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Bernie Sanders on MSNBC up NOW 8:30 est (Original Post) oasis Aug 2018 OP
Bernie the independent blue cat Aug 2018 #1
i did same thing as you did. turned to CNN trueblue2007 Aug 2018 #28
I screamed at the TV wryter2000 Aug 2018 #78
He also won his election...n/t monmouth4 Aug 2018 #2
I think his primary is today. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #5
Yes, on the Democratic ticket which he will turn down Cha Aug 2018 #20
Cha, why do you keep repeating this? It makes no sense. A democrat runs against him in the primary. JCanete Aug 2018 #46
Why does it bother you when it's repeated? blue cat Aug 2018 #52
the lie is that this is to prevent democrats from running agains thim. They can in the primary JCanete Aug 2018 #54
"but that's just oh so sad when those of us at DU hold onto something so easily refutable just betsuni Aug 2018 #53
what you got? I have a feeling just emogies. JCanete Aug 2018 #55
I have facts. betsuni Aug 2018 #56
well so long as you keep them to yourself I guess you can't be embarassed by them. nt JCanete Aug 2018 #58
... betsuni Aug 2018 #59
So BS is Switching to a Dem for 5 minutes to keep a repub from winning in Cha Aug 2018 #88
I believe that is the case Cha yes, thank you for acknowledging it. This gives dems an opporutinty JCanete Aug 2018 #91
So big of BS Not to want to split the vote for himself. Cha Aug 2018 #92
uh...okay. My point isn't to try to make him a hero because of this. I'm unfortunately JCanete Aug 2018 #95
Once again, Bernie reminds us that it all has to be about him Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #3
. Sparkly Aug 2018 #6
+++ sheshe2 Aug 2018 #31
+1000! nt R B Garr Aug 2018 #44
Just turned the TV on, but I think he just said he wouldn't accept the nomination Rustynaerduwell Aug 2018 #4
Maybe he isn't running while pushing 80? nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2018 #7
I consider not accepting Dem nom as "Breaking News". oasis Aug 2018 #10
If he said that, that means he is saying he won't run in 2020, and the reason I say that because he still_one Aug 2018 #11
Oh, the irony... Sparkly Aug 2018 #13
no doubt still_one Aug 2018 #16
Maybe all the love from the Democratic Party has changed his mind. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2018 #39
If he runs as an independent he knows he will lose, and if he tries the same thing he did in 2016, still_one Aug 2018 #41
Who Says It Would Be Offered To Him Me. Aug 2018 #12
That was my reaction.. Cha Aug 2018 #17
Aloha pehea ʻoe Cha Me. Aug 2018 #25
I'm good, Me.. you Good? Bonus.. Cha Aug 2018 #34
kaʻu mea e hana maikai Cha, Thank You Me. Aug 2018 #37
Exactly still_one Aug 2018 #42
That's not what he said. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #19
So apparently he's only leaving open the possibility of running as a spoiler. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #40
Bernie bristled when Velshi reported Nate Silvers' tweet oasis Aug 2018 #8
Why is he offended? By every definition, Bernie is as 'establishment' as it gets Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #9
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #14
The good news is he won't accept the Democratic nomination. Need oasis Aug 2018 #15
If That Means Rigging Primaries To Win Me. Aug 2018 #24
hehe what? By every definition you say? I guess by every definition you yourself concoct. JCanete Aug 2018 #48
What does THAT mean? betsuni Aug 2018 #51
becuase that's how you've personally decided to define it. That's pretty weak too. JCanete Aug 2018 #57
personally...weak...gained purchase into that world...establishment...hung up on... betsuni Aug 2018 #60
okay...have fun. Feel free to have the last emogie. nt JCanete Aug 2018 #61
Thank you ever so! betsuni Aug 2018 #63
"establishment" "neoliberal" "corporate" "big money" joshcryer Aug 2018 #50
BS needs to look in Cha Aug 2018 #18
I wonder why BS wasn't on TV last week? lapucelle Aug 2018 #21
Ha! Good question, lapucelle.. maybe Cha Aug 2018 #23
BS isn't faring so well.. Cha Aug 2018 #45
Bernie looked uncomfortable throughout the interview. Maybe he oasis Aug 2018 #26
I just read this on a twitter feed.. did you hear that? Cha Aug 2018 #27
Looking good for Dems in November. MSM should only interview oasis Aug 2018 #32
How candidates endorsed by selected people and groups have fared in 2018.. Cha Aug 2018 #35
Biden seems to have the Midas Touch. Hopefully MSM will oasis Aug 2018 #38
I have no hope for M$$$$M.. they have a Cha Aug 2018 #43
He would have been on his guard, Ali Velshi is a really intelligent interviewer, not just asking OnDoutside Aug 2018 #49
Velshi doesn't worship Bernie unlike Chris Hayes. comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #79
+1 OnDoutside Aug 2018 #80
I've been a Democrat since the early 1970s, it's just fine to me! George II Aug 2018 #22
Democrats worked hard for decades against powerful GOP foes oasis Aug 2018 #30
I was hoping he was on to announce this: Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #29
Warren si. Bernie no. nt oasis Aug 2018 #33
NO. Cha Aug 2018 #36
silly list, or rather, silly use of it. JCanete Aug 2018 #47
Thanks for admitting that wins aren't important R B Garr Aug 2018 #75
Garr, that's also silly. There's the primary and then there's the GE. I'm quite capable of making JCanete Aug 2018 #82
We know what happened in the GE. We know that the GOP loves to pit R B Garr Aug 2018 #83
What we don't know, because you have no evidence to support the idea, is that having a JCanete Aug 2018 #84
You really need to read the Mueller indictments. That endeavor will provide R B Garr Aug 2018 #85
No I don't, you really need to point to me where the Mueller indictments prove that the primaries JCanete Aug 2018 #86
LOL, the Mueller indictment, current news, pick any R B Garr Aug 2018 #87
These folks only care about 2 things... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #76
"silly list, or rather, silly use of it." Look in the mirror Before Cha Aug 2018 #89
Okay. Made a silly face....looked silly. Back on topic, what point are you trying to make with JCanete Aug 2018 #93
Check your mirror. Cha Aug 2018 #94
Sorry but I have to laugh SkyDancer Aug 2018 #62
... LexVegas Aug 2018 #64
Awww SkyDancer Aug 2018 #65
Democrats have been working for the poor, the elderly, the sick and most marginalized in society. betsuni Aug 2018 #66
I don't know SkyDancer Aug 2018 #67
You seem to know them better than I do. betsuni Aug 2018 #68
Thanks for admitting SkyDancer Aug 2018 #69
Yes, you're obviously more "in the know" about "Right Wing Twitter"! betsuni Aug 2018 #70
Tell us SkyDancer Aug 2018 #71
How do you know I don't know anything about Republicans? betsuni Aug 2018 #72
Sigh SkyDancer Aug 2018 #73
Stop dancing? betsuni Aug 2018 #74
Check again. Anything that contributes to the GOP in R B Garr Aug 2018 #81
Tell that to BS Cha Aug 2018 #90
Truth. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #77

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
78. I screamed at the TV
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:15 AM
Aug 2018

Why?

I am so sick of people asking him what's wrong with the Democratic party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. I think his primary is today.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:43 PM
Aug 2018

He is running on the Democratic ticket. He will most likely turn down the nomination.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
20. Yes, on the Democratic ticket which he will turn down
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 09:23 PM
Aug 2018

and run as an indie so no Dem can run against him.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
46. Cha, why do you keep repeating this? It makes no sense. A democrat runs against him in the primary.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:14 AM
Aug 2018

Both Sanders and the Democratic Party in Vermont prefer it this way, and I think by now, you can figure out why that might be. Or you can just keep ignoring it so that you can keep your narrative in tact, but that's just oh so sad when those of us at DU hold onto something so easily refutable just because it suits their agenda and taste.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
54. the lie is that this is to prevent democrats from running agains thim. They can in the primary
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:29 AM
Aug 2018

where it is safer for our progressive interests. That's why he does it. Its a win for those of us who don't want republicans to win because of a split vote.

betsuni

(25,138 posts)
53. "but that's just oh so sad when those of us at DU hold onto something so easily refutable just
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:15 AM
Aug 2018

because it suits their agenda and taste."

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
91. I believe that is the case Cha yes, thank you for acknowledging it. This gives dems an opporutinty
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:23 PM
Aug 2018

to run against a popular independent without risking a republican winning the Ge.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
95. uh...okay. My point isn't to try to make him a hero because of this. I'm unfortunately
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:27 PM
Aug 2018

spending energy refuting your flawed characterization of the practice. Hopefully we don't have to do this again, on the same damn topic.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. Once again, Bernie reminds us that it all has to be about him
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:41 PM
Aug 2018

and the party is a DISTANT second...

This is a really sweet hustle if you can get it -- Take all the credit for Dem successes and disown any responsibility for failures...

I'll still never know why the party handed him so much free influence on a platter

Rustynaerduwell

(646 posts)
4. Just turned the TV on, but I think he just said he wouldn't accept the nomination
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:42 PM
Aug 2018

for President as a Democrat in 2020. What the hell happens if he runs as an independent? Velshi didn't ask. If Trump lasts his entire term...

still_one

(91,965 posts)
11. If he said that, that means he is saying he won't run in 2020, and the reason I say that because he
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

made it clear in 2016 that running as an independent would be an automatic win for republicans, and I do not see that view changing, and know that he is savey enough to know that an independent run would lose


Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
39. Maybe all the love from the Democratic Party has changed his mind.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:16 PM
Aug 2018

We shouldn't want him to run as an independent.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
41. If he runs as an independent he knows he will lose, and if he tries the same thing he did in 2016,
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:49 PM
Aug 2018

becoming a Democrat for his political ambitions, it is very doubtful he will get the Democratic nomination.

and if you want to know something, I don't care if he runs as an independent, or if people are stupid enough to vote for an independent over the Democratic nominee. Those that did that in 2016 already contributed to where we are today, and that includes losing two SC nominees, and the rolling back of everything President Obama has accomplished.

If they are that f**king imature, then there is no reasoning with them.





oasis

(49,152 posts)
8. Bernie bristled when Velshi reported Nate Silvers' tweet
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:46 PM
Aug 2018

that 89% of "establishment Democrats" have won in 2018 primary elections. Bernie sticks with his "Democrats must reform" message.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. Why is he offended? By every definition, Bernie is as 'establishment' as it gets
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:50 PM
Aug 2018

"Establishment" as an epithet needs to fucking die anyway... All it means now is "Those guys over there and not me!"

oasis

(49,152 posts)
15. The good news is he won't accept the Democratic nomination. Need
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:58 PM
Aug 2018

make a clear statement on that.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
57. becuase that's how you've personally decided to define it. That's pretty weak too.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:42 AM
Aug 2018

Can you or can you not be an outsider even if you have gained purchase into that world? I don't really care if you want to call it insider or click, or establishment...that's semantics that you apparently want to be hung up on, but there IS an establishment way of doing things. There is a way politics have been done and the financing of those politics, and there is a consensus among most of leadership, because they are there by virtue of the status-quo in place, that the system should be defended rather than uprooted.

That is generally what's meant by "establishment," and aside from these kinds of games, I'm pretty sure this is how most people understand the meaning.

betsuni

(25,138 posts)
60. personally...weak...gained purchase into that world...establishment...hung up on...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:53 AM
Aug 2018

financing of those politics...consensus among most of leadership...status quo...the system...these kind of games.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
18. BS needs to look in
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 09:12 PM
Aug 2018

the mirror.

Love that Gretchen Whitmer, Sharice Davids, and Lacy Clay beat his OR candidates.



oasis

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
21. I wonder why BS wasn't on TV last week?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:05 PM
Aug 2018

I'm sure reporters would have liked to get his analysis.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
26. Bernie looked uncomfortable throughout the interview. Maybe he
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:24 PM
Aug 2018

was just tired. I don't believe Democrats have anything to worry about.

He's gotta know Democrats have to win the House in 2018 or is game over for America. He's got to measure his remarks and not be too hard on Democrats the closer we get to November. Not many of the Democratic winners will feel obligated to Bernie, so that's another good thing.

That said, Cha, we should count our blessings while we can.


Cha

(295,929 posts)
27. I just read this on a twitter feed.. did you hear that?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:31 PM
Aug 2018
Bernie Sanders on MSNBC still lamenting how Democrats didn't pay enough attention to ignorant, racist white conservatives and their 'economic anxiety'

Yes, count our blessings.. be grateful of the positive happenings with our Democracy... like Sharice Davids, Gretchen Whitmer, and Lacy Clay Winning their Primaries!

oasis

(49,152 posts)
32. Looking good for Dems in November. MSM should only interview
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:49 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats and Republicans involved in 2018 elections. No distractions and trying to pump up squabbles within the Democratic Party.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
38. Biden seems to have the Midas Touch. Hopefully MSM will
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:15 PM
Aug 2018

wake up and interview those who have the most influence.

Mahalo for the information.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
43. I have no hope for M$$$$M.. they have a
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 11:53 PM
Aug 2018

pre-election scenario to manufacture and manipulate.

OnDoutside

(19,908 posts)
49. He would have been on his guard, Ali Velshi is a really intelligent interviewer, not just asking
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:22 AM
Aug 2018

questions from a sheet.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
30. Democrats worked hard for decades against powerful GOP foes
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:40 PM
Aug 2018

who employed every dirty trick in the book. This is not the time to experiment with anybody's romanticized notion of "reform".

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
47. silly list, or rather, silly use of it.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:17 AM
Aug 2018

And if you bet on black on a roulette table you're far more likely to win than betting on green. But supporting candidates isn't about playing the odds now is it? Its not about your win percentage.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
75. Thanks for admitting that wins aren't important
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:34 AM
Aug 2018

for the movement. t’s been rather obvious. Luckily wins are happening despite the sabotage.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
82. Garr, that's also silly. There's the primary and then there's the GE. I'm quite capable of making
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 01:44 PM
Aug 2018

the distinction and so can you!

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
83. We know what happened in the GE. We know that the GOP loves to pit
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 01:59 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats against each other, and by their own words, the revolution types care mostly about making headway into outing the kinds of Democrats they don't like, wins not being a huge barometer of their success. We know all that already. There have been recent interviews after high profile primary losses that reiterate that.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
84. What we don't know, because you have no evidence to support the idea, is that having a
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 02:01 PM
Aug 2018

heated primary lost us the GE. That's all fantastical speculation. Do you even have a single piece of evidence to point to?

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
85. You really need to read the Mueller indictments. That endeavor will provide
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 02:08 PM
Aug 2018

you with plenty of evidence, plenty of links. Even though you've indicated you watch the type of "progressive" shows like that Cenk Uyger ex-Republican which like to concentrate on blaming Democrats for everything, there is plenty of info/proof. We know from the Mueller indictments that the GE was attacked to keep the attacks on Democrats going. Remember?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
86. No I don't, you really need to point to me where the Mueller indictments prove that the primaries
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 02:18 PM
Aug 2018

hurt Clinton by virtue of primaries. The facts are Sanders supporters came out for Clinton in the same numbers the Clinton supporters came out for Obama...so Sanders presence and prosecution to the convention doesn't seem to have any negative effect on the GE.

And wouldn't you know it, Cenk and Ana also advocated voting for Clinton over Trump just like their Sanders supporting viewers clearly did if you bother to look at the numbers.

I"m not going to respond to this back and forth unless you bring some actual evidence you can point to That Sanders being in the race, or that TYT actually helped to get Trump elected. Neither had anything at all positive to say about Trump and DID bash him at every turn, judiciously.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
87. LOL, the Mueller indictment, current news, pick any
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:08 PM
Aug 2018

of that and you will see the attacks on our election. Trump, Bernie and Stein were helped by the Russians. Those are established facts.

My comment was about the Revolution losses piling up and the verbally stated goals about “transformation” of my party. Read what the above individuals and groups say about actually winning elections. Your distraction doesn’t change what they said, lol.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
76. These folks only care about 2 things...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:55 AM
Aug 2018

$$$$$ & wins... the order is interchangeable w/ those 2 - Ideals, positions & policy are in the far, far distance.. and it's why the Democratic party has lost control at every level in this country...

I'll stick w/ policy & candidates like this..


Cha

(295,929 posts)
89. "silly list, or rather, silly use of it." Look in the mirror Before
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:16 PM
Aug 2018
you Accuse Anyone of "Silly".
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
93. Okay. Made a silly face....looked silly. Back on topic, what point are you trying to make with
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:24 PM
Aug 2018

this list?
 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
62. Sorry but I have to laugh
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:01 AM
Aug 2018

It's always the same handful of people working the anti-Bernie talking points. God forbid someone fights for the poor, the elderly, the sick and the most marginalized in society, God awful.

All this sort of stuff is doing is dividing us. People can say whatever they want about Bernie Sanders but in the end, Bernie stands with Democrats and his voting record proves it, more than most and that is what matters.

betsuni

(25,138 posts)
66. Democrats have been working for the poor, the elderly, the sick and most marginalized in society.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:46 AM
Aug 2018

I'm curious what "Right Wing Twitter" has to say about it, can you tell us? Do you laugh about that?

 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
71. Tell us
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:56 AM
Aug 2018

How you plan on defeating Republicans when you don't know anything about them?

Have at it.

Come unarmed to a battle, expect a slaughter.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
81. Check again. Anything that contributes to the GOP in
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:22 AM
Aug 2018

terms of maligning Democrats needs to stop. It’s easy to recognize.

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