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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz"
This is not pretty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/10/fact-checking-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-media-blitz/?utm_term=.3ab0569c3507
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Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs."" - False
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ICE is required to fill 34,000 beds with detainees every single night and that number has only been increasing since 2009. - False
"They [national Democrats] were campaigning most when we had more of an American middle class. This upper middle class is probably more moderate but that upper middle class does not exist anymore in America. - False
"In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is actually much cheaper than the current system that we pay right now. - False
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The reason that the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act is because they ruled that each of these monthly payments that everyday American make is a tax." - False
SHRED
(28,136 posts)That's gonna leave a mark.
If you believe facts that is.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)See Nate Silver, and Matt Yglesias responded agreeing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1027577021646426113
I don't know, I watch these clips where Ocasio-Cortez is supposedly making huge gaffes and it seems like her policy knowledge is...probably about on par with or maybe a bit ahead of the average member of Congress.
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The level of policy expertise isn't great in Congress. And everyone says some dumb shit in long, extemporaneous interviews. Pick one of the random 435 members of the House out of a hat, have them do TV several times a week, and you'll see much worse.
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EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)A big reason that Democratic members of Congress dont do multiple interviews a week is because they dont get asked by the media. She was asked. So she does them. Good for her.
Ocasio-Cortez can play a role to expand the Overton Window, and we should be happy about that, not tut tutting her.
What shes saying resonates, and her big picture points are correct. Im willing to give her some slack on policy details. She doesnt need to make policy in her first year. And I am happy to hear her going to give interviews.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They know what they are talking about and can handle themselves in an interview without spewing unbelievable tales.
If saying things that are not true is your idea of resonating, there are really big problems with how you see things.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)First, even Dems in leadership dont get these kind of press hits.
Second, shes talking about important issues and is right on much of the big picture.
You know the old backhanded compliment: Technically correct is the best kind of correct. For too long Dems have worried about every crossed t and dotted I while Republicans jam their policies down our throats.
Lets enjoy that shes hitting the correct big picture points and support her for that.
I find not a small measure of jealousy in the way the media wants to tear her down.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)accountable for saying things that are not true.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Honestly, with all due respect, the attitude you espouse is the attitude of people who dont know how to get things done.
Vision matters. Republicans understand this. Policy matters too, but both are important. We shouldnt trash our vision people because they dont currently have complete mastery of every policy detail.
For gods sake: the Republican Party wants to cage kids and kill people by reducing healthcare for billionaire tax cuts.
And you want to throw out an effective communicator who could lead the emotional fight against the GOP because she quoted the Nation and said hardworking people often have multiple jobs to make ends meet? Come on, man.
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EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)She should work on learning policy and get some media training.
But shes an asset.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)jaywalking, they are the essential parts of their job.
KPN
(15,638 posts)Gotta wonder why a Dem would torpedo a rising spokesperson for the middle and working class. Sort of like the folks who correct other posters spelling.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)There are plenty of folks out there who would, however.
KPN
(15,638 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I think we both know the answer and therein lies the problem.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)to take one example. I'll tactfully ignore the rest of your comment.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I think most Dems would agree the ACA is a compromise we had to accept due to concerted GOP obstruction. Of course it's not perfect and we should take it much farther when we regain power. What's anti-Dem about that?
dae
(3,396 posts)Quixote1818
(28,919 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)You should think about replacing Mr. Lesser on Fox. Your adept handling of his bogus points reminded me of when Paul Begalia wiped the floor with Tucker Carlson on Cross Fire.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)As usual with most arguments, there is a grain of truth in what Mr. Leser says. But overreaction to small gaffes is not necessary. I'm excited about what AOC stands for and how clearly she advocates for big ideas. That has a role in the Democratic party today.
Also, I didn't know that Steve Leser goes on Fox. Wow. Good for him for trying, but at this point if a liberal gets invited back to Fox they must realize that Fox considers them ineffectual enough that Fox can use them to discredit Dems. (I hope Phillipe Reines does NOT get invited back, because I think he's a good spokesperson and I don't want him to wear the scarlet letters.)
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)KPN
(15,638 posts)TiberiusB
(485 posts)Good thing we all held her feet to the fire, right?
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Other members do get lots of media requests, but they know not to accept every time they're asked. They definitely don't do interviews about subjects they're not well versed in. She really needs to take it back a few notches, stop trying to be a national leader overnight, and focus on her district and her race.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)My thoughts exactly. Go back to her district, focus on her race, and start the long hard climb to becoming an influential member of Congress. Especially by studying up on the issues both in her platform and beyond.
She's risking becoming a '15 minutes of fame' public servant.
womanofthehills
(8,665 posts)OMG!
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)womanofthehills
(8,665 posts)She is bright and overall has done great in her interviews.
George II
(67,782 posts)KPN
(15,638 posts)its ridiculously out of proportion. I guess for some, one has to be crystal clear, dispassionate, and absent of rhetorical device to be above criticism or an established D persona.
Lets eat our own why dont we.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)When are we going to stop this adoration of entertainers?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)We all know whether a good number of folks we come in contact with work two jobs. That part is definitely not credible.
A Koch survey indicated that Medicare for All is a good thing? Who would believe THAT?
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Heres the Nation:
https://www.thenation.com/article/thanks-koch-brothers-proof-single-payer-saves-money/
Its hardly a ridiculous claim for her to be echoing the Nation, even if the Nation has some Russia problems (with van den Huevel) today.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That is minor league crap. She is in the bigs now. If she can't handle it, she should keep her yap shut until she learns her shit.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)We need people who are dedicated to the truth - especially now - and are serious about doing the work.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Dems like to eat their own.
AOC is an inspiring speaker who speaks to problems in America. I will seek to correct her errors. I will not throw the baby out with the bath water and reject her completely for lack of comprehensive policy knowledge that most Congresspeople also lack.
If you want to tear her down for this, that is your right.
I will support her, however. And I will support any Dem who stands up for working people, especially those who are young and hardworking and are learning.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Pelosi needs to step in and tell her that she can expect the worst committee assignments unless she sits down and shuts up until she buys a clue on some of this stuff.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)has Russian stank on them IMO. This statement should be allowed on the Democratic Underground. Just saying.
George II
(67,782 posts)dsc
(52,152 posts)and she didn't say they did. She did say the study said it would save money and the study did say that. yes, they then qualified the statement but they did say it would save money. In short, she did give a technically accurate statement on that one.
KPN
(15,638 posts)she grew up in.
I know quite a few people who work more than one job out of necessity. Come to think of it, I have adult kids who have had to at times.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)...of why some people are out of touch with the struggles of many Americans.
I know people who do. My mother was one of them.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Her family moved to Westchester so she could go to better schools than in the Bronx. Her father owned an architecture firm. They maintained two homes in New York. She grew up fairly privileged. These facts came out immediately after her win, and she had to correct/update her web page. Your response to Steve Leser is trying to maintain that she grew up in underprivileged neighborhoods, and that's not true.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)AOC debunked that argument, put forth by rightwing propaganda media like Newsmax.
Heres the truth.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/7/2/17525180/ocasio-cortez-newsmax-bronx
Her mom scrubbed toilets growing up.
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EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Her mom scrubbed toilets growing up, is what she said.
It's sad that you want to put her down for saying that, by saying something about sacrifices.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)University.
Welcome to DU.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)"Ocasio-Cortez also confronted Cardillos assertions about her upbringing, confirming that the place he highlighted was, in fact, nice. My mom scrubbed toilets so I could live here & I grew up seeing how the zip code one is born in determines much of their opportunity, she wrote."
Also John Cardillo is a rightwing propagandist, while we're at it.
George II
(67,782 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)100% right.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)When a "regular" Democrat says something it's all: Words are the action of politics, this is a huge mistake, there is no room for error, she doesn't deserve another chance, bad optics, etc., a very large deal. But now I guess some eggs are allowed to be coddled, not boiled.
Cha
(296,878 posts)Thank You for reminding us how so many Democrats, including President Obama, had to have their feet to the FIRE ad nauseam.
But, now it's not ok for AOC. Wrong.
Obama always had his feet held to the fire. I remember it all, Cha.
Cha
(296,878 posts)built around him in the BOG. Good times, she!
sheshe2
(83,662 posts)I loved the BOG and all the BOGers, Cha.
Cha
(296,878 posts)hardy/hearty bunch!
sheshe2
(83,662 posts)Some of my favorite DUers posted there.
Huge hug.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)If Pelosi, Schumer, Booker, Menendez, etc etc don't get a free pass - then no one should.
I think she's a one or two term Federal Rep who will pivot to private industry when the time is right for her.
Our Revolution strikes me as very ANTI Career Politicians.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)She shouldnt have been made into a political rock star. I dont even blame her, Ive thought she was getting shit advice. Once shes elected, she can do the work. Much more effective.
Me.
(35,454 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)elleng
(130,767 posts)thanks for nothing.
question everything
(47,440 posts)but they chose to keep quiet, to sit in the back benches until they mastered the roles.
These were Hillary Clinton and Al Franken.
And then came Cruz who jumped and offended Feinstein committee and since then - everyone is a "rock star." Does not seems that she is seeking anyone's advice.
Sadly, with such a strong Democratic district she will never have a chance to learn.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)While this is annoying to those who seek truth and fairness, it's easily ignored and rebuffed by those seeking the idol.
Cha
(296,878 posts)Where does she get her "facts" from?
Thank You, Steven, for posting this.. Kessler goes into vivid detail.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Saying 'much' is a stretch, it was like 1-2 Trillion less out of 24 Trillion over 10 years or some such, but she's not entirely wrong here.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)If you look at the statements where the "savings" are mention, there is a comparison to how much insurance companies are paying. But that seems to be ignoring the considerable amount that consumers pay for healthcare currently. Also, the estimate given in the study is *extrememly* conservative, and says as much, so you can expect the costs to be higher.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Overall cost of providing healthcare on a per-capita basis would go down with medicare for all vs current system, so she's not coming out of left field here.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)The lower cost was based on the language of Bernie's bill, which the study's author said was unrealistic. Expecting all medical service providers to drop all rates to the level that Medicare currently pays out is a pipe dream. And if that isn't done, then Bernie's plan is much more expensive. The study also points out that even doubling personal and corporate taxes wouldn't be enough to pay for it.
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dansolo
(5,376 posts)Again I ask, have you even read the study that they are referring to? Here is a couple of links to help you out.
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)She speaks for the people of NY 14. She doesn't speak for the entire nation or party.
George II
(67,782 posts)....and recent primary results have proven Tammy Duckworth to be correct.
Apology? I doubt it.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)She's had loss against a terrible candidate who bashed her for being weak on the military (again, a decorated Vet who lost her legs, "weak" ). She went more hawkish in 2012, and is regularly bashing Trump for his anti-military rhetoric. Mary Landrieu has a similarly hawkish performance. Which apparently is more necessary for women in office.
She lost in 2006 because of the opposing candidates "cut and run" ads. She learned, you have to fight fire with fire, and actually represent your constituents.
George II
(67,782 posts)...it turns out that Tammy Duckworth's comment was correct.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I thought we were not supposed to bash democrats on DU.
George II
(67,782 posts)vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,168 posts)leftstreet
(36,101 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #48)
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(67,782 posts)progressoid
(49,952 posts)Quixote1818
(28,919 posts)Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #38)
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sheshe2
(83,662 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I hear that claim a lot from progressives as a throw away line. So much so that I assumed it to be true. The fact that I have always held 2 or more jobs, plus volunteer work, all by choice not necessity, led me to believe it true.
After further review, I reckon it to be untrue. Very few people I know have more than one job.
George II
(67,782 posts)....if that person loses one of those two, he/she is STILL employed!
If I had two jobs and then added a third job, would that further reduce the unemployment level?
theaocp
(4,233 posts)Remember shrub talking about the great thing in America is how many people can hold multiple jobs? I know I'm mangling his words, but I think that's the gist of the comment.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Quixote1818
(28,919 posts)Does she blow one statistic up to make her point? Yes but deep down there is a grain of truth to this statement. People may not work two jobs but it takes and husband and a wife to bring in what one income used to bring in back in the 1960's. (Adjusted for inflation)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-todays-economy-even-two-income-families-struggle-to-make-ends-meet
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George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)The reason it is valuable is because we know The Kochs didn't intend on making Medicare for All look good, and yet, even by their numbers it does.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Get your story straight at least.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)numbers at the people who funded it. Are you saying those numbers are not what the report came up with?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Among others.
Bookmarking this thread because Im sure well be revisiting these comments.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)unfortunately. While Alexandria is weak on facts just like every populist out there, her proposals are correct: we need universal healthcare regardless of cost. ICE is becoming dangerous and may very well turn into gestapo so its in our best interests to abolish it.
I no longer believe it can be reformed. ICE has been engaged in a large child trafficking and kidnapping operations orchestrated by the US government. You cant clean it up, international human rights courts will be all over it. It is de facto criminal organization and we are funding it which makes us accomplices to the horrific crimes, it cant stand.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)It is literally obfuscating the truth by repeating the same bullshit about government expenditures, as if that isn't the number we are comparing to current healthcare costs. What the fuck gives? That's just embarrassing. "The Koch brother's study makes clear..." presumably just by saying it since their evidence is in the numbers and says the opposite, "that this is an unrealistic assumption." Wow. That really instills confidence in me when Wapo takes at face value a throwaway statement in the study meant to dismiss the findings. Brilliant!
As to her statement about the upper middle class. I thought that was odd when I heard her say it, and it just makes more sense for her to be talking about the middle class. I'm not that bothered by that one, but it is off by degrees and is quirky. Wapo's assessment of the middle class slightly dipping is tragic, given that wages have been stagnant for a loooong fucking time and cost of living, insurance, etc. have continued to increase. This kind of dismissive rhetoric makes this feel like a puff piece for the status quo.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And she's said it before so apparently it's part of the road show.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)shows just how far from a kill-shot they were. It is frankly, smart to use it, and going forward with Medicare for All does not undermine the ACA. I just plain don't follow your reasoning.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And yes, that is completely whacked.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)do medicare for all any favors. That is exactly what she's using it for. But of course she's using it to campaign for medicare for all, its a powerful statement to say that a couple rich people who want to kill it ended up accidently showing that it saves the American people money.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)In a Koch brothers-funded study if any studys going to try to be a little bit slanted, it would be one funded by the Koch brothers it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is actually much cheaper than the current system that we pay right now.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The "current system" is the ACA and she shouldn't be using a facking Koch study to bash it.
Capiche?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Medicare for All? That's fucking wild. You know that nobody who votes for medicare for all is going to simply vote to repeal the ACA right? So who would the audience be for such an absurd proposition?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)in which that happens? There's no such thing as having to kill the ACA first in order to pave the way for Medicare for Alll...and the big Republican objections to the ACA were that it was going to be a slippery slope to something like Medicare for all or Single Payer. You think they want the public to be primed for that direction? I admit I'm not so good at math. Maybe you can explain your algorithm.
Okay I'll make it simple:
1) Many super-rich people hate paying taxes.
2) They will tell any lie they think will lower their taxes.
And that my friend is how the world works.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)The slightest hint of any tax increase makes them freak out.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)We should be tearing that nonsense down, and apparently that is working if you look at opinion polls on this subject.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Medicare for All to be an overall cheaper alternative to what we have now, which is the ENTIRE health insurance system, not just 'The ACA'. ACA is not the entirety of the system.
Kochs may want to kill ACA, but they also sure as shit don't want Medicare For All, and that was POINT of their study ... is to show how expensive (government $$$-wise) such a system would be. It ended up having to admit though that total costs for healthcare in the US would be less than what we now spend under the totality of the systems in place.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's the problem.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)you aren't following. Again, how does promoting Medicare for All help the Kochs and their agenda of getting rid of the ACA? Feel free to make something up. I'll just be entertained by rube goldbergean logic.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you have a lot to learn.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this is what it has come down to.. spinning so much, that even when the Kochs get owned by their own study - it can not be used against them.. bizzare
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And she sure as hell shouldn't be using "a Koch brothers-funded study" to do it.
Seriously, that's really, really wrong.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)to be running in a deep blue area and that this is projected to be a blue wave year. If this were somewhere more competitive, she would face trouble for this and some of the other things she has touched on, such as the inconsistencies regarding her background.
OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)SkyDancer
(561 posts)And? A year ago she was a barista. Think about that.
No politician is perfect and every single one of them makes mistakes. So she made a few, who hasn't? Sure she could use some polishing and what not but couldn't we all?
She won on policy. Policy which helps people who are in need like the sick, elderly, the poor, and for many of us that's what matters. We want people who will help enrich our lives using policies to do so. Some people don't seem to understand this. Maybe those people could ask the person working the drive-thru window next time when they're ordering their Chai Latte's what's up.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)You'll be back!!
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)Guess he will have to go back to Fox if he wants to continue bashing Democrats.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Surely he will claim that he was alert stalked.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)OOPS.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Autumn
(44,986 posts)She's young and she will only get better
TiberiusB
(485 posts)Is this where somebody stands up and says that we need educated leaders representing us, not people "spewing" incorrect information? Maybe she should "keep her yap shut"? I bet she can afford to "buy a clue".
At least she doesn't have the nerve to pal around with "non-democrats" because we all know that anyone who isn't a Dem has "Russian stank on them".
To be clear, no one is attacking AOC. They are just offering helpful critiques.
Sure.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"flagged for review" mean??
Is that jury driven, or administrative issued??
Autumn
(44,986 posts)The TOS explains it
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
When participating on the Democratic Underground discussion forums, members are expected to follow our forum rules, listed below. If you break the rules, your post will be removed. Repeated rule violations, or a single flagrant rule violation, will result in your posting privileges being suspended while we review your account. If the Administrators come to believe that you do not share our core principles, you will not be permitted to participate unless you convince us otherwise.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Its the new banned as no one ever gets reviewed.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I hope this can be rectified as Leser's contributions are consistently first-rate.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Warts and all.
And ever since the admins gave everyone amnesty, made the jury process anonymous and explicitly spelled out the rules literally no one has an excuse anymore.
It is not that hard to follow the rules but you have to actually want to. The OP apparently decided that the rule against depressing turnout in a general election does not apply to them. They were wrong.
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bigtree
(85,977 posts)...the only one who gains by an effort like this, since she's already gone through our primary, would be her republican opponent.
pwb
(11,252 posts)Same people bashing this young lady whenever they can.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)No where in the article did they say she was making false statements. Did she get some details wrong? Sure, but they werent 100% false.
You are bashing a Democrat.
KG
(28,751 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)gee, color me shocked..
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)What a terrible shame.
theophilus
(3,750 posts)There needs to be some fact checking on the fact checkers. Lots of folks do have second jobs and households seem unable to get by on one income. 35 hours a week might not even qualify for benefits. Teachers work way more than 35 hours a week and to say the average worker works less than 40 hours a week strikes me as troubling at best. AOC is drawing attention to our Robust Economy that does not strike me as robust at all. IMO.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)winning a primary is nothing until you win the election. Traveling to Hawaii wasn't a good choice.
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)From the WaPo link in the the OP:
And so, while it may not seem like we pay that tax on April 15th, we pay it every single month or we do pay at tax season if we dont buy, you know, these plans off of the exchange."
Yes, these errors need to be called out here, because they are dangerous lies and she shouldn't be helping to spread them.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Be threatened by a self-described Socialist?
I like the WaPo. I still read the WaPo. But its the same paper than ran 16 anti Bernie pieces in 16 hours, according to FAIR. They are militantly centrist, if such a thing is possible.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And the sad fact is that an actually sensible policy like "Medicaid for most" doesn't do that.
She even said so early on: she's in a D+16 district. Look at the kind of crazy right wing shit the bomb-throwers in R+16 districts throw. She does that for us.
It doesn't matter that her actual claims are false any more than it does that the Freedom Caucus' claims are: she's putting the idea of, say, universal government-funded health care out in the media and getting normal people to think of that as one of the options.
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