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Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:15 PM

Ken Olin: Nothing can fix the injustice done....

At the end of the day, Ken Olin's tweet is so true. The damage and injustice done to so many, not the least of whom is Hillary Clinton.




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Reply Ken Olin: Nothing can fix the injustice done.... (Original post)
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 OP
Trueblue Texan Aug 2018 #1
bluestarone Aug 2018 #2
LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #3
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #4
canetoad Aug 2018 #28
AZ8theist Aug 2018 #9
lunamagica Aug 2018 #18
PuppyBismark Aug 2018 #25
SoCalDem Aug 2018 #5
peacebuzzard Aug 2018 #6
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #8
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #10
bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #11
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #12
lunamagica Aug 2018 #13
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #14
lunamagica Aug 2018 #20
Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #24
sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #15
elmac Aug 2018 #16
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #17
elmac Aug 2018 #19
Cha Aug 2018 #21
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #22
Cha Aug 2018 #23
honest.abe Aug 2018 #26
Dawson Leery Aug 2018 #27
Post removed Aug 2018 #29
lunamagica Aug 2018 #30
Hekate Aug 2018 #31
whopis01 Aug 2018 #32
oasis Aug 2018 #33
wundermaus Aug 2018 #34
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #35
wundermaus Aug 2018 #36
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #37
wundermaus Aug 2018 #38
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #39

Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:18 PM

1. Amen, Brother!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:21 PM

2. So very true

There is just NO GOOD ANSWER to this BULLSHIT!!! I truly see why i hate republicons!! WOW this country will never be the same!!!!!!!!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:22 PM

3. Why Doesn't She Speak Out?

 

It's obvious that the collusion with Russia is very likely the reason she lost the election. IT WAS STOLEN FROM HER.

Democrats always stay silent and take the high road. If the situation had been reversed, does anyone honestly believe Drumpf and the repubs would not be spending 24/7 ranting and raving?

She should be out there telling the public what many of us already know....it took interference from Russia to steal the Presidency.

Our Republic is dying, and nobody on our side seems to care enough to raise some hell.

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Response to LandOfHopeAndDreams (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:25 PM

4. I think her position, being one of the candidates, makes it treacherous.

It'll take the focus off the real issue: Trump's corruption and involvement in conspiring w/the Russians to rig the election.

Second, I think it's not wise for her to speak out during the investigation. Better to wait until the report is in, and we know what's what. She is not an official Democratic Party leader.

I think she's smart to wait. I have no doubt she'll speak out boldly, when the time is right.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:09 PM

28. Agree with you

Wait till Mueller presents his findings, then WHAM!

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Response to LandOfHopeAndDreams (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:34 PM

9. I disagree.

Tune in to Stephanie Millers show ANY DAY and you will hear the word TRAITOR used often.

Many people are raising hell, but the MSM is OWNED by Right Wing oligarchs. Therefore, our message is censored.

Just now, on the Chris Hays show, Jess McCintosh is saying the TRUMP presidency IS ILLEGITIMATE.

You can't make much more noise than that.

Hillary should do EXACTLY what she is doing right now......sit back and let the criminals in the Dump orbit hang themselves.

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Response to LandOfHopeAndDreams (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:11 PM

18. I think Democrats need to be screaming about this from rooftops, but Hillary is wise

to remain silent -at least for now.

If she spoke out, it would be seen as talking out of spite, being a sore loser, you name it.

It is better this way.

It is up to us to keep the issue alive.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:48 PM

25. Damn Straight

It is time for our party come alive and speak up! We seem to be afraid of our own shadow.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:30 PM

5. just as Gore should have been in 2k

unfortunately we dems have a long history of not fighting back (or preemptively)

bring a lawyer and a feather duster to a gunfight and you lose every time

Had we gotten Gore, there may not have been a WTC attack/Iraq war
There would have never been an Alito or Roberts on the SCOTUS

unfortunately hindsight is always 20/20

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:37 PM

6. The "hot planet" was avoidable then,

We face perhaps a point of no return to undo the damage to the atmosphere, and ultimately the life on this precious planet is facing extinction everywhere.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:39 PM

7. I totally agree. We Dems need to fight more...stand our ground, plunge ahead...

I include myself in that. My attitude has changed, though. No more Ms Nice Guy!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:22 PM

8. Injustice to children separated from their parents. That's super-sadistic. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:35 PM

10. Yes, that's a big one. IMO, those who supported T after that, lost their souls.

That's when they became "the others," to me. No longer capable of rational discussion on any subject. They were full stop Trump supporters, to the point where they sanctioned cruel and inhumane treatment to children and their parents. We had entered Germany 1938, as far I'm concerned.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:36 PM

11. Yes and think of the damage done to our political system, laws, environment, science, courts, etc

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:38 PM

12. Yes. So much damage. Much of it irreversible. Putin did a job on the country, w/T's help. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:38 PM

13. That's what hurts the most. Injustice will prevail. They got away with it

and will still have the office for at least two more years.

And all the feel good fantasies -which will probably will never come true- of seeing trump and his klan wearing orange, defeated and humiliated, noting will be worth the damage, the pain and suffering they have and will continue to cause.

Tris is a real American tragedy (an American tragedy with worldwide impact)

Everything would be so difference if Hillary was POTUS now. And she didn't lose, she was cheated CHEATED out of the presidency, and we are all paying the price

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:41 PM

14. I know. It gets to me. It gets to all of us. But if we take the House in November...

we can impeach him, maybe. Then if we have enough seats in the Senate, and some Repubs on board (the Repubs in the Senate have more of the establishment Repubs than the House), we might be able to get him out of office.

One step at a time. If he had the best interest of the country at heart he'd step down. But he'll never resign, unless there's a worse fate for him in staying.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:15 PM

20. But even if we got rid of him, the presidency will sill belong to the GOP

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:40 PM

24. Depends on how involved Pence is.

If they can tie any of this to him, he becomes just as toxic as trmp.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:51 PM

15. And Al Gore and/or John Kerry should have been our 43rd. President.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:54 PM

16. she had the presidency stolen from her

 

and we lost a great president.

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Response to elmac (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:57 PM

17. I wish there were something in the laws that allowed us to have another election....

after one is removed for a crime that resulted in him stealing the Presidency. Because if and when he is removed, it STILL remains in Republican hands, in the hands of Mr. Milktoast, Pence...a religious nut.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:11 PM

19. my thoughts exactly

 

what we have lost is lost for good.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:17 PM

21. Precisely, Ken Olin!!

Mahalo, Honeycombe

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:21 PM

22. Mahalo to you, too!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:22 PM

23. ..

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

26. Indeed.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

27. It's true.

Nothing can undo what has been done. The right must be kicked out of power for at least a generation.

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Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:42 AM

30. I don't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for us. Her platform was what America heeded to move

forward.

And whether you like it or not, she was the people's choice. She won in a LANDSLIDE, so her loss was OUR loss. Not having this nrilliant, prepared, compassionate hard-working woman leading the nation is OUR loss.

Too bad you are so blnded by hatred to see that.

Enjoy the trump years.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:56 AM

31. There's nothing like a RW smear to brighten up your day, is there? Bless your heart. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:18 AM

32. No - but electing a Dem as the 47th Pres in 2020 will help. n/t

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:32 AM

33. ImWithMadamePresident!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:37 PM

34. Agreed, but...

Swearing in Hillary Clinton as the legitimate president would be a welcome step toward justice.

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Response to wundermaus (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:44 PM

35. I am amazed we don't have a tool to declare an election false, and to do it over.

That's the only thing that comes close to correcting a stolen election.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #35)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:46 PM

36. It's about time we fix this...

Can you only image what sort of crisis we would have faced if Trump was competent?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-the-election-was-a-fraud-the-constitution-doesnt-say/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/could-there-ever-be-a-do-over-in-a-presidential-election.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-is-now-an-illegitimate-president/2018/08/22/d1c9271c-a613-11e8-97ce-cc9042272f07_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.18742026e830

My humble opinion on the remedy?
It's in the Declaration of Independence-

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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Response to wundermaus (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:17 PM

37. Robert Reich suggests annulment might be possible.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/2106665592679359


I hope the Dems take a look at this, if we take back Congress this November. That's a big IF, but possible. IF there is evidence that Trump's crimes resulted in his election, or if there's proof that Russia's activities resulted in his election.

I suspect that NO ONE in govt will admit it, even if it's true. Because they don't want the public not to have trust in the election system. Even if it can't be trusted. That includes some Democrats, too. Besides, it would be hard to prove. We would have to accept that the crimes are so egregious that is beyond a reasonable doubt that the illegal activities resulted in a false result.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 08:33 PM

38. Robert Reich is a national treasure...

Such a brilliant (and wise) servant of the people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich
We would all do well to take is counsel to heart.

Thank you for referring me to him.

"ANNULMENT OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

Suppose Robert Mueller comes up with overwhelming evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to become President, and that, were it not for Russia’s actions during the election, Trump would not have been elected. In other words, Trump’s presidency is not authorized under the United States Constitution.

Impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate would remove Trump from office. This would remedy Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

But impeachment would not remedy Trump’s unconstitutional presidency because it would leave in place his vice president, White House staff and Cabinet, as well as all the executive orders he issued and all the legislation he signed, and the official record of his presidency.

The only way to respond to an unconstitutional presidency is to annul it. Annulment would repeal all of an unconstitutional president’s appointments and executive actions, and would eliminate the official record of the presidency. Annulment would recognize that all such appointments, actions, and records were made without constitutional authority."

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Response to wundermaus (Reply #38)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:39 PM

39. The downside to that is that I saw references indicating that he was suggesting that in 2017!

He saw the writing on the wall and started thinking about solutions right away! Yes, he is a national treasure. We need people like that, who cut through all the bull and say things the politicians can't.

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