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MN: Keith Ellison's opponents asks him to address allegations of domestic abuse (Original Post) RandySF Aug 2018 OP
FYI I previously endorsed Ellison for Attorney General RandySF Aug 2018 #1
Before this I had doubts Keith could win a statewide race dflprincess Aug 2018 #2
The children of the alleged victim just posted the accusation of Facebook RandySF Aug 2018 #5
I usually agree with you and things you post, but Facebook a few days before the Primary? George II Aug 2018 #122
That sure came from left field, Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #7
knew someone for decades RandySF Aug 2018 #19
That is a true statement. Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #20
Don't you live in San Fransisco? Why the interest in Minnesota politics? LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #27
Randy seems to have penchant for posting negative articles about Bernie Sanders and those associated CentralMass Aug 2018 #28
He posts lots about the various primaries happening all across the country. W_HAMILTON Aug 2018 #32
Yes, he does, but he also does regulary negative post about Sanders and those that align with him CentralMass Aug 2018 #36
Any of those "regularly negative posts" false? I don't think so. George II Aug 2018 #124
Strange.I've noticed that too. Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #53
They're BS' own words and actions.. so if they're "negative" Cha Aug 2018 #117
No he doesn't. You should edit or self delete this attack on him. George II Aug 2018 #123
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Aug 2018 #136
I pay attention to every state RandySF Aug 2018 #30
You have two Senators and one Representive. Everyone in every state does. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #37
If the person is going to lose to the GOP because of something he's done, then it matters. pnwmom Aug 2018 #39
No, it does not matter to you. They do not represent you. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #43
How about this? RandySF Aug 2018 #45
After what happened to Franken, I am more than a little sensitive about people messing LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #51
It's not meddling GP6971 Aug 2018 #110
So when Obama endorses candidates on the upcoming election, he is meddling? hughee99 Aug 2018 #114
Interesting comment. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #140
So you object to AOC, Bernie Sanders, Keith Ellison and some Ninsianna Aug 2018 #162
Please stop telling people "to mind their own business".. Cha Aug 2018 #71
You tell 'em, Cha! spooky3 Aug 2018 #103
Hey, Spooky! Cha Aug 2018 #104
Aloha! spooky3 Aug 2018 #105
Pretty beautiful! Cha Aug 2018 #106
Rainy--such a shame that the Nazis' protest was ruined spooky3 Aug 2018 #107
Karma, baby! And, so brave Cha Aug 2018 #111
yes, the article said that an association sent members legal info spooky3 Aug 2018 #113
No doubt! And good point about DC Cha Aug 2018 #115
thanks! I'm glad the restaurant seems to be doing well. nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #116
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #129
All you have are disingenuous insults. Cha Aug 2018 #130
Don't know if you live in either Vermont or New York City, but you should be equally annoyed... George II Aug 2018 #127
I'm pissed at a certain someone from New York that thinks their opinion about MN politics matters. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #131
Consider this.. you ever so rudely got on this Cha Aug 2018 #142
"Butting in?" I think that if you can't tolerate conversation about politicians ehrnst Aug 2018 #159
We don't have the luxury of ignoring your legislator - he's involved in policies that affect us ... marble falls Aug 2018 #160
He is also Co-Chair of the DNC RandySF Aug 2018 #44
Welcome to DU, by the way. RandySF Aug 2018 #42
Is this your "A" game? Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #48
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever... LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #132
Agree. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #134
I guess you haven't been on DU long enough to know. pnwmom Aug 2018 #50
You would be surprized. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #57
Democrats openly expressing opinions is absolutely different than secret meddling by Russia, pnwmom Aug 2018 #59
No, a Californian messing with a Minnesota election is a foreign entity. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #60
Then a Vermont Senator stumping for Keith Ellison is a "foreign entity" interfering in an election. pnwmom Aug 2018 #61
You presume a lot. That's something I've noticed about you. LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #128
Why do you get so rude and personal? Cha Aug 2018 #144
Hey, Member of DU for 5 whole weeks, this forum is called General Discussion... winstars Aug 2018 #146
Okay, then the other alternative is that you're not being logical. pnwmom Aug 2018 #148
One of the hottest Hot Takes I've ever read on DU. Congrats as I have read many hot takes here emulatorloo Aug 2018 #66
Can Californians vote in Minnesota? LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 #133
How's that telling people to shut up working out for you? MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #135
Can Californians donate to a candidate in Minnesota? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #138
"Russian meddling" What a crock. Cha Aug 2018 #139
Californians can donate to candidates in Minnesota. Cha Aug 2018 #145
BULL.. then BS is a "foreign agent" according to Cha Aug 2018 #73
So how do you feel about Senators and Representative candidates campaigning out of state? George II Aug 2018 #125
You just joined DU brer cat Aug 2018 #70
IKR! And, calling us "Foreign Agents".. Cha Aug 2018 #74
Yeah, I bet Randy has never been called that before. pnwmom Aug 2018 #77
I'm sure it's a new one! He's been Cha Aug 2018 #83
You equate voicing an opinion about a politician in another state with Russian meddling? ehrnst Aug 2018 #158
Um, that's some unique logic mythology Aug 2018 #121
That's too bad. Keith Ellison is also vice DNC chair. We're interested in all the States of Cha Aug 2018 #141
Do you feel the same way about Bernie and Alexandria campaigning against incumbent Democrats pnwmom Aug 2018 #38
That was my question! Cha Aug 2018 #75
Keith Ellison is a nationally-recognized Democrat, Music Man Aug 2018 #63
Yes -- that's how it should be here. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #65
Does Ellison vote only on laws that only affect Minnesota? NYC Liberal Aug 2018 #68
Excuse me.. RSF posts about States all over the Country.. Cha Aug 2018 #69
Does it matter where he lives? GatoGordo Aug 2018 #98
That should work. Turbineguy Aug 2018 #3
Confirmed by Karen Monahan RandySF Aug 2018 #8
June 3 was the last day of the DFL convention this year dflprincess Aug 2018 #21
Yep, another Democrat will be forced out without proof. The son says there's sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #12
I'm suspicious. SharonClark Aug 2018 #22
Looks true. The guy can't be our party's nominee. Better to err on the side of caution here. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #23
"When did you stop beating your wife." Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #4
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #6
. RandySF Aug 2018 #9
I hate these situations DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #10
. RandySF Aug 2018 #13
I am going to withhold judgement until I have more information. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #15
Holy shit. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #11
I never liked him. Was unhappy when he became involved at the DNC on behalf of Bernie. boston bean Aug 2018 #14
As noted above, we don't know what is going on, other than speculation. theaocp Aug 2018 #16
So should we risk nominating an abuser? Blue_true Aug 2018 #25
He denied it. theaocp Aug 2018 #29
Next step is to look at their primary opponents. Is there a solid opponent pnwmom Aug 2018 #41
This woman is forcefully stating she and her son are telling the truth. We'll see where this goes. boston bean Aug 2018 #52
She is now sharing texts on Twitter. If Ellison is innocent he should call for an investigation stevenleser Aug 2018 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author octoberlib Aug 2018 #67
It is looking like we will see a resignation. boston bean Aug 2018 #76
Judging from her texts, she apparently just wanted him to apologize to her and help her heal stevenleser Aug 2018 #82
Looks like there's a pattern octoberlib Aug 2018 #112
If you read the comments section it is worthless flotsam Aug 2018 #118
You just called him an abuser. Without any evidence. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #34
There is evidence: the statements of the woman and her son are evidence. pnwmom Aug 2018 #80
Actually, no. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #85
No, that is physical evidence. Evidence also includes oral and written statements. pnwmom Aug 2018 #89
yes, by that criterion there is evidence of every conspiracy theory. David__77 Aug 2018 #100
Has she filed any charges? The son? Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #90
Accusations aren't evidence. nt Rob H. Aug 2018 #95
But that doesn't mean we should automatically believe it before we have evidence. Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #102
An abuser is a person that abuses another person. Blue_true Aug 2018 #81
"If". Mike Rows His Boat Aug 2018 #87
You risk nominating an abuser Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #109
A statement from Rep. Elison would be helpful at this point.nt oasis Aug 2018 #17
I'm not touching until more is out there or hear what he has to say. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #18
Swiftboat hitjob? ananda Aug 2018 #24
If it is, it's not from Republicans RandySF Aug 2018 #26
Debra Hilstrom and Keith Ellison are competing for Dem nomination JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #31
This is either a.) absolutely true or it's b.) an abominable lie... ADX Aug 2018 #33
How did she get tagged? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2018 #35
In a post made by Monahan's son. Nt dflprincess Aug 2018 #40
The son is claiming he saw an incident on video. pnwmom Aug 2018 #46
I suspect the video puts them both in a bad light. joshcryer Aug 2018 #150
Well, since it was taken with her in bed, pnwmom Aug 2018 #151
I think she maybe lashed back. joshcryer Aug 2018 #153
She might have lashed back, for sure. She also might have been in a state of undress, pnwmom Aug 2018 #154
St. Paul Pioneer Press: Ellison denies abuse allegations from ex-girlfriend riversedge Aug 2018 #47
This story is about to go viral. riversedge Aug 2018 #49
It's hit Roll Call and Huffington Post RandySF Aug 2018 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #54
Ellison was the one "Justice Democrats" were petitioning to replace Franken pnwmom Aug 2018 #62
In fact Ellison wrote this "eulogy" on Franken.. Cha Aug 2018 #108
I wonder if LeeAnn Tweeden is coaching her on how to take down good Dems? Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #56
Ellison publicly called for Senator Franken to step down based on hearsay. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #58
Wow workinclasszero Aug 2018 #86
Ellison Statement on Sen. Al Franken's Resignation OnDoutside Aug 2018 #88
Well then we can expect Ellison's resignation workinclasszero Aug 2018 #91
With respect to what was done to Al, I think it is important that evidence should be used to back OnDoutside Aug 2018 #93
WOW! Thank you for that, OnDoutside. Cha Aug 2018 #96
Happy to help ! 👍 OnDoutside Aug 2018 #97
Either Karen Monahan is the Cha Aug 2018 #99
Pathetic. joshcryer Aug 2018 #149
I wonder if he knows that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? LisaL Aug 2018 #152
If there is substance to this, then that's one big boulder ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #155
I really hate what was done to Franken, but in fairness, ecstatic Aug 2018 #161
they claim there is video. so they should release it JI7 Aug 2018 #72
Ding ding ding Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #79
Someone in a post above said that after Ellison denied, the woman started releasing text messages Blue_true Aug 2018 #84
I wouldn't blame any woman for not wanting to release a video of herself in that situation. nt pnwmom Aug 2018 #92
Yes, if the video exists, it would be humiliating for her. Blue_true Aug 2018 #94
Make her a public figure? tirebiter Aug 2018 #119
Thank you for your concern GaryCnf Aug 2018 #101
Here's what I don't understand. Why is Ellison running for a statewode office? underthematrix Aug 2018 #120
I don't understand it either dflprincess Aug 2018 #143
I don't live in Minnesota but I think Debra Hilstrom is the underthematrix Aug 2018 #147
Don't forget Xavier Becerra left Congress for AG in California OnDoutside Aug 2018 #156
RIP his political future budkin Aug 2018 #126
OK so why weren't these allegations brought up when he ran for Congress? lordsummerisle Aug 2018 #137
They were still together last time he ran for Congress, pnwmom Aug 2018 #157

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
2. Before this I had doubts Keith could win a statewide race
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:01 PM
Aug 2018

Keeping in mind that rural Minnesota went for Trump. I'm just not confident the metro area and Duluth will be enough.

On the other hand, I was leaning to supporting Hilstrom but dragging this up 4 days before the primary gives me pause. Clearly if it's true Keith shouldn't be AG but if Deb has been sitting on this her timing makes me question her motives.

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. I usually agree with you and things you post, but Facebook a few days before the Primary?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:53 PM
Aug 2018

I'm very skeptical of the timing of this (not directed toward you)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. That sure came from left field,
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

knew Keith from our years in the Twin Cities,wow,if this is true,holy cow. Is this coming from a certain person who thought they were Entitled to a Congressional Seat Run.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
20. That is a true statement.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

Worked with Guy's who were to be such goody goody's,until they came in with bruised hands and scratches. The question always was,when do we intervene.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
27. Don't you live in San Fransisco? Why the interest in Minnesota politics?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:29 PM
Aug 2018

This is the second MN race I have noticed for which you created an OP. Shouldn't you be looking into California races instead?

If you have moved to Minnesota, my apologies. I'm not happy with non-Minnesotans messing with the people I can vote for and they can't.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
28. Randy seems to have penchant for posting negative articles about Bernie Sanders and those associated
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

with him. I don't know if it a hobby or what.

W_HAMILTON

(7,839 posts)
32. He posts lots about the various primaries happening all across the country.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

I appreciate it because it helps me keep up-to-date on what's going on electorally.

If you think he is just posting anti-Bernie information, odds are that's because a lot of Bernie's chosen candidates haven't been doing very well electorally and you are viewing that as some sort of attack when in fact it's just him posting about the various races.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
36. Yes, he does, but he also does regulary negative post about Sanders and those that align with him
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:39 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
37. You have two Senators and one Representive. Everyone in every state does.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:49 PM
Aug 2018

Focus on yours, please. I don't appreciate Russians or anyone else meddling in my local elections. If you can't vote for the person, they don't represent you and your opinion doesn't matter.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
39. If the person is going to lose to the GOP because of something he's done, then it matters.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:52 PM
Aug 2018

To all of us.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
43. No, it does not matter to you. They do not represent you.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:58 PM
Aug 2018

Not sure where you live, but unless you can vote in the election, mind your own business, please.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
51. After what happened to Franken, I am more than a little sensitive about people messing
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:09 PM
Aug 2018

It doesn't matter to me if the meddlers are Russian or US. Trying to elect someone in a race one can't vote is is meddling.

GP6971

(31,113 posts)
110. It's not meddling
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:10 PM
Aug 2018

it's about being aware of the overall health of the Democratic Party and what we can all do to improve it. It's called situational awareness.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
114. So when Obama endorses candidates on the upcoming election, he is meddling?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:18 PM
Aug 2018

Is that really what you want to say?

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
140. Interesting comment.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:34 PM
Aug 2018
LakeSuperiorView
51. After what happened to Franken, I am more than a little sensitive about people messing

It doesn't matter to me if the meddlers are Russian or US. Trying to elect someone in a race one can't vote is is meddling.

So when candidates all over the US send emails for money I should just ignore them and not support them in any way? I should ignore their race. Seriously? Are we so divided that we only think about our state and no other? Hell, no. I will support them any way I can, my state or not. As much as the Dump and GOP are trying, we are in fact the United States of America.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
162. So you object to AOC, Bernie Sanders, Keith Ellison and some
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 11:50 AM
Aug 2018

dude from MN basically interfering all over MI's gubernatorial election? I guess I missed your impassioned pleas for people.to stop meddling in our races from your home state.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
71. Please stop telling people "to mind their own business"..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:05 PM
Aug 2018

This is a political discussion board.. we'll discuss what we want.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
104. Hey, Spooky!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:57 PM
Aug 2018

They don't realize that insults only generate MOAR posts and MOAR publicity for the OP that they don't want shown.

Aloha!

Cha

(296,872 posts)
111. Karma, baby! And, so brave
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:12 PM
Aug 2018

of the restaurant owners to deny the Nazis service! Like Stephanie Wilkinson of The Red Hen did to Nazi apologist, hucky sanders.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
113. yes, the article said that an association sent members legal info
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:16 PM
Aug 2018

on service denial, so they were prepared! To be fair, it is easier for DC restaurateurs to do this than for Ms. Wilkinson. She's in a red, pretty rural area, whereas DC is as blue as it can be. It probably helped their business!

Cha

(296,872 posts)
115. No doubt! And good point about DC
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:27 PM
Aug 2018

being so blue and The Red Hen in a red District.

Which prompted me to search how it's doing now..

The Red Hen Reopens to Protesters and a Fully Booked Dining Room

https://www.eater.com/2018/7/6/17539958/red-hen-reopens-protests-lexington-va

I can't find a more current update than July 6, 2018. I suppose I could call and ask!

Response to Cha (Reply #71)

George II

(67,782 posts)
127. Don't know if you live in either Vermont or New York City, but you should be equally annoyed...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:03 PM
Aug 2018

...about two Democrats (one from each of those places) barnstorming the midwest campaigning. Have you told them to "mind their own business"?

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
131. I'm pissed at a certain someone from New York that thinks their opinion about MN politics matters.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:14 PM
Aug 2018

I live in Minnesota. I wish people that can't vote in Minnesota would stop messing with Minnesota politics. We can decide for ourselves what we do.

Bit of a difference in someone who has been asked to campaign for another person and people butting in unasked. Your comparison is faulty in that respect, so it's not worth considering.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
142. Consider this.. you ever so rudely got on this
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:58 PM
Aug 2018

thread and started ordering people around.

How's that working out for you?

Keith Ellison is a vice chair of the DNC.. so your claiming this is just about Minnesota doesn't even fly.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
160. We don't have the luxury of ignoring your legislator - he's involved in policies that affect us ...
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 08:43 AM
Aug 2018

all.

Do you mind terribly when the DNC gets involved to help your candidate? Do our contributions in time and money for your candidate really bother you?

Maybe we should ignore it when the GOP gerrymanders your vote into meaninglessness, after all - what business is it of mine if you have no voice, I'm from Texas.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
50. I guess you haven't been on DU long enough to know.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:08 PM
Aug 2018

People here are free to express opinions and provide information on political matters everywhere, not just in their district or state.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
57. You would be surprized. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:25 PM
Aug 2018

But unless one can vote for a candidate, their opinion does not matter. And voicing is rude and no different than Russian meddling.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
59. Democrats openly expressing opinions is absolutely different than secret meddling by Russia,
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:49 PM
Aug 2018

an enemy to the U.S.

Last I checked, California isn't an enemy of Minnesota's.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
60. No, a Californian messing with a Minnesota election is a foreign entity.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:04 PM
Aug 2018

Californians and Minnesotans jointly vote for President of the United States. We vote separately for our Senators and Representatives. One could make an argument Congress are joint bodies, but we separately vote for the people that represent us. Meddling in the races for state offices is a step beyond that. Meddling in county races and local races would be even further.

If you can't vote for a candidate, you are a foreign agent as far as that race is concerned.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
61. Then a Vermont Senator stumping for Keith Ellison is a "foreign entity" interfering in an election.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:08 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)

You strongly reject Bernie's support of Keith Ellison as A.G. Correct? Because to do so is just like Russian meddling, in your opinion.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/07/06/bernie-sanders-endorses-keith-ellison/

Bernie Sanders Endorses Attorney General Candidate Keith Ellison

https://www.twincities.com/2018/07/13/bernie-sanders-stumps-for-keith-ellison-in-minnesota-attorney-general-bid/

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders rallied for Rep. Keith Ellison’s campaign for attorney general in Minneapolis Friday, giving a high-profile jolt to the normally sleepy race for Minnesota’s top lawyer.

Ellison, the nation’s first Muslim congressman, is part of a crowded Democratic field vying to replace outgoing Attorney General Lori Swanson. After six terms in Congress representing the Minneapolis area and a recent position as a top party official with the Democratic National Committee, his candidacy has elevated the normally sleepy race for attorney general.

Sanders’ endorsement and support for Ellison’s bid only fueled interest ahead of an Aug. 14 primary that will also determine candidates from both parties in pivotal races for governor, Congress and more. Hundreds packed into First Avenue, the famed concert venue in downtown Minneapolis, to see both Ellison and Sanders speak. They also appeared together later in the day in Duluth.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
128. You presume a lot. That's something I've noticed about you.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:05 PM
Aug 2018

Please don't try to tell me what my opinion is, you haven't the slightest idea. Most of the time when you do that, you are wrong.

I haven't said anything about Bernie Sanders. "Normally Sleepy"? Get a fricking life. (I struggled to find something less offensive than I wanted)

How about this? You worry about your state's offices and I will worry about my state's offices.

winstars

(4,219 posts)
146. Hey, Member of DU for 5 whole weeks, this forum is called General Discussion...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 10:20 PM
Aug 2018

I believe there are other individual STATE forums. In them, citizens of all 50 states (and I guess the entire world) can comment or begin threads, just like in GD...

You know, its the whole "discussion" thing.


Can I talk about this subject, I have visited St Paul many times???

But I don't live in your state.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
148. Okay, then the other alternative is that you're not being logical.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 10:39 PM
Aug 2018

Because if you criticize RandySF from CA for being a "foreign entity" like Russia, who is "meddling" in Minnesota's election,

then logically you must conclude that Bernie from VT is also a "foreign entity" like Russia, who is "meddling" in Minnesota's election.

And the quote about "normally sleepy" comes from the posted link. Maybe you should read it.

emulatorloo

(44,071 posts)
66. One of the hottest Hot Takes I've ever read on DU. Congrats as I have read many hot takes here
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:24 PM
Aug 2018

But California is the same as Russia is a whole new level of hotness.

Welcome to DU! I hope you will enjoy it here, it is a good discussion board.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
135. How's that telling people to shut up working out for you?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:20 PM
Aug 2018

This is a fucking political forum where people give their opinions of politicians, political parties, and various assholes around the world.

Deal with it.

emulatorloo

(44,071 posts)
138. Can Californians donate to a candidate in Minnesota?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:30 PM
Aug 2018

Yes.

Can people in Minnesota donate to candidates in another state? yes

Can a foreign government donate to a cAmpaign? no

Cha

(296,872 posts)
74. IKR! And, calling us "Foreign Agents"..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:13 PM
Aug 2018

Oh and btw.. making sure the thread gets kicked so more can see it!

Cha

(296,872 posts)
83. I'm sure it's a new one! He's been
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:30 PM
Aug 2018

called a lot of things for posting what some don't like.. but never a "foreign agent".

Cha

(296,872 posts)
141. That's too bad. Keith Ellison is also vice DNC chair. We're interested in all the States of
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:52 PM
Aug 2018

the Union and will comment accordingly.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
38. Do you feel the same way about Bernie and Alexandria campaigning against incumbent Democrats
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:52 PM
Aug 2018

around the country?

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
63. Keith Ellison is a nationally-recognized Democrat,
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:15 PM
Aug 2018

And this is news. People post news on this site.

If a prominent Kentuckian (my home state) were accused of something as serious as domestic violence, and you posted a link, I would think, "Wow, thanks for bringing this article to my attention."

"Start threads about your own state," is a truly silly mindset.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
69. Excuse me.. RSF posts about States all over the Country..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:00 PM
Aug 2018

Keeps us informed.

Would you rather this news about Ellison be swept under the rug?

It's not your call what other members post around here.

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
98. Does it matter where he lives?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:09 PM
Aug 2018

Shoot the messenger?

I live in Minnesota, and I RARELY comment on Minnesota politics. Should I shut up about Latin America, which is my passion?



FACT: Democrats are in REAL TROUBLE in Minnesota right now. Trump lost in a formerly solid blue state by only 1.5 points. The state has a few urban islands of blue in a sea of red. (and the Iron Range) We very might lose the governor and TWO house seats and Al Franken's former seat in the Senate.

This abuse accusation is serious business.

Turbineguy

(37,295 posts)
3. That should work.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:02 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats better wipe that guy out before anybody gets a chance to do a real investigation.

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
21. June 3 was the last day of the DFL convention this year
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 01:53 PM
Aug 2018

at that point, Keith had not announced he was running for AG. I do have to wonder why it took until 4 days before the primary for this to go public. He has had some issues (nothing as serious as this) that have always come up at election time but given his district have never hurt him much - they are things that could really be hammered on in a statewide race and do a lot of damage.

But, to be clear, I never was supporting him for AG, but I was leaning toward Hilstrom who seems involved with this sudden airing of dirt. Just glad it's coming out now and not before the general election - unless Ellison wins on Tuesday then we have trouble. The DFL has controlled the AG's office for almost 50 years, I would really hate to see a Republican take over as I doubt they wouldn't make consumer protection the priority it has been.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
22. I'm suspicious.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:10 PM
Aug 2018

Mom's twitter account is tweet after tweet about how HE is a narcissist and dealing with narcissists.
Who the hell is HE and why isn't she showing the evidence?

This is all too coy by half.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
10. I hate these situations
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:18 PM
Aug 2018

You have to weight the gravity of the offense versus the truthfulness of the charge.


I don't know.

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
14. I never liked him. Was unhappy when he became involved at the DNC on behalf of Bernie.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:22 PM
Aug 2018

This is a fucking nightmare. The guy needs to go!

theaocp

(4,233 posts)
16. As noted above, we don't know what is going on, other than speculation.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:42 PM
Aug 2018

Perhaps we have some facts, despite your preconceived notions, before we render judgment? There's another Dem from MN that the Dems were quick to discard, as well. I'm not sure this is the best approach.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. So should we risk nominating an abuser?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:27 PM
Aug 2018

Ellison can weigh in by convincingly denying the claim, otherwise, democrats should run from him like he has the plague.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
41. Next step is to look at their primary opponents. Is there a solid opponent
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

who isn't carrying baggage like this?

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
52. This woman is forcefully stating she and her son are telling the truth. We'll see where this goes.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:10 PM
Aug 2018
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
64. She is now sharing texts on Twitter. If Ellison is innocent he should call for an investigation
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:18 PM
Aug 2018

I am guessing he is not innocent.

Response to stevenleser (Reply #64)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
82. Judging from her texts, she apparently just wanted him to apologize to her and help her heal
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:28 PM
Aug 2018

and he repeatedly refused to do so. Even then she wasn’t going to go public. It was her son who did so.

Could this be an elaborate hit job? It seems less and less likely the more one looks into it.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
118. If you read the comments section it is worthless
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:46 PM
Aug 2018

The supposed victim was in fact extorting and harrassing him-the judge in the case issued a restraining order against her and barred her from applying again for an order against him.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
34. You just called him an abuser. Without any evidence.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 03:01 PM
Aug 2018

Way to go knee jerking the old “when did you stop beating your wife”. When did you?





pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
80. There is evidence: the statements of the woman and her son are evidence.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:25 PM
Aug 2018

What we don't have is corroboration, other than the woman's corroborating her son's initial account.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
85. Actually, no.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:37 PM
Aug 2018

Evidence would be the claimed video, or pictures of the injuries.
Until actual evidence is introduced, all we have is a charge by his competitor and an unsubstantiated claim by her son.
As of now, we have no corroboration by any evidence.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
89. No, that is physical evidence. Evidence also includes oral and written statements.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:41 PM
Aug 2018

If the mother and son were willing to give sworn statements as to this matter, it would constitute part of the evidence in any court case.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
90. Has she filed any charges? The son?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:44 PM
Aug 2018

No evidence as of now. Let’s wait and see, and not knee jerk as happened to Franken.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
102. But that doesn't mean we should automatically believe it before we have evidence.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018

“But that doesn't mean we should automatically believe it before we have evidence. Some people are capable of lying about anything...” - you.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9851916




Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
81. An abuser is a person that abuses another person.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:26 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe you should brush up on that. If he did what the woman claimed, then he is an abuser. If she and her son are lying, he is't. Regardless, unless he firmly denies it and no bombshells come out that show conclusively that he is lying, people are taking a risk voting for him.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
87. "If".
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

Uh huh. I need to brush up? Maybe you need to brush up some actual evidence before making assured assumptions.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. I'm not touching until more is out there or hear what he has to say.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

Seems pretty simple. There seems to be claims of saved conversation. Taking Ellison down would be bigger than taking down one person. It would have more divisive implications.

RandySF

(58,511 posts)
26. If it is, it's not from Republicans
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:28 PM
Aug 2018

The accuser is a known progressive activist and the relationship was public knowledge.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
31. Debra Hilstrom and Keith Ellison are competing for Dem nomination
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:55 PM
Aug 2018

as MN Attorney General.

So, campaign noise.

Maybe there will be an investigation.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
33. This is either a.) absolutely true or it's b.) an abominable lie...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

...and if Keith doesn't put out a very forceful statement denying it pretty quick, it's going to be a serious problem.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
46. The son is claiming he saw an incident on video.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018
http://www.startribune.com/u-s-rep-keith-ellison-denies-domestic-violence-allegation/490674981/

U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison on Sunday denied an allegation of domestic violence by an ex-girlfriend after the woman’s son posted about it on Facebook and she confirmed it on Twitter.

“Karen and I were in a relationship which ended in 2016, and I still care deeply for her well-being,” read the statement from Ellison released by his campaign. He is running for attorney general in the DFL primary on Tuesday.

The woman, Karen Monahan, confirmed her son’s post on Twitter shortly after he put it on Facebook. The son, Austin Aslim Monahan, posted that he watched a video on her computer in which Ellison could be seen dragging Monahan off a bed as he screamed profanities at her.

Ellison denied the existence of the video.

“This video does not exist because I never behaved in this way, and any characterization otherwise is false,” Ellison’s statement read.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-ellison-denies-abuse-allegations_us_5b708128e4b0ae32af990d26

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) on Sunday denied that he assaulted an ex-girlfriend, as alleged by the woman’s son in a viral Facebook post a day earlier.

“Karen and I were in a long-term relationship which ended in 2016, and I still care deeply for her well-being,” Ellison said in a statement to CBS Minnesota. “I never behaved this way, and any characterization otherwise is false.”

Karen Monahan’s son, Austin Monahan, wrote in a Facebook post on Saturday that his mom had “come out of pure hell after getting out of her relationship” with Ellison. Austin said that in mid-2017 he discovered a video, as well as dozens of text and Twitter messages between his mother and Ellison, that allegedly show the Minnesota lawmaker physically and verbally abusing her.

“My mom has always tried to protect me and my brother,” Austin wrote in the post. “She doesn’t have to protect us anymore and we aren’t letting her stand alone.”

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
151. Well, since it was taken with her in bed,
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:02 PM
Aug 2018

it might have been taken with her in a nightgown, or less . . .

But what woman would want a public release of a video of her being dragged, probably screaming and crying, out of bed?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
153. I think she maybe lashed back.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:17 AM
Aug 2018

Because when you're being attacked usually that's what you do. Add in screaming, foul language, and it looks like they're "equally" bad regardless of who instigated. And then if it didn't start before things escalated there is opportunity for obfuscation (as is oh so common with these folks) to muddle what really happened.

The video acts as protection against libel / slander and as another poster said it may be released after all, I just think it's probably not as one sided as it may appear, else it'd be released. They can always blur out anything (and indeed if it was the way you portray, that would have a good effect toward rallying people to her cause).

It remains fascinating to me how quickly people are coming to this dudes defense and calling her a liar though. I'm not saying in any way the video is a lie, just that there are good reasons not to release it.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
154. She might have lashed back, for sure. She also might have been in a state of undress,
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:59 AM
Aug 2018

which no one who insists on a release of the video seems to be acknowledging.

riversedge

(70,092 posts)
47. St. Paul Pioneer Press: Ellison denies abuse allegations from ex-girlfriend
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:02 PM
Aug 2018

I heart fell when I saw this.





Ellison denies abuse allegations from ex-girlfriend



https://www.twincities.com/2018/08/12/ellison-denies-abuse-allegations-from-ex-girlfriend-2/

FILE – In a Dec. 2, 2016 file photo, U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., listens during a forum on the future of the Democratic Party, in Denver. Ellison, who is currently running to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee, announced Monday, Jan. 16, 2017, he is boycotting Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration on Friday. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski, File)
By Associated Press |
PUBLISHED: August 12, 2018 at 2:00 pm | UPDATED: August 12, 2018 at 2:13 pm


MINNEAPOLIS — An ex-girlfriend of U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison has accused the Minnesota Democrat of emotional and physical abuse. Ellison says it never happened.

The allegations surfaced Saturday night from Karen Monahan after her son alleged in a Facebook post that he had seen messages from Ellison threatening her and video of the congressman screaming obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet. Monahan said via Twitter that what her son posted was “true.”

The Minneapolis woman did not respond to a request from The Associated Press asking for copies of the video or text messages. Ellison says the video does not exist and denies behaving that way.

The allegations come days before Democratic voters choose between Ellison and other candidates in a Tuesday primary for attorney general....................................

riversedge

(70,092 posts)
49. This story is about to go viral.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:06 PM
Aug 2018


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pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
62. Ellison was the one "Justice Democrats" were petitioning to replace Franken
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:13 PM
Aug 2018

before Franken resigned.

And he never spoke out on Franken's behalf or disavowed their campaign.

Cha

(296,872 posts)
108. In fact Ellison wrote this "eulogy" on Franken..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:08 PM
Aug 2018
https://ellison.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/ellison-statement-on-sen-al-frankens-resignation


Dec 7, 2017
Press Release
WASHINGTON – Following Sen. Al Franken's decision to resign from the U.S. Senate, Rep. Keith Ellison issued the following statement:

"I commend the brave women who have come forward in recent weeks to share their experience of sexual harassment and assault. Their courage is immense, and has sparked a long overdue national reckoning with persistent inequities and injustices in our society.

"I am grateful for Al Franken’s progressive record of accomplishment over the years—from his forceful advocacy for a free and open internet, to his important work helping to shape the Affordable Care Act, to his support for policies that improve the lives of women, including championing the Violence Against Women Act. Still, as elected officials, we must stand for safe communities and work environments for everyone. Sen. Franken's decision to resign shows a strength of character that other elected officials haven’t. Al’s decision is the right one, and will bring us one step closer towards a society of true justice and equality for all."

On Doutside https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10993613

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
56. I wonder if LeeAnn Tweeden is coaching her on how to take down good Dems?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

Not believing any of the negativity until I see actual proof.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
88. Ellison Statement on Sen. Al Franken's Resignation
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018
https://ellison.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/ellison-statement-on-sen-al-frankens-resignation

Dec 7, 2017
Press Release
WASHINGTON – Following Sen. Al Franken's decision to resign from the U.S. Senate, Rep. Keith Ellison issued the following statement:

"I commend the brave women who have come forward in recent weeks to share their experience of sexual harassment and assault. Their courage is immense, and has sparked a long overdue national reckoning with persistent inequities and injustices in our society.

"I am grateful for Al Franken’s progressive record of accomplishment over the years—from his forceful advocacy for a free and open internet, to his important work helping to shape the Affordable Care Act, to his support for policies that improve the lives of women, including championing the Violence Against Women Act. Still, as elected officials, we must stand for safe communities and work environments for everyone. Sen. Franken's decision to resign shows a strength of character that other elected officials haven’t. Al’s decision is the right one, and will bring us one step closer towards a society of true justice and equality for all."

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
93. With respect to what was done to Al, I think it is important that evidence should be used to back
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:48 PM
Aug 2018

up this allegation, and not the bullshit stuff that was used to knife Franken. Have we had a statement from Senator Gillibrand yet ?

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
161. I really hate what was done to Franken, but in fairness,
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 11:49 AM
Aug 2018

certain democrats pounced because we live in a society of headline readers (them included), and they conflated the picture & Franken's sincere apology for the way anything may have been misconstrued with an admission of guilt for all the accusations.

So it's not quite the same thing, although, I'm now irritated after rehashing what happened, and I have no issue with kicking Ellison under the bus, at this point. Please just do it before the primaries!

Response to JI7 (Reply #72)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
84. Someone in a post above said that after Ellison denied, the woman started releasing text messages
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:35 PM
Aug 2018

online. If she is doing that and there is video, expect to see the video real soon. My guess is if the texts raise questions about Ellison, the woman may be releasing them to force him to resign. Just don't understand why she waited this long, unless she feared he may win and she could not stomach that (whereas, if he was sure to lose big, there was no reason for her to lose her privacy).

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
94. Yes, if the video exists, it would be humiliating for her.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:49 PM
Aug 2018

People don't expect to be abused by someone they care about. The release of the video would also make her a public figure, which could impact her job, business, ect.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
120. Here's what I don't understand. Why is Ellison running for a statewode office?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:50 PM
Aug 2018

Why is he giving up his seat in Congress. I'm not judging. I just don't understand.

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
143. I don't understand it either
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 10:02 PM
Aug 2018

rural Minnesota went for Trump in 2016 and I doubt that there's that many who have seen enough light that they'll support Ellison and I am concerned that the metro area and Duluth will not be enough to win the AG race.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
147. I don't live in Minnesota but I think Debra Hilstrom is the
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 10:29 PM
Aug 2018

BEST Dem candidate. She's been in the state senate for 17 years and one of her big issue is racial justice. I think she'll be fantastic.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
156. Don't forget Xavier Becerra left Congress for AG in California
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:59 AM
Aug 2018

I guess it s easier to stand out in a singular office than feeding frenzy of Congress. It looks like a stepping stone to a run for Governor or Senate.

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
137. OK so why weren't these allegations brought up when he ran for Congress?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:25 PM
Aug 2018

and to address an earlier post, Ellison was on Thom Hartmann's show and said that he thought he could better implement his ideas and beliefs as AG rather than a congressman...

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
157. They were still together last time he ran for Congress,
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:25 AM
Aug 2018

is what she would say. In her statement she says they broke up in January 2107.

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