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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders on MSNBC up NOW 8:30 est
Interview by Al Velshi subbing for Chris Hayes
blue cat
(2,415 posts)I could only take a few minutes of him before I had to change it.
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)wryter2000
(46,016 posts)Why?
I am so sick of people asking him what's wrong with the Democratic party.
monmouth4
(9,664 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is running on the Democratic ticket. He will most likely turn down the nomination.
Cha
(295,929 posts)and run as an indie so no Dem can run against him.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Both Sanders and the Democratic Party in Vermont prefer it this way, and I think by now, you can figure out why that might be. Or you can just keep ignoring it so that you can keep your narrative in tact, but that's just oh so sad when those of us at DU hold onto something so easily refutable just because it suits their agenda and taste.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)He will turn it down, no?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)where it is safer for our progressive interests. That's why he does it. Its a win for those of us who don't want republicans to win because of a split vote.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)because it suits their agenda and taste."
JCanete
(5,272 posts)betsuni
(25,138 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Vermont?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)to run against a popular independent without risking a republican winning the Ge.
Cha
(295,929 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)spending energy refuting your flawed characterization of the practice. Hopefully we don't have to do this again, on the same damn topic.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and the party is a DISTANT second...
This is a really sweet hustle if you can get it -- Take all the credit for Dem successes and disown any responsibility for failures...
I'll still never know why the party handed him so much free influence on a platter
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Rustynaerduwell
(646 posts)for President as a Democrat in 2020. What the hell happens if he runs as an independent? Velshi didn't ask. If Trump lasts his entire term...
Lucky Luciano
(11,242 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)What are his plans? I couldn't say
still_one
(91,965 posts)made it clear in 2016 that running as an independent would be an automatic win for republicans, and I do not see that view changing, and know that he is savey enough to know that an independent run would lose
Sparkly
(24,141 posts)still_one
(91,965 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)We shouldn't want him to run as an independent.
still_one
(91,965 posts)becoming a Democrat for his political ambitions, it is very doubtful he will get the Democratic nomination.
and if you want to know something, I don't care if he runs as an independent, or if people are stupid enough to vote for an independent over the Democratic nominee. Those that did that in 2016 already contributed to where we are today, and that includes losing two SC nominees, and the rolling back of everything President Obama has accomplished.
If they are that f**king imature, then there is no reasoning with them.
Me.
(35,454 posts)talk about chutzpah
Cha
(295,929 posts)I don't see anyone even doing that.
Aloha, Me
Me.
(35,454 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)as for the bonus
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)that 89% of "establishment Democrats" have won in 2018 primary elections. Bernie sticks with his "Democrats must reform" message.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"Establishment" as an epithet needs to fucking die anyway... All it means now is "Those guys over there and not me!"
oasis
(49,152 posts)make a clear statement on that.
Me.
(35,454 posts)then you betcha, though that feels very CONish to Me.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)betsuni
(25,138 posts)A politician in politics for decades is establishment.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Can you or can you not be an outsider even if you have gained purchase into that world? I don't really care if you want to call it insider or click, or establishment...that's semantics that you apparently want to be hung up on, but there IS an establishment way of doing things. There is a way politics have been done and the financing of those politics, and there is a consensus among most of leadership, because they are there by virtue of the status-quo in place, that the system should be defended rather than uprooted.
That is generally what's meant by "establishment," and aside from these kinds of games, I'm pretty sure this is how most people understand the meaning.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)financing of those politics...consensus among most of leadership...status quo...the system...these kind of games.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)betsuni
(25,138 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)All words used to slander Democrats.
Cha
(295,929 posts)the mirror.
Love that Gretchen Whitmer, Sharice Davids, and Lacy Clay beat his OR candidates.
Link to tweet
oasis
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)I'm sure reporters would have liked to get his analysis.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)was just tired. I don't believe Democrats have anything to worry about.
He's gotta know Democrats have to win the House in 2018 or is game over for America. He's got to measure his remarks and not be too hard on Democrats the closer we get to November. Not many of the Democratic winners will feel obligated to Bernie, so that's another good thing.
That said, Cha, we should count our blessings while we can.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Yes, count our blessings.. be grateful of the positive happenings with our Democracy... like Sharice Davids, Gretchen Whitmer, and Lacy Clay Winning their Primaries!
oasis
(49,152 posts)Democrats and Republicans involved in 2018 elections. No distractions and trying to pump up squabbles within the Democratic Party.
Cha
(295,929 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)wake up and interview those who have the most influence.
Mahalo for the information.
Cha
(295,929 posts)pre-election scenario to manufacture and manipulate.
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)questions from a sheet.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)Velshi doesn't bow down to anyone !
George II
(67,782 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)who employed every dirty trick in the book. This is not the time to experiment with anybody's romanticized notion of "reform".
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)[link:|]
oasis
(49,152 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)And if you bet on black on a roulette table you're far more likely to win than betting on green. But supporting candidates isn't about playing the odds now is it? Its not about your win percentage.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)for the movement. ts been rather obvious. Luckily wins are happening despite the sabotage.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)the distinction and so can you!
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Democrats against each other, and by their own words, the revolution types care mostly about making headway into outing the kinds of Democrats they don't like, wins not being a huge barometer of their success. We know all that already. There have been recent interviews after high profile primary losses that reiterate that.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)heated primary lost us the GE. That's all fantastical speculation. Do you even have a single piece of evidence to point to?
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)you with plenty of evidence, plenty of links. Even though you've indicated you watch the type of "progressive" shows like that Cenk Uyger ex-Republican which like to concentrate on blaming Democrats for everything, there is plenty of info/proof. We know from the Mueller indictments that the GE was attacked to keep the attacks on Democrats going. Remember?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)hurt Clinton by virtue of primaries. The facts are Sanders supporters came out for Clinton in the same numbers the Clinton supporters came out for Obama...so Sanders presence and prosecution to the convention doesn't seem to have any negative effect on the GE.
And wouldn't you know it, Cenk and Ana also advocated voting for Clinton over Trump just like their Sanders supporting viewers clearly did if you bother to look at the numbers.
I"m not going to respond to this back and forth unless you bring some actual evidence you can point to That Sanders being in the race, or that TYT actually helped to get Trump elected. Neither had anything at all positive to say about Trump and DID bash him at every turn, judiciously.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)of that and you will see the attacks on our election. Trump, Bernie and Stein were helped by the Russians. Those are established facts.
My comment was about the Revolution losses piling up and the verbally stated goals about transformation of my party. Read what the above individuals and groups say about actually winning elections. Your distraction doesnt change what they said, lol.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)$$$$$ & wins... the order is interchangeable w/ those 2 - Ideals, positions & policy are in the far, far distance.. and it's why the Democratic party has lost control at every level in this country...
I'll stick w/ policy & candidates like this..
Link to tweet
Cha
(295,929 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)this list?
Cha
(295,929 posts)SkyDancer
(561 posts)It's always the same handful of people working the anti-Bernie talking points. God forbid someone fights for the poor, the elderly, the sick and the most marginalized in society, God awful.
All this sort of stuff is doing is dividing us. People can say whatever they want about Bernie Sanders but in the end, Bernie stands with Democrats and his voting record proves it, more than most and that is what matters.
"BERNIE SANDERS!!!!1111"
betsuni
(25,138 posts)I'm curious what "Right Wing Twitter" has to say about it, can you tell us? Do you laugh about that?
SkyDancer
(561 posts)Maybe you can go ask them https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211003509
betsuni
(25,138 posts)Duh.
SkyDancer
(561 posts)I'm more in the "know" about things than you are Appreciated!
betsuni
(25,138 posts)How you plan on defeating Republicans when you don't know anything about them?
Have at it.
Come unarmed to a battle, expect a slaughter.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)Let's end this shall we?
Republicans are our enemies.
Bernie Sanders is not.
betsuni
(25,138 posts)Sigh. Republicans are our enemy. Good to see you admit it!
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)terms of maligning Democrats needs to stop. Its easy to recognize.