for another week.

Perhaps you should ask why a bunch of radio hosts figured out this "scandal" but Danny O'Connor didn't?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:13 PM

21. I have no doubt these gopers are going to tamper with the provisional ballots before the count.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:12 PM

68. You literally have zero proof of that.

Sometimes, you just don't win elections. O'Conner ran a magnificent campaign.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:39 PM

29. People who filled out provisional ballots have to now prove they're eligible

I don't know how they can be counted in another week. This will take some time for them to prove their eligibility and then be counted. Plenty of time for more Republican shenanigans which is what's being pointed out.

Given the neighborhoods where this has taken place it should be a Democratic win. I'm hoping for the best but fear the worst as that's how Republicans excel.

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Response to eleny (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:57 PM

36. My point is that they don't start counting them for a week...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:39 PM

80. I understood that. But how can they start counting so fast?

They have to contact the provisionals and give them time to verify their eligibility. A week is way optimistic.

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Response to eleny (Reply #80)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:41 PM

87. Maybe they don't all need to be verified for some reason?

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Response to eleny (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:31 PM

76. Yep, Some DU'rs swore up and down that the only way to steal an election via provisional ballots

... is to have people complain cause there's no exit polling for them.

Of course people wont complain if they think they're going to have their ballots counted !!!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:28 PM

47. Probably for the same reason Gore & his peeps did not fight back

These are not just run of the mill radio hosts. These are people who have actively devoted their lives to fighting election manipulation and attacks on election integrity. They do know what they are talking about.
And yes, evidently, the Ohio Constitution states that provisional ballots must wait 10 days to be counted.
But if there are problems with ballots, besides provisional ballots, chances are, based on Ohio's history, they will not be handled in a transparent fashion.
In the mainstream, traditional Political Party "philosophy", there is still the fear of being labeled CT paranoids for complaining and fighting back against Election and ballot manipulation.

Most mainstream Dems will not and are not aware of massive ballot disappearances, Ohio SoS Husted's blatant attacks on Election Integrity, his massive voter rolls purging.
Bob Fitrakis has, since 2000, investigated and documented the significant election manipulation in Ohio. Court orders to preserve ballots are ignored, ballots "disappear", every attempt to investigate election tampering is thwarted, Ohio elections are corrupt beyond imagination.
And, our side,...

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Response to JunkYardDogg (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:38 PM

52. What you're saying is that not one Democratic candidate in any year had the courage to allege this..

I happen to know some of these past candidates, as well as ODP leadership. I'll go with their judgement.

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Response to JunkYardDogg (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:54 PM

61. Gore fought all the way to the Supreme Court.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #61)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:57 PM

82. They did not fight on the interference

of the Brooks Brothers Riot stopping the recount
The election was corrupted

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:09 PM

18. We cannot trust any our elections anymore

As long as the voting machines are easily hacked, with no paper trail, and made by corporations that favor republicans.

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Response to karin_sj (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:42 PM

32. Stop it - just stop that kind of negativity and hopelessness - It has no place here at DU

Or anywhere else for that matter. It's a Republican and Russian talking point. So don't fall for it yourself and don't spread it here, either. It's only reason for being spread is to cause people give up and not vote and that's not what DU is about.

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Response to eleny (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:46 PM

55. +1!

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #55)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:01 PM

64. Thx!

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Response to eleny (Reply #64)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:54 PM

90. You're welcome.

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Response to eleny (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:09 PM

83. It's not negative and hopeless

It's the truth. And it's why we need to turn out in greater numbers than ever. Putting blinders on and thinking it's all going to work out isn't going to help matters.

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Response to karin_sj (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:48 PM

56. I'll get back to you after I wash my socks. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:04 PM

66. Lol!

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Response to eleny (Reply #66)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:16 PM

84. You guys are such comedians

It's really funny that Russia has infiltrated many of our voting systems, that the districts have been gerrymandered so much as to shut Democrats out of many areas, that voting machines aren't working properly, etc., etc. Nothing to see here.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:12 PM

19. Yep--It Is Ohio and I'm Embarrassed to Live Here!

 

Repukes OWN this state, have gerrymandered it into a series of slithering snakes, and always have THEIR SOS in charge of voting. Remember, in Ohio its not how the votes are cast, but how they are counted. And these pukes just ask one question: "How many more do we need!"

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:16 PM

22. I have two problems w/Palast's tweet

A precinct in Franklin County had 10,000 voters?

Most all of the minority precincts in Franklin County were
gerrymandered out the 12th district.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:20 PM

23. Deja vu

 

From 2016
Thousands of Absentee and Provisional Ballots Will be Tossed Out. Here's Why, and How to Avoid It


https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/thousands-of-absentee-and-provisional-ballots-will-be-tossed-out-next-month-heres-why-and-how-to-avoid-it/Content?oid=4971987

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:33 PM

28. I find it hard to believe there are 10k uncounted ballots mostly in one Dem precinct

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:40 PM

30. To say nothing of the voting issues in Johnson County, KS

 

Im embarrassed for our county. Johnson County election commissioner explains delay

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article216290855.html

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:41 PM

31. is this true?

 

voter suppression in minority communities, again?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:55 PM

35. Why wouldn't Republicans cheat?

Out right cheating has worked so well for them in the past.

Gerrymandering districts is a particularly effective form of cheating, and the GOP has turned it into an art form. Hells Bells even when they over reach and some judge somewhere says something about it, Republicans sue, stall, wait, until the fuss dies down but NOTHING IS EVER DONE ABOUT IT.

Kicking Demorats off the voting rolls, especially minority voters, is just business as usual. An article here or there is written but I notice NOT A DAMN THING CHANGES. And every election cycle I read where thousands of Democratic voters were mistakenly removed from the voting rolls. Oh shoot and awe shucks we'll fix it for next time but no you can't vote today.

Hell Republicans actually got the US Supreme Court to order that the COUNTING OF VOTES BE STOPPED IN FLORIDA IN MID-COUNT while Bush was ahead by 800 votes. My God legally cast votes WEREN'T EVEN COUNTED IN A UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

I've read a thousand articles and watched a thousand more YouTube videos showing how f*cking easy it is to hack, alter, flip, and change the electronic vote machines, software, and vote tallies. BUT NOTHING EVER CHANGES, THERE'S STILL NO PAPER TRAIL, AND MORE E -VOTING TAKES PLACE EVERY ELECTION.

Knowing Republicans like you do, do you really think they wouldn't stoop to hacking the vote if they could?

So of course they cheat as much as they can. They cheat for the same reason Donald Trump lies. They face no consequences, but are rewarded bigly for doing it.

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Response to Saboburns (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:38 PM

53. NO, the word 'cheat' is incorrect. 'Steal' is the correct word.

 

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Response to Saboburns (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:58 PM

85. Totally agree with you

I joined DU in 1995, right after GWB stole the 1994 election from Al Gore. And I was here when Kerry got the presidency stolen from him. Here we are, 22 years later and it's STILL happening! We still don't have paper trails, our voting machines are still insecure, gerrymandering is still going strong, and now we have the added assault on our elections from Russian attacks via social media and hacking the voter rolls and machines.

Little to nothing is being done to counter this. In fact, just the opposite as evidenced by the Republicans refusing to renew funding for election security and not holding Russia responsible for what they did in the 2016 election. At this point, we need to turn up and vote in HUGE numbers in order to counter all of this. And each of us needs to be responsible for double-checking to make sure we're still on the voter rolls so we don't end up having to use a provisional ballot. And dammit, we need to force the Democratic politicians to focus on ensuring election integrity when they win back the House & Senate in November!

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Response to karin_sj (Reply #85)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:00 PM

91. you joined where after what?

really?

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #91)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:02 AM

93. Arghh!

I don't know how I did it, but I got the year wrong since GWB was elected in 2001, which means I've actually been a member for 17 years, not 22. That's what I get for multi-tasking while posting!

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:00 PM

37. Time for UN Monitors it seems like.

If this keeps happening and Congress won't act, then it's up to a court order and the rest of the world to assist the American People as we have in countless other occasions in 250 or so years. The American People need a Delegation to the UN to request it.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #37)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:01 PM

63. International monitors have already been present in some areas

We had some here in 2016, not sure for these special elections though. Some states ban or heavily restrict them. Other states explicitly allow them, and some have no laws regarding them. The States run elections so it's up to them.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:03 PM

38. Are Dems speaking out? This should be front page news!

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Response to ananda (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:12 PM

67. A few are composing a strongly-worded letter

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:06 PM

40. hand counting is possible. those machines CAN be opened. not shredders.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:08 PM

41. This is specious information

First off, spoiled ballots aren't counted, because ... they are spoiled, and the voter casts another ballot in their place.

Second, there were a total of roughly 200,000 votes counted in that race in Franklin County- very hard to envision that there would be 1 provisional or absentee ballot for every 20 that was submitted during that day.

I have worked a poll for a decade now, average turnout probably around 300 voters an election, we literally have never had a provisional ballot cast in our precinct during that time - you can count on one hand the total number of provisionals an average election our county. We probably get five or so absentee ballots an election.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #41)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:13 PM

69. Actually, only 71,000 votes were cast in Franklin County

which makes the claim that there were 10,000 provisional/spoiled ballots in that one county even more unlikely.

There are published figures for the number of absentee and provisional ballots by county. In Franklin County there are 1091 absentee ballots and 1349 provisional ballots. In the next largest county, Delaware, there are 1207 absentee ballots and 1080 provisional ballots. And in the third largest county, there are 1755 absentee ballots and 603 provisional ballots. With respect to the votes counted thus far, Franklin went for O'Connor by around 65-35, while Delaware went for Balderson by around 54-46. The remaining counties went for Balderson by around 60-40 (rough estimate).

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:22 PM

44. Due to election fraud, the blue wave is in danger of becoming a blue trickle

Why doesn't the media hold academic "experts" accountable and make them factor in election fraud when trying to explain results according to "the mood of the voters" and "the effectiveness of the politician's message."

I will be writing PBS newshour to strongly urge them to interview Greg Palast on the air. I will also strongly urge them to interview a panel of Secretaries of State versus Computer Experts with the hope that the Computer Experts will explain how vulnerable and corrupt our proprietary (and nonproprietary) computerized voting systems are and perhaps shame the SOS's into conceding that they should decertify the machines.


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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:27 PM

46. All it would take is one set of voters and file a lawsuit................

Maybe Sherrod Brown could file a lawsuit on this......................this is bull shit................

+9,990 disenfranchised voters.........

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #46)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:16 PM

71. all it would take is some evidence

That tweet isn't evidence. Moreover, as others have pointed out, it reflects bad information.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:32 PM

49. This is the easiest way to do it...

...Put the shitty inaccurate machines in places where you don't want to count all the votes. This is the real fraud that ocurred in Florida 2000. Republican precincts got highly accurate optical scan machines, and the democratic precincts got inaccurate punch card ballots with hanging chads and whatnot. The republicans know this... The election fraud starts with the budgeting process in the republican state legislatures.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:36 PM

50. As Cosmocat said above...

...you don't count spoiled ballots.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:48 PM

57. K&R...

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:52 PM

60. Absolute bullshit

And we take it.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:16 PM

72. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that provisional ballots can't be counted until next week?

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #72)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:39 PM

79. Because that wouldn't support their pet conspiracy theory...

What fun would that be?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:30 PM

75. Has this been confirmed ?! Thx in advance

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:32 PM

77. it points out the must need to destroy their talk radio advantage

since politicians are afraid, one famous athlete could point out that pro and college teams shouldn't be broadcasting on trump/kkk-lite talk radio stations

as soon as one school or pro team says they're going to look for apolitical radio stations others will have to follow and the advertising industry will have to adjust - so the only advertisers left will be trump fans

that will kill the gop and trump's most important media ally - limbaugh

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:38 PM

78. I find this junk embarrassing. I think someone is mixed up or trying to make

Democrats look like whiners.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:15 PM

86. I Don't Trust The GOP

We play fair, their credo normally is the ends justify the means. They have been caught before jettisoning ballots. Most of us recall republican thug mobs doing everything they could to stop the recount in Florida in 2000. Then filing for relief from the Supremes then getting a 5-4 decision to stop the legal recount because it would cause harm, not to the USA but to George Bush.

So I trust Palast more than I trust the GOP....them being totally unscrupulous.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:06 PM

100. Kick

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:17 PM

101. The O.P. is pure bullshit

And I have done voter/election protection work in Franklin County for years.

Franklin County had a total of over 71,000 votes and 1/7 of them were spoiled or
not counted? BTW spoiled votes are just that spoiled and they are not counted.

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