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Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:56 AM Aug 2018

The Blue Wave Is Obscuring the Red Exodus

The number of GOP departures is record setting https://politicalwire.com/2018/08/19/the-blue-wave-is-obscuring-the-red-exodus/

The Cook Political Report‘s Dave Wasserman tells Axios that the most under-covered aspect of 2018 is that “a blue wave is obscuring a red exodus.”

“There are 43 Republican seats now without an incumbent on the ballot. That’s more than one out of every six Republicans in the House — a record in at least a century, Wasserman says.”

Said Wasserman: “There’s a bit of over-caution, perhaps, on the part of the punditocracy, after what happened in 2016. But if anything most media could be under-rating Democrats’ potential to gain a lot of seats. They could be caught being cautious in the wrong direction.”
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The Blue Wave Is Obscuring the Red Exodus (Original Post) Gothmog Aug 2018 OP
Or Johnny2X2X Aug 2018 #1
Those 43 seats are already occupied by republicans, not deep blue districts. But the person.. George II Aug 2018 #5
But BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #10
I thought the last redistricting was several years ago... George II Aug 2018 #20
There was a lawsuit in PA caraher Aug 2018 #22
What caraher said... BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #23
The day of reckoning is coming dalton99a Aug 2018 #2
Yes - the Red Exodus NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #3
O'Connor is running again in November so may not be a loss yet AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #8
Again it is nice to have a vacant seat but this will not win the race with GOTV Gothmog Aug 2018 #17
agreed - it's all about GOTV now. NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #18
Political polling analyst claims the GOP exodus is a much larger story than potential Democratic tak Gothmog Aug 2018 #4
Sounds like sour grapes to me FakeNoose Aug 2018 #6
I'm okay with the M$M under reporting on this. I like to walk softly, but carry a big stick. Boom! iluvtennis Aug 2018 #7
Vote republicans into obscurity. I fear, however, it will take a crisis like Katrina or an epic Pepsidog Aug 2018 #9
We had worse than Katrina in PR this year. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #19
True Pepsidog Aug 2018 #21
Perhaps the difference in voter turn out in some of the recent elections isn't just measuring salin Aug 2018 #11
I assumed they were part of the same trend. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #12
"They could be caught being cautious in the wrong direction." Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #13
Well...let's not get overconfident. Everybody on here needs to vote, and certainly PatrickforO Aug 2018 #14
Having a vacant seat is helpful but not dispositive Gothmog Aug 2018 #16
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #15
Getting near to 4 dozen repug incumbent quitters. rec, thanks, Nt Mc Mike Aug 2018 #24
Just gotta say: Vote like the wave depends on YOU! Beartracks Aug 2018 #25
Without good candidates and GOTV, there will be no wave Gothmog Aug 2018 #26
In case it must be said... Beartracks Aug 2018 #27

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
1. Or
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:00 AM
Aug 2018

Reps aren't running in deep blue districts so the party can spend all of its resources where it needs them.

Either way, this is good for Dems in the long run.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Those 43 seats are already occupied by republicans, not deep blue districts. But the person..
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:17 AM
Aug 2018

...already in the seat isn't running for re-election.

BumRushDaShow

(128,458 posts)
10. But
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:27 PM
Aug 2018

a couple of those seats here in PA are in now-newly redrawn and (almost deep blue instead of lean red or swing) Districts.... and some of the "analysts" keep trying to look at how the particular district voted in the 2016 election and keeps hanging their hat on that outcome impacting this upcoming election where there was an exit... I.e., assuming that lightning will strike twice in those spots despite the fact that a bunch of these seats are actually getting challengers, and in some cases, strong ones.

I've seen that happening when they discuss PA. PA hadn't voted for an (R) President since 1988 yet this one time it did in 2016 means (to them) that the entire state has been upended and is now "red" despite the fact that the 2016 popular vote margin was by only 0.7% and registered Democrats still outnumber registered Republicans by about 800,000. That's how they missed a Conor Lamb.

And since our districts were completely redrawn this year, they pretty much made a decision to not even discuss what will most likely be a minimum 2-seat (D) pickup out of districts here in Philly metro, where the (R) decided not to run again.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. I thought the last redistricting was several years ago...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:14 PM
Aug 2018

Years before the current 2016 representatives were elected?

caraher

(6,278 posts)
22. There was a lawsuit in PA
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:55 AM
Aug 2018

As BumRushDaShow said, there are some newly-redrawn districts as a result.

It’s official: Pennsylvania will get a new US House of Representatives map for 2018, replacing an old map the state’s supreme court struck down as a Republican partisan gerrymander. A last-ditch effort from the state GOP to block the map failed Monday, as the US Supreme Court declined to intervene in the matter.

The new map is positively fantastic news for Democrats in their effort to take back the House this fall. “Democrats get everything they could want,” the New York Times’s Nate Cohn tweeted when he first saw the map. “With few exceptions it’s Democrats’ dream come true,” the Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman tweeted. “GOP not going to like this at all.”


from Vox

The map changed from this (“the gerrymander of the decade”)



to this

BumRushDaShow

(128,458 posts)
23. What caraher said...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 06:10 AM
Aug 2018

Last edited Tue Aug 21, 2018, 06:56 AM - Edit history (1)

There were lawsuits to redraw the STATE legislative seats back in 2012 and those were redrawn per court order (although they probably need to be challenged again IMHO).

BUT there were multiple lawsuits running simultaneously in 2017 - both through the federal courts and the state courts for the congressional seats. The federal court route was rejected by district court judges because it was a "state issue". The state court route, which argued that the current districts were in violation of the state Constitution by not being "compact and contiguous", was what finally prevailed. It was also what kept the SCOTUS from interfering when the GOP sued (rejected for review at least twice).

The state Supreme Court demanded that the state legislature immediately present a redrawn map and welcomed other parties to present recommendations for a map - by a deadline. The governor and various 3rd parties submitted a number of versions (based on data models that would comply with the size and compactness as well as demographics requirements per the VRA). The GOP leaders of the state legislature refused to bring it up before the body and only complied at the last minute just before a midnight deadline, where the GOP douchebag leaders submitted their own, never reviewed or approved by the legislature cockamamie map that pretty much preserved their majority. The state Supreme Court rejected all of the submissions and drew the map themselves, which is the one that we now have. The GOP sued through the federal courts whining about state court "overreach" and ALL of their suits were rejected up through the SCOTUS (because "state" issue).

The map went into effect near the end of February 2018 with enough time to be ready for the May 2018 primary. In the case of Conor Lamb, he won the special election in March for an old version of a district to fill out that district's term and won the primary in May for a newly-redrawn different (but adjacent) district for the general election.

Had we not had a (D) governor or majority (D) state Supreme Court, this would have never happened because the GOP spearheaded this insane gerrymandering in 2011 and were determined to keep it that way. Their response to the redrawn map was to threaten to impeach the (D) members of the state Supreme Court.

For a state that has a (D) majority of registered voters by ~800,000, the state congressional delegation SHOULD BE -

10 (D) and 8 (R)

instead of the current -

13 (R) and 5 (D)

Analysts expect the potential final outcome could be 9 (D) - 9 (R).

But as it stands right now, pre-general election, there is OBVIOUSLY something wrong and the "media" refuses to delve into this state's current state of affairs by ignoring the gerrymandering and assuming that we are some sort of "red" state. Showing large swaths of geography as "red" ignores that many of those large swaths have more moose than people. A bunch of years ago I had posted stuff about our county population where almost 1/2 of the 67 PA counties have less than 100,000 people in the entire county.



Edit to add - there were cartograms on (of all places) National Review as they were analyzing the possibility of Drumpf getting PA , which basically showed the truer skew of D + I from past elections (and population). E.g., 2008 -

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
3. Yes - the Red Exodus
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:03 AM
Aug 2018

is a big reason why Democrats do have a chance to win the House. Facing a several term incumbent who has been winning by 20 or 30 points every time out is a lot different than facing somebody new running for the same seat - look at Conor Lamb in PA.

And, while they were losses, O'Connor in Ohio and Ossof in Georgia were a lot closer than the previous Republican incumbent.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
18. agreed - it's all about GOTV now.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:50 PM
Aug 2018

but, it's nice to see a newcomer on the GOP side in a Trump+10 district when the former GOPer that resigned had been winning the seat by 25, 30 or 40 points on a regular basis before.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
6. Sounds like sour grapes to me
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:38 AM
Aug 2018

These old guys know how vulnerable they are, and they don't want to have their asses handed to them. So they are walking away and saying, "Oh well I didn't really want to run anyway. I guess I'm retiring - yeah, that's the ticket."




Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
9. Vote republicans into obscurity. I fear, however, it will take a crisis like Katrina or an epic
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:25 PM
Aug 2018

financial collapse to expose Trump as the fraud he is to his supporters. The ignorant and misinformed Trump base will be erecting Hooverville’s when the next economic collapse occurs. And the USA having surrendered its place as leader of the free world, the next recession/depression could expose our financial system as the house of cards/debts that it is. The only thing keeping the USA as the world leader are our institutions, mainly the courts which still retain some credibility. However, everyday Trump and the Republicans are in power, those institutions are eroding and being deligitimized. If things don’t change in November not only are we as a country in serious danger, but the entire world order is in danger. Think about it, the fact that Trump is talking with the traitor Erik Lrince about a private army to take over in Iraq and Afghanistan is scary as hell. Trump with a private army at his disposal, Trumpanzees better wake up and fast.

salin

(48,955 posts)
11. Perhaps the difference in voter turn out in some of the recent elections isn't just measuring
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:32 PM
Aug 2018

the difference in enthusiasm between likely dem voters and likely rep voters.... Maybe those number reflect some on-the-ground red exodus.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
12. I assumed they were part of the same trend.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:38 PM
Aug 2018

Republicans not seeking reelection because they either don't want to fight for their seat or they know they would lose because of Trump and superior Democratic candidates.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
13. "They could be caught being cautious in the wrong direction."
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

I'm okay with this: I would rather be pleasantly surprised than the alternative.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
14. Well...let's not get overconfident. Everybody on here needs to vote, and certainly
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:59 PM
Aug 2018

we all need to work together to get out the vote come November.

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
16. Having a vacant seat is helpful but not dispositive
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:09 PM
Aug 2018

My son lives Texas CD2 which is a vacant seat. Right now that race is lean GOP which is better than it would have been if the incumbent was running

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
25. Just gotta say: Vote like the wave depends on YOU!
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

Take nothing for granted. The blue wave will be made of millions and millions of drops.



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Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
27. In case it must be said...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:58 PM
Aug 2018

... I was speaking to the "you" that is anyone reading this thread, not just you specifically, gothmog.

I think most DUers are gonna vote regardless, but I do worry about the electorate at large. So many many people are just meh when it comes to joining their fellow Americans and making a difference together (otherwise known as voting).

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