Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:36 PM

WAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz"

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/10/fact-checking-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-media-blitz/?utm_term=.3ab0569c3507

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“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs."" - False

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“ICE is required to fill 34,000 beds with detainees every single night and that number has only been increasing since 2009.” - False

"“They [national Democrats] were campaigning most when we had more of an American middle class. This upper middle class is probably more moderate but that upper middle class does not exist anymore in America.” - False

"“In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is actually much cheaper than the current system that we pay right now.” - False

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“The reason that the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act is because they ruled that each of these monthly payments that everyday American make is a tax." - False

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WAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz" (Original post)	stevenleser	Aug 2018	OP
Ouch	SHRED	Aug 2018	#1
This is blown WAY out of proportion	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#2
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#6
Other Dems don't get this kind of exposure	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#10
Sure they do. Dems in leadership absolutely do. And there is a reason they are in leadership.	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#11
No. There is correct, and there is nitpicking.	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#15
Nitpicking? She is wrong, and easily demonstrated to be wrong. She is going to be in congress and is	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#17
She is right on big picture issues	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#21
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#22
Crucifixion not required for jaywalking	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#23
Elected officials do two things, vote on bills and public speaking on the issues. Neither is	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#24
Hear, hear.	KPN	Aug 2018	#59
I think a Dem wouldn't torpedo a rising spokesperson.	lagomorph777	Aug 2018	#136
I agree.	KPN	Aug 2018	#137
Spokesperson for whom?	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#141
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#146
Yes but whose? Bashing the ACA on CNN is not a core Democratic value	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#147
I'm guessing you refer to her promotion of Medicare For All as bashing the ACA.	lagomorph777	Aug 2018	#148
Correct, ACA was a beginning not an end all.	dae	Aug 2018	#152
Bingo! nt	Quixote1818	Aug 2018	#64
Dead on!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Aug 2018	#97
Well argued, EndGOPPropaganda! Thank you.	berni_mccoy	Aug 2018	#113
Thank you	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#138
+1	leftstreet	Aug 2018	#144
OK. So you don't like her. We got it.	KPN	Aug 2018	#58
This "fact checking" seems familiar...	TiberiusB	Aug 2018	#63
Yup the fact checkers were wrong and Mercatus exposed	EndGOPPropaganda	Sep 2018	#172
She should have the discretion to decline	EffieBlack	Aug 2018	#30
+ 1000	ehrnst	Aug 2018	#101
Bingo, Effie.	kstewart33	Aug 2018	#107
So you think the little lady should stay home & know her place	womanofthehills	Aug 2018	#159
Are you serious?	EffieBlack	Aug 2018	#161
I bet her district loves seeing her out there - proud of their own	womanofthehills	Aug 2018	#158
Nate Silver? The guy who is routinely dissed on DU?	George II	Aug 2018	#42
Yup. Even without Nate Silver/Matt Yglesias	KPN	Aug 2018	#57
At least she talks a good game.	Claritie Pixie	Aug 2018	#3
That would imply people believes the incorrect facts she is spewing. I don't think anyone does.	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#7
What? That claim was widely covered.	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#12
She is making policy for the country. She should know better than to trust a third rate publication.	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#13
Well said stevenleser.	Claritie Pixie	Aug 2018	#16
This attitude is defeatist.	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#18
Bullshit, we don't need people who don't know the facts to be speaking for us. THAT is defeatist	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#19
Anyone who parades around with non-democrats	blue cat	Aug 2018	#32
Thin skin won't cut it in Washington, DC	George II	Aug 2018	#43
actually they don't say it is a good thing	dsc	Aug 2018	#29
What circles you in? Probably not the one(s)	KPN	Aug 2018	#60
+1 Two jobs to make ends meet is hardly unknown	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#139
"not knowing anyone who works two jobs" is almost a perfect illustration...	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#149
I know them too. Nm	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#154
Wow! These kinds of misrepresentations can really backfire. She grew up in privilege.	R B Garr	Aug 2018	#151
This is a rightwing talking point	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#155
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#156
What you said is a rightwing talking point	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#163
And LOL, your link is to her comment about Boston	R B Garr	Aug 2018	#157
No. Her mom scrubbed toilets	EndGOPPropaganda	Aug 2018	#164
It's not a "right wing talking point", nor was it debunked.	George II	Aug 2018	#169
For posterity: AOC was right, and fact checkers were wrong	EndGOPPropaganda	Sep 2018	#173
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#4
And I think that is saying it about as nice as you can.	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#9
When holding feet to the fire is on the other foot.	betsuni	Aug 2018	#5
Yes, the double standard is glaring.	Cha	Aug 2018	#28
Yes.	sheshe2	Aug 2018	#31
We had a Firewall	Cha	Aug 2018	#33
Yea, we did.	sheshe2	Aug 2018	#34
I knooow.. we were such a	Cha	Aug 2018	#37
YES! We were.	sheshe2	Aug 2018	#39
I wonder why her feet are not held to the fire?	leftofcool	Aug 2018	#79
This times 1000	JustAnotherGen	Aug 2018	#96
K&R !	stonecutter357	Aug 2018	#8
This is Exactly why	ismnotwasm	Aug 2018	#14
One Hopes	Me.	Aug 2018	#20
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate nt	stevenleser	Aug 2018	#25
All hope abandon, ye who enter,	elleng	Aug 2018	#27
Once upon a time, two well known individuals were elected to the senate	question everything	Aug 2018	#54
Nah, populist lies get swept under the rug.	joshcryer	Aug 2018	#61
""In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is..	Cha	Aug 2018	#26
That study did show savings overall for Medicare for All ...	mr_lebowski	Aug 2018	#84
The savings may also be a lie	dansolo	Aug 2018	#98
Point is many on our side have pointed out that the language in teh study suggests	mr_lebowski	Aug 2018	#121
Did you actually read the study?	dansolo	Aug 2018	#133
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#134
That article is a fluff piece. It doesn't mention any of the issues brought up by the paper.	dansolo	Aug 2018	#145
I have an elegant solution.	DemocratSinceBirth	Aug 2018	#35
Yes. She bashed Tammy Duckworth for pointing out that she doesn't speak for the midwest.....	George II	Aug 2018	#45
Tammy Duckworth knows damn well about constituants with her 2006 loss.	joshcryer	Aug 2018	#62
Exactly, and with the primary results in the midwest that we saw last week...	George II	Aug 2018	#117
Let me guess, you are not a supporter of AOC.	Equinox Moon	Aug 2018	#36
Not being a supporter is far different from "bashing".	George II	Aug 2018	#47
It sounds like bashing to me.	vsrazdem	Aug 2018	#56
Republicans should be holding AOC's feet to the fire, not fellow Dems. This reeks of sour grapes.	TheBlackAdder	Aug 2018	#38
+1	leftstreet	Aug 2018	#46
Sour grapes? How so?	George II	Aug 2018	#48
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#51
That doesn't answer my questions. But you're great at attempting to read my mind.	George II	Aug 2018	#52
Yup. n/t	progressoid	Aug 2018	#65
We have a winner! nt	Quixote1818	Aug 2018	#67
This message was self-deleted by its author	chwaliszewski	Aug 2018	#49
Yet Democrats held Obama's feet to the fire ad nauseum. nt	sheshe2	Aug 2018	#140
Fact checking surprise: only 5% hold 2 jobs?	GusBob	Aug 2018	#40
The curious thing is that when someone holds two jobs that person is "employed"....	George II	Aug 2018	#50
I believe the idea is comparing unemployment with underemployment.	theaocp	Aug 2018	#110
No, she was talking about reasons why the unemployment rate has dropped.	George II	Aug 2018	#111
No, she was talking about reasons why the unemployment rate has dropped.	George II	Aug 2018	#112
It's not meant to be taken as fact. It's meant to make a point about income inequality.	Quixote1818	Aug 2018	#66
This message was self-deleted by its author	George II	Aug 2018	#41
What's concerning is she is using a Koch funded study to bolster her Democratic Socialist position.	George II	Aug 2018	#44
Its not concerning at all, and the numbers do show that it is a savings despite this Wapo nonsense.	JCanete	Aug 2018	#69
LOL, that's exactly the nonsense you just denied below.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#77
Where have I contradicted myself? Place them side by side. What did I deny?	JCanete	Aug 2018	#78
You really should read through the entire report.	George II	Aug 2018	#114
You don't actually have to accept a reports findings to throw back the inconveneint	JCanete	Aug 2018	#130
That free funeral expense comment was frankly bizarre.	R B Garr	Aug 2018	#53
it may be the only way to get media coverage these days	AlexSFCA	Aug 2018	#55
That whole passage about Medicare for All and the Koch study sounds like total bullshit.	JCanete	Aug 2018	#68
Yes, it is total bullshit. That's the point. Using the Kochs to bash the ACA is disurbing.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#70
She's pointing out that the Koch's hit job on Medicare for All	JCanete	Aug 2018	#71
No, that's not what she's pointing out. She's using the Kochs to sell medicare-for-all.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#73
are you intentionally being obtuse? She literally says that their study isn't intended to	JCanete	Aug 2018	#74
Read the OP. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#75
I did....what did I miss?	JCanete	Aug 2018	#76
this: "it shows that Medicare for all is actually much cheaper than the current system."	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#80
what the fuck? Are you serious? YOu think the Koch brothers are trying to bash the ACA by promoting	JCanete	Aug 2018	#81
The Kochs are out to kill the ACA, yes. She should NOT be helping them. nt	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#82
Again how on earth would promoting medicare for all help to kill the ACA. Lay out a scenario	JCanete	Aug 2018	#83
Hoo boy.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#86
Americans have been conditioned for decades to hate taxes, of course.	betsuni	Aug 2018	#93
yeah, then we shoudn't buy into shitty wapo stories that continue to support that mythology.	JCanete	Aug 2018	#94
She's not trying to kill the ACA by pointing out that the Koch study shows	mr_lebowski	Aug 2018	#85
But the Kochs are, and she's helping them.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#87
except that she's not. Except that this does not help them. That seems to be the part	JCanete	Aug 2018	#88
She's playing right into their hands.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#89
but not teach me how this is doing that....okaaaay. but I could learn so much from you...right now.	JCanete	Aug 2018	#90
lmao...	disillusioned73	Aug 2018	#125
She shouldn't be bashing the ACA.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#72
AOC is lucky	Jamaal510	Aug 2018	#91
100% agree.	OnDoutside	Aug 2018	#92
She needs some polishing	SkyDancer	Aug 2018	#95
uh oh. Be well, Steve Leser, You had a good run here at the DU!!	m-lekktor	Aug 2018	#99
He disrupted poorly	RandiFan1290	Aug 2018	#100
I'll miss him.	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#104
But Bernie Sanders was on Fox.	betsuni	Aug 2018	#109
He will be unflagged by the end of the day	Autumn	Aug 2018	#116
And then he'll be here complaining about the injustice of it all...	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#118
And AOC. She was off on a couple of things. What Democrats hasn't?	Autumn	Aug 2018	#119
Indeed, what Democrat hasn't?	TiberiusB	Aug 2018	#124
What does..	disillusioned73	Aug 2018	#127
Jury driven. A poster is Flagged for Review automatically after 5 hides.	Autumn	Aug 2018	#128
Thanks	disillusioned73	Aug 2018	#131
Jury driven after 5 hides.	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#129
Thanks	disillusioned73	Aug 2018	#132
3 in this thread it appears.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#142
And I think I prefer it that way. I'll take "people's justice" over "king's justice" any day.	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#150
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#153
why are you campaigning against her?	bigtree	Aug 2018	#102
Here they are again?	pwb	Aug 2018	#105
The article didn't bash her like you did	berni_mccoy	Aug 2018	#103
I lulz'd	KG	Aug 2018	#106
BYE.	SixString	Aug 2018	#108
Washington Post...	disillusioned73	Aug 2018	#115
DU rec!! Lol.	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#120
Oh my	melman	Aug 2018	#122
There is some nit picking going on here and Corporate Dems seem reluctant to accept AOC.	theophilus	Aug 2018	#123
Just Remember its hers to lose.....	Historic NY	Aug 2018	#126
Fact checking is a good thing and here the facts do not back AOC's claims	Gothmog	Aug 2018	#135
She's basically using RW talking points to bash the ACA.	ucrdem	Aug 2018	#143
Golly! Why ever would the world's richest man	Nevernose	Aug 2018	#160
Kick. Because I love this thread.	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#162
...	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#165
...	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#167
That is so mean.	redgreenandblue	Aug 2018	#168
I'm a meanie.	Hassin Bin Sober	Aug 2018	#171
That's the entire point. Her job is to move the Overton window	Recursion	Aug 2018	#166
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:41 PM

SHRED (28,136 posts)

1. Ouch

That's gonna leave a mark.

If you believe facts that is.

WAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz"

1. Ouch

2. This is blown WAY out of proportion

10. Other Dems don't get this kind of exposure

11. Sure they do. Dems in leadership absolutely do. And there is a reason they are in leadership.

15. No. There is correct, and there is nitpicking.

17. Nitpicking? She is wrong, and easily demonstrated to be wrong. She is going to be in congress and is

21. She is right on big picture issues

23. Crucifixion not required for jaywalking

24. Elected officials do two things, vote on bills and public speaking on the issues. Neither is

59. Hear, hear.

136. I think a Dem wouldn't torpedo a rising spokesperson.

137. I agree.

141. Spokesperson for whom?

147. Yes but whose? Bashing the ACA on CNN is not a core Democratic value

148. I'm guessing you refer to her promotion of Medicare For All as bashing the ACA.

152. Correct, ACA was a beginning not an end all.

64. Bingo! nt

97. Dead on!

113. Well argued, EndGOPPropaganda! Thank you.

138. Thank you

144. +1

58. OK. So you don't like her. We got it.

63. This "fact checking" seems familiar...

172. Yup the fact checkers were wrong and Mercatus exposed

30. She should have the discretion to decline

101. + 1000

107. Bingo, Effie.

159. So you think the little lady should stay home & know her place

161. Are you serious?

158. I bet her district loves seeing her out there - proud of their own

42. Nate Silver? The guy who is routinely dissed on DU?

57. Yup. Even without Nate Silver/Matt Yglesias

3. At least she talks a good game.

7. That would imply people believes the incorrect facts she is spewing. I don't think anyone does.

12. What? That claim was widely covered.

13. She is making policy for the country. She should know better than to trust a third rate publication.

16. Well said stevenleser.

18. This attitude is defeatist.

19. Bullshit, we don't need people who don't know the facts to be speaking for us. THAT is defeatist

32. Anyone who parades around with non-democrats

43. Thin skin won't cut it in Washington, DC

29. actually they don't say it is a good thing

60. What circles you in? Probably not the one(s)

139. +1 Two jobs to make ends meet is hardly unknown

149. "not knowing anyone who works two jobs" is almost a perfect illustration...

154. I know them too. Nm

151. Wow! These kinds of misrepresentations can really backfire. She grew up in privilege.

155. This is a rightwing talking point

163. What you said is a rightwing talking point

157. And LOL, your link is to her comment about Boston

164. No. Her mom scrubbed toilets

169. It's not a "right wing talking point", nor was it debunked.

173. For posterity: AOC was right, and fact checkers were wrong

9. And I think that is saying it about as nice as you can.

5. When holding feet to the fire is on the other foot.

28. Yes, the double standard is glaring.

31. Yes.

33. We had a Firewall

34. Yea, we did.

37. I knooow.. we were such a

39. YES! We were.

79. I wonder why her feet are not held to the fire?

96. This times 1000

8. K&R !

14. This is Exactly why

20. One Hopes

25. Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate nt

27. All hope abandon, ye who enter,

54. Once upon a time, two well known individuals were elected to the senate

61. Nah, populist lies get swept under the rug.

26. ""In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is..

84. That study did show savings overall for Medicare for All ...

98. The savings may also be a lie

121. Point is many on our side have pointed out that the language in teh study suggests

133. Did you actually read the study?

145. That article is a fluff piece. It doesn't mention any of the issues brought up by the paper.

35. I have an elegant solution.

45. Yes. She bashed Tammy Duckworth for pointing out that she doesn't speak for the midwest.....

62. Tammy Duckworth knows damn well about constituants with her 2006 loss.