Dems Like Leftism, Not Bernie Sanders
I’m willing to bet that after the midterms so-called moderates in the Democratic Party are not going run when critics accuse them of being in bed with socialists. I don’t think they’ll defend socialism but they aren’t going to get hung up on labels either.
They are going to pay attention to what labels can deliver.
Go ahead. Call Medicare for All a socialist plot.
Fact is, it’s popular.
*Why? Easy. He wounded Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
*Democrats of color were suspicious of Sanders from the start, due to his efforts to appeal to Trump voters. Others, like me, are wary of Sanders due to the fact that he did not release his tax returns. Sanders also benefited from Russian propaganda, but has not, to my knowledge, admitted to being helped.
https://stoehr.substack.com/p/dems-like-leftism-not-bernie-sanders-ea5
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voting records. Sanders has been around politics for a long time. He won't release true "open disclosure" forms(tax) records and HRC did have many many votes diverted or just plain lost(sat out election) because some would not vote or went 3rd Party(Stein) sitting at table with the leader of the Party of Putin, called the GOP/NPA/WSP in Amerika. May BS take himself BACK to Vermont and enjoy some kind of retirement since he has ALWAYS said he IS NOT A democrat and never wants to be. Who's dividing the Party?
And like I said, just look at the voting records, I have. 
NO BREAKS, got none, will give none.
Where will they go now for a positive poll.
That they did, Cha.
yeah so popular he Lost.
she Very sad, Cha.
Betting sites? Hmmm
Fact.
Hey, flea. 
Say hi to my friend for me. I miss her. Perhaps someday I will get on twitter. Taking care of my mom comes first.
Totally understand. We took care of parents as well. They used to tease about just being put on ice floats, but that was before climate change.
Not polls well.
WTF is the "Harvard-Harris Poll," anyway?
I’m sure we’ve all been besieged by this barrage of information purporting to come from the “Harvard-Harris Poll.” Headlines like Poll: Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities, and Poll reveals majority of Americans want Democrats to work with Trump, and Harvard Poll: Americans Brimming With Confidence on Jobs, Economy are drawing rapturous responses from the likes of Kellyanne Conway and Rush Limbaugh. According to one Hill article, “Harvard-Harris Poll is a collaboration of the Harvard Center for American Political Studies and the Harris Poll.” Its “co-director” appears to be Mark Penn, apparently of Hillary Clinton 2008 fame. The “Harvard-Harris Poll” offers a lot of slick graphics to go with its snazzy numbers, but lacks that most elementary of internet accoutrements: a website.
So I looked for information about the “Harvard-Harris Poll” on the Harvard Center for American Political Studies website. Not a peep about this epoch-making collaboration. The same is true of the Harris Poll website, which looks like it might have died last month. I also checked to see if the Hill itself had announced the rollout somewhere along the line, but no dice. The "Harvard-Harris Poll” came online with no fanfare and just spouting some seriously strange looking numbers. I can’t believe that a site of the Hill’s quality has been catfished. I know for a fact that Mark Penn exists. But I can’t escape the feeling that something hinky is going on here. Somebody please clue me in.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/21/1636308/-WTF-is-the-Harvard-Harris-Poll-anyway
Yeah yeah yeah...the internet poll everyone keeps posting. It is a hoot.
Are you sure?
This is the last time I'm going to talk about this because I get the feeling that no matter whatever evidence I bring, there are a few chosen folks who will never ever believe anything at all.
So with that being said....
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or carefully selected names.
Can bots vote?
....I'm more popular with my wife than anyone else.
Of course, the choice was limited and the respondents are limited as well.
See how that works?
It's not going to work going forward. It didn't work last time, sorry, but that is the reality. It's absurd to say that young people can't handle a politician being vetted, since Bernie spends a lot of time criticizing Democrats. You don't seem concerned about that....
Big tent party
But, you are really working it this thread, so well done!
It's about time that Democrats are scrutinizing a questionable effort to accommodate other politicians. Accountability is just fine after all. Probably time to get used to the idea.
people who are sick of Democrats being attacked...what’s up with that. Bernie’s not on the ballot either. Voting for Democrats is what November is about; right?
just out of curiosity, where in CO?
but nature is still here and still beautiful. I thank my lucky duck stars everyday.
And all too easy to foresee how the ACA could be killed with one of those false promises that the Ratfinks are so expert at making and breaking.
What exactly is a "reality based candidate"?
My dad used to tease me and my sister and my brother with a silly little game... we'd be riding down the highway and out of the blue he'd start blowing the car horn. We'd all look up expecting to see a dog or a deer or some slowpoke in the way... and we'd ask WHAT? What were you blowing your horn at?
Daddy would reply "... it's to keep the tigers away!" And we'd think about it an tell him that there are no tigers in (US State Name)... wherein he'd take responsibility by saying "See? It works!"
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users know the truth. I will post this time and time again when I keep reading the same tired BS about a minor leader of a minor faction of the Democratic Party
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/the-cult-of-bernie/
minor, minor leader of a minor minor faction within our huge tent. Cut the crap please, it's almost embarrassing to keep a reminder of this on so many that are trying to create something from nothing. geez . MY candidate beat your faction approved candidate with an overwhelming number in a major defeat that proved, people are thinking and not drinking the kool-aid so readily....you have a good one.. You've been here before right. You sound so familiar...makes me say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
it's "constructive criticism." If it's about Sanders, it's divisive smearing.
See, it's all perfectly logical. 
the likes of what the Justice Democrats entire mission is founded upon. Your disjointed recollections and non-sequiturs look to be designed to be the typical generalized smears of Democrats we've seen for a few years now. This is what the Russian's noticed and promoted through Russia Today type "news" stations. There is a reason that they have to register as Foreign Agents now. Obviously the so-called "progressive" radio has been a haven for dark characters trying to undermine our democracy. The results are all over the news; it's undeniable.
You should read the Mueller indictments. Your vague accusations are highly favored by the anti-Democrats. It's a constant stream of vague innuendo but, again, it is interesting that you give the ex-Republicans your complete understanding while maintaining complete cynicism about Democrats, even when they are smeared with totally unproven allegations.
Russian interference?? It's like that whole part of reality is off limits for your "quiver" while the real world is inundated with the news of the undermining of our Democratic party, the undermining of our last candidate, Hillary Clinton. The whole gist of the Mueller indictments completely eludes you in favor of some anti-Democrat generalized themes -- money in politics, corrupt corporations, evil Democrats who are actually just working within the system as we know it while Republicans try every dirty trick in the book to undermine them.
In the meantime, our Federal government has uncovered actual sinister motives and characters in the form of Russia Today type actors with a microphone, and that just blows right by you -- no problemo. This is why the whole platform from certain candidates in 2016 has been completely exposed as not credible. Time to face reality.
he is not mainstream. I've seen his show and can't stand the eye-rolling to try and get through it. I've seen his breathless performances about all the injustices Democrat haters have to endure....
knew who they wanted.
BS' rallies didn't fly.
pushed by their proxy, Putin. Inferring that Democrats aren’t helping people is exactly what they promote. This divisiveness over one politician is why Russia helped Bernie, turning people away from Democrats. No more. 
Look at your posts. It's rather obvious you think Bernie is the enemy.
Focus. Divided we fall.
A reminder. These are our enemies.
This is not your enemy.
Any questions?
we've seen before. The election results show that Bernie was not the most popular. Read this article. You should stop misrepresenting what is being said. Trying to make things personal is also a transparent tactic.
The fact that you are trying to pretend this is about 2015/2016 spreads misinformation. There were just primaries last week.
Buzzwords didn't work.
BS is always insulting the Democratic Party.. That did NOT work.
we must stay on our toes and "bother" every day. So much noise is made by so few that some people can be tricked into believing something important is going on. It isn't, just a lot of noise in a minor faction of our BIG tent Party. The primaries this last Tuesday proved, people are cleaning their cups of the poisoned kool-aid. Big puddle left but it's slowly seeping into the ground. Thank goodness. 
The primaries were this week. The results contradict your assertions.
3 high-profile primary elections this week.
During the primary, incumbent GOP Rep. Kevin Yoder and his allies ran digital and television ads promoting Welder's progressive stands, in what was seen as a sly way to help him advance to the general election.
El-Sayed had run aggressively on a state-based universal health care system and was aiming to become the country's first Muslim governor. Whitmer presented a more traditional profile as a state senator who promised to fix "crappy roads and schools."
"His coalition did include folks attracted to his policy stances, yes, but it was also a majority of 'Never Hillary' Democrats," says Trujillo. "Until Team Bernie understands his coalition is a fraction of a fraction of the Democratic Party – which is fueled by women and people of color – then these losses will continue to stack up."
Ocasio-Cortez suffered another loss in Missouri, where she had backed Cori Bush, a local activist who challenged Rep. William Lacy Clay, who has held the 1st Congressional District seat for 17 years.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-08-08/the-far-left-is-losing
lol, that is the truth. The fundamental misunderstandings of our base have been evident all along.
to try and pretend that the primary results mean something other than a loss. And I'm clearly with the majority so I'm just fine, thanks.
Response to boston bean (Original post)
Democrats with ad money, shouldn’t Bernie be up in arms about that??...wth.
I pretty much stopped reading after that. Nobody votes in these elections. And it doesn't take a poli sci major or an election auditor to figure that one out.
During the primary, incumbent GOP Rep. Kevin Yoder and his allies ran digital and television ads promoting Welder's progressive stands, in what was seen as a sly way to help him advance to the general election.
El-Sayed had run aggressively on a state-based universal health care system and was aiming to become the country's first Muslim governor. Whitmer presented a more traditional profile as a state senator who promised to fix "crappy roads and schools."
"His coalition did include folks attracted to his policy stances, yes, but it was also a majority of 'Never Hillary' Democrats," says Trujillo. "Until Team Bernie understands his coalition is a fraction of a fraction of the Democratic Party – which is fueled by women and people of color – then these losses will continue to stack up."
Ocasio-Cortez suffered another loss in Missouri, where she had backed Cori Bush, a local activist who challenged Rep. William Lacy Clay, who has held the 1st Congressional District seat for 17 years.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-08-08/the-far-left-is-losing
Mahalo, Goth!
Response to boston bean (Original post)
Because THAT is what is at stake. Not which path to take to universal healthcare but whether we'll have any at all.
I agree entirely that the nations believed to have the best universal healthcare systems have achieved it through hybrid solutions, whatever works for each situation. And in a large, very decentralized and economically and geographically diverse nation like ours, there will be no one-solution-fits-all answer. Also that most who chant Medicare-for-all don't realize that it's just a chant suggesting a future ideal, not what they really want.
But at this point the entire healthcare discussion strikes me like disagreeing about where to hang the family portraits while the house is on fire.
Oh, and since i never weighed in on the OP (Ehrnst may remember when I long ago hoped to be able to support him), I'll say that I came to dislike, distrust, and disrespect Bernie Sanders for cause a long time ago. Completely his own doing.
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and ignorance or a manipulation of the foolish and ignorant.
ALWAYS distrust absolute statements.
