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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:48 PM Aug 2018

Why are Hilary, Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren so hated?

The answer is simple. It's called the Republican Hate Machine.

Hilary is hated because Republican voters have been told for years that she is to be hated.

Nancy Pelosi is hated because the Republican Hate Machine keeps repeating that she must be hated. Why must she be hated? Because it is repeated and repeated and repeated that she must be hated.

Now that Elizabeth Warren is becoming a possible candidate for president, she too must be hated. So the Republican Hate Machine spends time telling Republican voters to hate an incredibly great woman, (who Trump calls "Pocahontas." The man's a piece of pig shit.)

If the imbeciles who buy into the hatred are asked why they hate any of those named above, they can't tell you. Actually, they won't tell you that they hate them because they are all Democrats. And Democrats, especially their leaders, and especially women, are against the racism, bigotry and ignorance spewed out by the Republican Party 24/7/365.

This is why Hilary, Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren are so hated. They are hated by the know-nothings of the world who are told to hate them. And they're told over and over and over again.

The Republican Hate Machine generates propaganda full time. We have nothing to match it except the truth. In the short run, propaganda machines work. In the long run, the haters go down.

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Why are Hilary, Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren so hated? (Original Post) Cyrano Aug 2018 OP
Women. In Power. RainCaster Aug 2018 #1
Exactly. They are hated by repugnant goons b/c they are female. YessirAtsaFact Aug 2018 #15
Republicans like Scarsdale Aug 2018 #18
At the root of all misogyny is fear. They are deeply, deeply afraid of women. amywalk Aug 2018 #34
Powerful Democratic women. Hortensis Aug 2018 #80
To be honest, I hate female Republican politicians AllTooEasy Aug 2018 #26
it's ok, as long as it's not because they are women elias7 Aug 2018 #32
Bingo. Strong women in public offices create epidemic fear. Guilded Lilly Aug 2018 #28
WIP benld74 Aug 2018 #35
+1... IthinkThereforeIAM Aug 2018 #41
Yep. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #62
...and not educated. BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #63
Men don't want no women tellin them what to do and kacekwl Aug 2018 #81
Women in power. With brains. Who can run circles around them LuckyLib Aug 2018 #82
exactly what I thought demtenjeep Aug 2018 #83
Well... lisby Aug 2018 #2
It isn't just Racism that is ascendant. Misogyny and backlash to powerful female voices is at all hlthe2b Aug 2018 #3
They are strong, effective, women and that is intolerable to the GOP Hekate Aug 2018 #4
It's also the White Evangelical Hate Machine njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #5
They travel in the same circles and share the same fears. dchill Aug 2018 #56
They are strong women. Republican men hate strong women. Frustratedlady Aug 2018 #6
Republican men are also extremely insecure. BarbD Aug 2018 #31
That is the "throw the spaghetti against the wall" approach. pennylane100 Aug 2018 #7
There are some that critique Maxheader Aug 2018 #8
The Hate Machine works and the free speech argument shields it FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #9
It didn't help that here on DU Hillary was savagely attacked. Kaleva Aug 2018 #10
! NBachers Aug 2018 #30
The lies about her here radical noodle Aug 2018 #38
Some of the worst attacks came from folks who are now her strongest supporters here Kaleva Aug 2018 #79
BS LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #60
Before you embarrass yourself further, read the archived threads from early 2008 Kaleva Aug 2018 #78
Ummm... no... radical noodle Aug 2018 #85
No. betsuni Aug 2018 #89
Because they are strong intelligent women. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #11
Amen. Scarsdale Aug 2018 #22
That's it in a nutshell. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #54
Hmmmmm. Whatever could it be? Squinch Aug 2018 #12
If only we could figure out what they have in common... jcgoldie Aug 2018 #13
Perhaps they're all "flawed". lapucelle Aug 2018 #44
Well Duh - Misogyny. Actually - FEAR. bitterross Aug 2018 #14
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #84
Don't forget to add to this list the newcomer Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez kimbutgar Aug 2018 #16
And Kamala Harris. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #19
She is relentlessly attacked here on DU. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #92
It's obvious. They are intelligent women whoare very effective at what they do. Major crime for some bobbieinok Aug 2018 #17
"A woman's place is in the kitchen".... Hulk Aug 2018 #20
Right-wing propaganda Dopers_Greed Aug 2018 #21
Exactly. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #67
Patriarchal thinking means a hierarchy and you have to be on top. nolabear Aug 2018 #23
This is why we should have lots of candidates Turbineguy Aug 2018 #24
Women. Powerful Women. Threatens Male Fragility. dbackjon Aug 2018 #25
Unlike the other two, who seem very tactical minded to me. Blue_true Aug 2018 #27
Smart, strong women Soxfan58 Aug 2018 #29
Truth to power! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #33
Because they believe Fox... griloco Aug 2018 #36
+1 EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #66
Very easy targets to generate a lot of hate. elias7 Aug 2018 #37
Deeply ingrained Christian Patriarchy, severe misogyny by society, neanderthal thinking that .... magicarpet Aug 2018 #39
Exactly! Even my RWNJ mother is misogynistic. Duppers Aug 2018 #51
Because they have vaginas volstork Aug 2018 #40
Amen coolhandlulu Aug 2018 #91
The real reason why these women are hated by republicans Perseus Aug 2018 #42
Cisgender white males are terrified of losing their influence in politics, and everywhere else Tarc Aug 2018 #43
Perhaps some have mommy issues. lapucelle Aug 2018 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author zentrum Aug 2018 #45
GOP RayStar Aug 2018 #47
Why, then, are there so many Liberalagogo Aug 2018 #48
It's M-I-S-O-G-Y-N-Y dlk Aug 2018 #49
Yup it's both. Misogyny and propaganda. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #72
I think that is a bit simplistic. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #50
Both. But right wing propaganda is key EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #69
Mouthy Women Bayard Aug 2018 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Aug 2018 #53
I'll take "What is having a vagina" for $500, Alex. n/t TygrBright Aug 2018 #55
They are smart. They are... 3catwoman3 Aug 2018 #57
Elizabeth Warren was my choice to run for POTUS in 2016 Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #58
The sad truth is that a large portion of WOMEN resent other successful, outspoken females. Texin Aug 2018 #59
It isn't just about White Supremacy. It's about White MALE Supremacy. That's why. Nothin personal. ancianita Aug 2018 #61
Republicans? question everything Aug 2018 #64
+100. Hated bc of rightwing propaganda machine EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #65
Right wing hate radio. Period, end of story. nt Ferrets are Cool Aug 2018 #68
Yes. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #70
Yes, and yes... Ferrets are Cool Aug 2018 #74
Kamala Harris is becoming another one on the GOP hate list. Fla Dem Aug 2018 #71
Some of us devoted Dems also remember when Pelosi refused to prosecute Bush & Co for War Crimes Crash2Parties Aug 2018 #73
Because lsewpershad Aug 2018 #75
They are a threat to male egoes. Many men feel emasculated by a powerful woman. appleannie1943 Aug 2018 #76
K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #77
The Republican party instructs them to hate them fescuerescue Aug 2018 #86
Easy, wrong reproductive organs, i.e.: no penis efhmc Aug 2018 #87
Why do people who hate women hate women? Iggo Aug 2018 #88
Simple. The right is excellent at demonzing. They Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #90

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
18. Republicans like
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:48 PM
Aug 2018

women who are slightly dumb. Look at the Forst Laydee. She can not speak English clearly, has no personality, is just an arm trophy. She stays married to the most repulsive man who EVER resided in the WH, because it is easier than actually leaving, finding her self respect (if she ever had any) and making her own way in the world. Even with her parents living here, she still needs Orange Asshole to provide her with creature comforts, rather than gaining her independence. I wonder how her parents support their Trump Tower/Mar-A-Lago lifestyle? Is he (meaning taxpayers) supporting those Communists, too??

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Powerful Democratic women.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:59 PM
Aug 2018

Right wing media are gunning for Kamala Harris also, and we should expert her to be elevated to the most-hated list after we become the majority party. She's on both the senate judiciary and intelligence committees, not yet in line for a chairmanship but a powerful media presence. And, of course, there's talk of her running for president.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
32. it's ok, as long as it's not because they are women
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:22 PM
Aug 2018

Unless it is because they are, and you hate them because as women, they should know better than to support those things that Republican men stand for.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
81. Men don't want no women tellin them what to do and
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:20 PM
Aug 2018

from what I am led to believe women can be kind of bitchy towards other women. So I've heard.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
82. Women in power. With brains. Who can run circles around them
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:18 PM
Aug 2018

in accomplishments and serving the country.

lisby

(408 posts)
2. Well...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:51 PM
Aug 2018

The fact that they are "uppity" women has something to do with it. Democratic women in particular, but women foremost.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
3. It isn't just Racism that is ascendant. Misogyny and backlash to powerful female voices is at all
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:51 PM
Aug 2018

time highs.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
6. They are strong women. Republican men hate strong women.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:57 PM
Aug 2018

They also hate smart women.

The Republican men with no self esteem hate ALL women...except the ones they can convince to go to bed with them. Then, they hate that woman after the act for being so stupid.


Republican women hate women of other persuasion because they believe what their husband believes. They can't think for themselves.




pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
7. That is the "throw the spaghetti against the wall" approach.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:00 PM
Aug 2018

It is the "females are easier to attack than issues" approach. I think they will choke on it.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
8. There are some that critique
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:02 PM
Aug 2018

leadership by the clothes they wear..And I've heard the snide
remarks about this.....

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
9. The Hate Machine works and the free speech argument shields it
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:03 PM
Aug 2018

If we can't fix that, we lose everything.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
38. The lies about her here
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:30 PM
Aug 2018

were the same that the right-wing propaganda was pushing, only it was coming from so-called left-wing sources.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
60. BS
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:18 PM
Aug 2018

If you dared to "savagely attack" Hillary, your post would be hidden by a jury. If you did it more than once you'd have been gone long ago.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
85. Ummm... no...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:16 PM
Aug 2018

After the primary, that was the case, but during the primaries was a different matter. I remember a lot of extremely repulsive posts that stayed.

(And I'm not re-fighting the primary, just pointing out that right-wing propaganda is often spread in some unlikely places)

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
22. Amen.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:53 PM
Aug 2018

They think for themselves, rather than have "big, strong men" tell them WHAT to think, how to feel, and how to behave. They are smarter than average, and it makes the gop nervous. In which case, they vilify them, hoping others will jump on their bandwagon. Smart enough to sift through all the BS the gop spreads.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
14. Well Duh - Misogyny. Actually - FEAR.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

Old white guys in power hate intelligent, capable women. They see them as the real threat they are to the status quo.

If women were in power, men might actually have to start taking responsibility for how they've totally fucked up the world. I do mean the entire world.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
16. Don't forget to add to this list the newcomer Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:41 PM
Aug 2018

They must really hate her because she is young, smart and attractive. She is going to be a thorn in the repuke house if she is elected because she is an effective speaker and she’ll be around a lot longer.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
17. It's obvious. They are intelligent women whoare very effective at what they do. Major crime for some
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:45 PM
Aug 2018
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
20. "A woman's place is in the kitchen"....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:52 PM
Aug 2018

Do you really think it's for any other reason?? These neanderthals are remnants of the stone age. "A wife must be submissive to her husband.." bull shit. God hates gays. Pro-birthers. Show me your birth certificate, black dude. Uppity negro.

This is the party of ignorance, twisted KKKristianity, racism, fear, hate and yet they represent a BIG number of their constituents.

We have to find a way to stick them back in the closet, where they belong. I seriously doubt anything can change their mental disorder; so let's bury it for another several generations.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
23. Patriarchal thinking means a hierarchy and you have to be on top.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:00 PM
Aug 2018

The idea that women are as good or better than men at something-even the system that they set up-is anathema. You can’t be cooperative, inclusive, appreciative of others. You have to conquer, subjugate, own.

“Stronger Together” is against everything they believe. “Only I can fix it” is where they are. Is it any wonder the extreme end of that ended up being what it did?

Turbineguy

(37,322 posts)
24. This is why we should have lots of candidates
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:11 PM
Aug 2018

let the Republican Hate Machine trip out on overspeed.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. Unlike the other two, who seem very tactical minded to me.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:14 PM
Aug 2018

Elizabeth Warren seems to be a counter-puncher. She may take a little punch to the nose, but in return, she knocks teeth out. I have no concerns with Liz v Trump.

Warren seems to be as relentless on the campaign trail as Bernie, but she has a far more polished touch.

I know that reoublicans will come after Liz Warren with the Indian blood attack. It would be cute if she has a secretly done, legally certified test showing that she has told it like it was. She does not have to do such an effort, but if she is attacked and she dropped that dime on those bastards, the result would be worth relishing for the ages.

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
29. Smart, strong women
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:20 PM
Aug 2018

Misogynist repervs think women should be harrased not heard. I would add Michelle Obama to that list.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
37. Very easy targets to generate a lot of hate.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:29 PM
Aug 2018

Two buttons for the price of one - women & liberal. Making fun of “Pocahontas” also throws the brown skin into it. Can generate a lotta hate and fear with that one.

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
39. Deeply ingrained Christian Patriarchy, severe misogyny by society, neanderthal thinking that ....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:35 PM
Aug 2018

.... that women are here to be subservient to males, not to be handed any cultural powers because they are basically considered chattel slavery owned by males, ruled over by men, serve their needs only, and finally acting as walking incubators for their offspring when the act of reproduction fancies their male rulers/owners.

Women who don't stay within their assigned lanes and especially those who try to crash through the guardrails or break the glass ceiling are to be reprimanded and chastised because they violate societies long established norms.

It is all written in the buy-bull,... any good Christian knows,... just read his words in the good book of Almighty God.

By chance,... do you practice Satanism ? You seem not well versed and/or acquainted with Judeo-Christain doctrine, worship, studies and dogma. You might be going to hell.



Duppers

(28,120 posts)
51. Exactly! Even my RWNJ mother is misogynistic.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:54 PM
Aug 2018

Says these women should "know their place." But I caught and blasted her hypocrisy for supporting Sarah Palin, of all people.
Not surprisingly we never got along.
She's hyper religious, of course, and I'm a going-to-hell atheist.


volstork

(5,400 posts)
40. Because they have vaginas
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:36 PM
Aug 2018

the control of which they are not willing to concede to the white conservatives-fascist males of the GOP?

coolhandlulu

(148 posts)
91. Amen
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:19 AM
Aug 2018

That damn weird vagina that they fear and will never understand. They don’t try to understand. If it’s not attached to a perky young blond with a squeaky voice, then it’s totally intolerable. The wonderful,mystical vagina has been the bane of Republican men since birth. Even Democratic men find it discombobulating, but they got enough sense to reason “ well, anything that can bring that much pleasure and life can’t be all bad.”

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
42. The real reason why these women are hated by republicans
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018

Republicans are fake, their rhetoric includes, family values, morals, strong on defense (macho men), strong for the economy, and in all of those they fail miserably.

They hate these women because the truth is, republicans are afraid of women, even more afraid of smart women.

If you read about Hillary's story, right after graduating and working for a while in Washington you will notice that she did not go unnoticed, republicans immediately understood they had a very strong contender in a woman, so they immediately started to work on the negative campaign against her. The only way they have been able to defeat her in anything was in 2016, and they only did that because they cheated, I am one of those convinced that the votes were hacked by the Russians to help the orange monster.

That is my take on why republicans hate women.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
43. Cisgender white males are terrified of losing their influence in politics, and everywhere else
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:38 PM
Aug 2018

Whether it was Hillary on the verge of the presidency or the new Doctor Who being cast as a woman, they feel threatened that their once 99.9% hold on the reins of power and influence may be on the verge of the high 80s.

The poor dears.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
48. Why, then, are there so many
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

idiotic RW women? Some in positions of power?

Is it just the power and seductiveness of self-loathing?

dlk

(11,560 posts)
49. It's M-I-S-O-G-Y-N-Y
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

Granted, the GOP “blame women first” propaganda machine runs overtime. However, it wouldn’t be so successful if there wasn’t already a deeply entrenched vein of misogyny to build on. There is much work to be done to bring attitudes and beliefs toward women out of the Dark Ages.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
50. I think that is a bit simplistic.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:51 PM
Aug 2018

they are hated no just because they are told to by the republicon hate machine. They are women and women have been hated for centuries. You can't have a patriarchal society until you kill the matriarch. These women are all solid performers in their fields with incredible knowledge and wisdom and would be considered "grand dames" in other circumstances.

Now, like the burning times, women were an impediment to the wealth and power. For instance; before then, "doctors" were healers and generally women. After the burning times, only men could be doctors and "practice" medicine, thousands of people died; women especially during childbirth before men learned to wash their hands.

Property once was passed down mother to daughter; after the final purge, property and names were handed down by the father to the son and women were simply property to sell off at the most opportune time.

But I digress. They hate those women in particular because the are powerful. They hate them because they are wise; they hate them because they are more capable than the men. They are impediments to the great evil those men want to do.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
69. Both. But right wing propaganda is key
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:33 PM
Aug 2018

Why don’t they hate Marsha Blackburn?
Or Sarah Palin? Or Meghan McCain? Or Barbara Bush?
And why do they hate Harry Reid and George Soros and Al Franken?

Difference in all cases is the rightwing propaganda machine.

I live in the Midwest. I see it. The more Fox and Limbaugh, the more hate.
The hate often works better when something is already there- blacks and women and Jews are more easily hated.

But without rightwing propaganda we’d have much less hate in America.

Bayard

(22,062 posts)
52. Mouthy Women
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

I've been accused of that--and hated for it--myself. We're bitches.

As the t-shirt reads, "A Woman's Place is In The House..........and The Senate".

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Texin

(2,596 posts)
59. The sad truth is that a large portion of WOMEN resent other successful, outspoken females.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:12 PM
Aug 2018

And I'm saying this as a woman myself. Sadly, it isn't just men - especially middle-aged and older white men (and some men of color as well) - who resent successful women whether they're politicians or working professionals. It no doubt is more prevalent among Baby Boomesr and older men, because they would have been raised during the era of Father Knows Best, Leave It to Beaver, mid-century attitudes about the "Man's Place" as opposed to the "Women's Place" (which preferably would be parked at home, a baby on her hip and broom in the other hand, who knows that it's "her role" to service her husband and keep her mouth shut). Ah, the good old days!

As for women resenting women who happen to be prominent, psychologically a lot of people regardless of their gender just fundamentally resent anyone who is more successful or prominent because it makes them feel smaller and more inconsequential. It's basically just a sense of aggrieved jealousy.

question everything

(47,472 posts)
64. Republicans?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:25 PM
Aug 2018

Over 50 Democratic candidates say they would oppose Pelosi as House speaker

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/dozens-democratic-candidates-say-they-would-oppose-pelosi-house-speaker-n899271

Yes. I don't understand this, either. She has been an effective leader but, I suppose, they think they will have better chances to win. I remember Conor Lamb was careful not to mention her name.


Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
73. Some of us devoted Dems also remember when Pelosi refused to prosecute Bush & Co for War Crimes
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:36 PM
Aug 2018

That initial six months could have been a turning point & the GOP machine could have been dismantled or at least severely set back.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
76. They are a threat to male egoes. Many men feel emasculated by a powerful woman.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:54 PM
Aug 2018

Especially the wimpy types that gravitate toward the GOP.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
86. The Republican party instructs them to hate them
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:26 PM
Aug 2018

So they hate them.

There are alot of reasons. They hate women etc. But the biggest reason is that they have a D after their name and they are told to hate them.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
90. Simple. The right is excellent at demonzing. They
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 11:37 PM
Aug 2018

Play on the right's thinking that women are lesser beings than men. The women think that too.

Just go to a party in red America and see the men being catered to and allowed their space while women squirrel away and handle all the cooking and serving.

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