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Croney

(4,657 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:57 AM Aug 2018

I'm in Alberta, in the smoke.

And feeling ignorant. Yesterday I was at home on the East Coast reading about the California fires, not knowing about the wildfires in BC that are sending smoke over the western part of Canada. We landed in Edmonton and wondered at the smog and haze. Now in Camrose, the day looks like dusk, and the air is acrid with smoke. If it's this bad so far away, I can only imagine how bad it is closer to the fires. A terrible emergency.

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I'm in Alberta, in the smoke. (Original Post) Croney Aug 2018 OP
Have there been any evacuations in your area due to the air quality? Ohiogal Aug 2018 #1
Thank you. I'm only here for a 10-day family visit. Croney Aug 2018 #2
A sobering reality maltzmax Aug 2018 #3
Welcome to DU maltzmax LittleGirl Aug 2018 #4
How devastating. Croney Aug 2018 #7
Have no fear. AZ8theist Aug 2018 #10
Heartbreaking. I've lived in the west what you describe Hortensis Aug 2018 #16
Some news here on this issue... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #5
Thank you for the info! Croney Aug 2018 #9
Keep an eye on this air quality site.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #13
I feel ya Max TallMike Aug 2018 #6
i feel for u AllaN01Bear Aug 2018 #8
if only ALL the smoke could be concentrated at Mar a Lago.... AZ8theist Aug 2018 #11
Yeah, right here in the middle... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #12
You know a real president would be focusing on this as a national emergency and doing smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #14
We're from Southern California, and for decades the Hortensis Aug 2018 #15
Trump dumps Paris Agreement on Climate Change. Ignorant voters oasis Aug 2018 #17

Ohiogal

(31,963 posts)
1. Have there been any evacuations in your area due to the air quality?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:36 AM
Aug 2018

I would imagine that people with respiratory illnesses would be having a pretty tough time.

I'm so sorry. I hope this goes away soon. It must be dreadful.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
2. Thank you. I'm only here for a 10-day family visit.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:49 AM
Aug 2018

I would think that vulnerable groups of people have been advised to stay indoors until this situation changes. It really is an eye-opener and I am going to donate to firefighting support.

 

maltzmax

(19 posts)
3. A sobering reality
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:08 AM
Aug 2018

I live in Utah, and have been here about 15 years now. Smoke and haze have filled the valley I live in all summer. The fires have been awful, and I am sorry that people have died or lost their homes. There are also other forms of loss, either from fire or other impacts from global warming. I used to hike this beautiful trail next to a river in the fall. It would be filled with golden Aspen. It is now burned. I took my kids camping. It was their first time stargazing, going to a cave, and seeing bristlecone pines. The campground we stayed in? Now burned. I took my kids on their first backpacking trip. 95% of the forest was dead. There was no safe place to put a tent, as you are supposed to stay away from dead standing trees. Global warming has worsened drought and the bark beetle infestation. Bald mountain- my youngest was so proud to reach the top. He wants to go back. The once grand view is now nothing but dead trees for miles. And, even worse, we don't know if and in what way these areas will regenerate. What was once pine forest may turn to sagebrush as the climate continues to warm. The once natural regeneration that came from fire also no longer exists.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
4. Welcome to DU maltzmax
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:26 AM
Aug 2018

I have a few friends in Salt Lake and they mentioned the smoke this week too. It's horrible. Your description is just sad.
Thanks for sharing.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
7. How devastating.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:35 AM
Aug 2018

The sadness of your story brings tears to my eyes. With other problems--like the current disaster in the White House-- we can say, "This too shall pass." But when the very ground and air around us scream out doomsday warnings, there will be little chance of reversing what's coming.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Heartbreaking. I've lived in the west what you describe
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:56 AM
Aug 2018

and am living it now in the southeast. The dreadful losses are always painful to think about. We will not be leaving to our descendants the nation we inherited.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
5. Some news here on this issue...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:28 AM
Aug 2018
B.C. Wildfires 2018: Fire season shaping up to be more intense than average

Crews have responded to 1,500 fires so far, compared to an average 1,100
CBC News · Posted: Aug 10, 2018 1:42 PM PT

Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-wildfires-1.4780912

(snip)
Higher than average fire season

Compared to a 10-year period, there are 1,500 fires so far this season when the average number would be 1,100, Skrepnek said.

"We've had — as of this morning — an estimated 188,000 hectares burned," Skrepnek said. "The average for this time of year is about 158,000."

But it still doesn't compare to 2017: by this time last year, we had burned over 600,000 hectares.

Includes maps.

Thanks for the post, Crony and stay safe......

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
13. Keep an eye on this air quality site....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:14 AM
Aug 2018
Alberta - Air Quality Health Index - Provincial Summary

Link: https://weather.gc.ca/airquality/pages/provincial_summary/ab_e.html

Click on "Show Health Message" for explanations.

As you can see, many areas are shown as "Very High Risk" for Saturday, and many others are "High Risk". I wouldn't hesitate to wear a mask outdoors if you have respiratory problems, or just stay indoors where there's air conditioning. Just remember that super-fine particulate from fires is not necessary visible, even though it's the most damaging to your lungs. That's the reason for watching the government's monitoring system because their instruments do see the fines.

Best of luck!.......

TallMike

(161 posts)
6. I feel ya Max
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:33 AM
Aug 2018

Just north of Yosemite here. Smoke was so bad last week visibility was down to a quarter mile. Dead trees everywhere. Some are calling for complete species collapse of Ponderosa Pine in the next 10 years. Major extinction event. Even the Cedars, which until about 2 years ago were immune from the beetle damage, are succumbing in alarming numbers.
Hang on. Its going to be a bumpy ride...

AllaN01Bear

(18,119 posts)
8. i feel for u
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:40 AM
Aug 2018

i live in california usa. i have been wearing a particle mask that i got when we had the rim fire. i use it when i go outside.( i have heart problems). its now in the airconditioning ducts of buildings etc. i jast saw a map on du where the winds have carried the smoke to new york. city, so i can see how the smoke is impacting youall there . stay safe .

AZ8theist

(5,452 posts)
11. if only ALL the smoke could be concentrated at Mar a Lago....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:49 AM
Aug 2018

In all seriousness, instead of a dust mask, have you looked into a respirator? There's a lot of good ones on the market. (I'm restoring an old Chevy so I use them when painting). Respirators have a much better seal and virtually eliminate particulates.

Wounded Bear

(58,634 posts)
12. Yeah, right here in the middle...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:50 AM
Aug 2018

Western Washington is getting haze from the smoke to north and south. Normally, it doesn't cover that much area, but we have some of our own fires in Eastern Washington and the mountains. Ours are not as bad as CA and Canada, and fewer structures and people at risk as of now. But still...

Looks like half of North America is burning.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. You know a real president would be focusing on this as a national emergency and doing
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:28 AM
Aug 2018

everything he could to help and support the victims of these wildfires, but no, not Fatass. He just sits on the toilet and tweets about how they are doing everything wrong when he knows absolutely NOTHING about what is going on or how to stop the fires.

He's such a worthless pile of blubber.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. We're from Southern California, and for decades the
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:48 AM
Aug 2018

national media based on the east coast simply did not cover most of what happened out west. I remember homes near us, on mountains covered with residential neighborhoods 15 minutes on empty freeways from downtown LA, consumed by uncontrolled wildfire and no mention. If there were three significant fires and the smallest had "Malibu" in its name or region, that one, and only that one, would get covered.

Now these fires have become hugely catastrophic but, as you discovered, the east coast media coverage still doesn't begin to convey much of what's happening out there.

oasis

(49,370 posts)
17. Trump dumps Paris Agreement on Climate Change. Ignorant voters
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 11:15 AM
Aug 2018

in 2016 have delayed the healing of planet Earth.

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