Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Delay in Manafort trial...is it possible (Original Post) Raven Aug 2018 OP
Wow RandySF Aug 2018 #1
I can think of nothing else. dchill Aug 2018 #2
Smelling like a Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #3
Hmmm, so maybe a motion for a mistrial based on what Raven Aug 2018 #5
This might be why things ran off the rails Friday. Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #7
If there is a mistrial, does that mean they re-try him? Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #14
delay can be several things from witnesses ill to a juror tampering to a plea deal beachbum bob Aug 2018 #4
Surely communication between PM and WH is zero for fear of Mueller's oasis Aug 2018 #6
Prosecution has rested its case. JayhawkSD Aug 2018 #8
I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion and not caring. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2018 #9
Wtf!? Solomon Aug 2018 #10
Maybe if Manafort was on trial for jaywalking and/or unpaid parking tickets Hawaii Hiker Aug 2018 #12
+1. Definitely "arising from the investigation": dalton99a Aug 2018 #16
See my post #20 nt JayhawkSD Aug 2018 #21
And plenty are not even charged for far, far worse. JayhawkSD Aug 2018 #20
So what did Paul Manafort do with all the money he borrowed? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #17
What delay? manor321 Aug 2018 #11
It's delayed to hear arguments over a motion to dismiss. berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #13
Don't find it suprising at all. Ellis has a reputation for never getting overturned on appeals... haele Aug 2018 #18
But the judge may be trying to avert an appeal on the basis that he did not hear the motion. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #19
Source? triron Aug 2018 #15
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. This might be why things ran off the rails Friday.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:30 AM
Aug 2018

Remember,we are dealing with Mob Scum Bags here.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
4. delay can be several things from witnesses ill to a juror tampering to a plea deal
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:27 AM
Aug 2018

With the govt case, Manafort is going to be convicted on many of the charges for sure. Trump can pardon after sentencing but that really places the gOP in a way bad position for the upcoming election for sure

oasis

(49,328 posts)
6. Surely communication between PM and WH is zero for fear of Mueller's
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:30 AM
Aug 2018

tentacles. No attorney would risk their career to save Trump or Manafort in a lost cause.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. Prosecution has rested its case.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:40 AM
Aug 2018

At this point the defense can, and often does, file motion for summary dismissal by the judge, alleging that the prosecution has not presented sufficient evidence for the jury to properly return a finding of guilty. The defense must look at the evidence presented for every element of every charge during the prosecution's case. If evidence is lacking for one element of a charge, then the entire charge is thrown out.

Given that the indictment is 37 pages in length, the defense needs quite a bit of time to accomplish this and frame its request to the judge.

I know everyone here has found Manafort guilty of all charges without having to attend the actual trial. He may be. I don't know and don't care, since none of the charges are in any way even remotely related to the scope of the investigation, which is Russian interference and the Trump campaign's participation therein. I regard this whole issue as prosecutorial overreach and a travesty.

Hawaii Hiker

(3,165 posts)
12. Maybe if Manafort was on trial for jaywalking and/or unpaid parking tickets
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:55 AM
Aug 2018

it would be "prosecutorial overreach", but he's being charged with SERIOUS crimes, and deserves to be on trial for it.....

Plenty of people are in prisons for having done FAR less...

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
20. And plenty are not even charged for far, far worse.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:18 AM
Aug 2018

Like all of the perps in 2008, who walked away wealthy.

If he was being tried by a different prosecutor and under different circumstances I would be cheering his downfall. But Mueller was charged with investigating and charging the participation of Russian interference and Trump campaign participation. That "all other matters related to and arising out of" was fluff, designed to permit the creation of leverage. This whole trial wrapped in the mantle of this "special investigation" is a sham, and is being help only because Manafort called Mueller's bluff and Mueller decided to play bad ass.

This trial, in these circumstances, is purely political grandstanding.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. So what did Paul Manafort do with all the money he borrowed?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:06 AM
Aug 2018

Is that just a personal loan matter, or was there more to it?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
13. It's delayed to hear arguments over a motion to dismiss.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:55 AM
Aug 2018

The fact that the judge didn't kill the motion outright is disturbing. These motions are common when the defense has no argument and the motions are rarely entertained.

haele

(12,640 posts)
18. Don't find it suprising at all. Ellis has a reputation for never getting overturned on appeals...
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:07 AM
Aug 2018

Which is a good indicator that he always harasses and casts doubts on the prosecution with the cases brought before him.
I don't know how he acts if it's a right wing hit job prosecution against a known liberal defendant, though. How would he have acted and ruled in the Martha Stewart case?

Haele

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
19. But the judge may be trying to avert an appeal on the basis that he did not hear the motion.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:08 AM
Aug 2018

I'm not familiar with criminal procedure on this level. Is my hypothesis possible? I know that judges hate remands on appeal or losing appeals.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Delay in Manafort trial.....