HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Would you accept Trump's ...

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:15 PM

Would you accept Trump's resignation in exchange for giving him and his immediate family pardons?

Blanket pardons. No more investigations. Trump gets on the helicopter and flies out of town forever. No hearings. No impeachment.

What would you say to that?

--On Update--

Would you be angry if the Dems take majority in the House and agree to no impeachment investigations in exchange for Trump's resignation?

96 replies, 3437 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 96 replies Author Time Post
Reply Would you accept Trump's resignation in exchange for giving him and his immediate family pardons? (Original post)
Yavin4 Aug 2018 OP
Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #1
Historic NY Aug 2018 #11
Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #90
Historic NY Aug 2018 #95
Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #96
pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #63
C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #2
dawg day Aug 2018 #3
woodsprite Aug 2018 #4
Doodley Aug 2018 #5
Yavin4 Aug 2018 #7
PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #47
exboyfil Aug 2018 #83
demsocialist Aug 2018 #6
Demovictory9 Aug 2018 #15
Anon-C Aug 2018 #8
HipChick Aug 2018 #9
flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #10
global1 Aug 2018 #12
we can do it Aug 2018 #71
global1 Aug 2018 #92
JI7 Aug 2018 #13
RainCaster Aug 2018 #14
struggle4progress Aug 2018 #16
Louis1895 Aug 2018 #55
Snackshack Aug 2018 #17
randr Aug 2018 #18
AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #19
musicblind Aug 2018 #20
dalton99a Aug 2018 #21
world wide wally Aug 2018 #22
flotsam Aug 2018 #23
lunasun Aug 2018 #24
fescuerescue Aug 2018 #25
lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #26
nevergiveup Aug 2018 #27
True Dough Aug 2018 #51
uponit7771 Aug 2018 #59
InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #28
Hoyt Aug 2018 #29
Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #30
Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #31
radical noodle Aug 2018 #32
Yavin4 Aug 2018 #36
radical noodle Aug 2018 #39
dchill Aug 2018 #33
sandensea Aug 2018 #34
stopbush Aug 2018 #35
MFM008 Aug 2018 #37
nmgaucho Aug 2018 #38
Kablooie Aug 2018 #40
SeattleVet Aug 2018 #41
True Dough Aug 2018 #52
OnDoutside Aug 2018 #42
OnDoutside Aug 2018 #43
DFW Aug 2018 #44
Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #45
tirebiter Aug 2018 #46
joet67 Aug 2018 #48
get the red out Aug 2018 #49
helpisontheway Aug 2018 #50
Ilsa Aug 2018 #53
2naSalit Aug 2018 #54
WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #56
anarch Aug 2018 #57
Saboburns Aug 2018 #58
uponit7771 Aug 2018 #60
Sanity Claws Aug 2018 #61
muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #62
VOX Aug 2018 #64
Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2018 #65
Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #66
phylny Aug 2018 #67
Vinca Aug 2018 #68
blueinredohio Aug 2018 #69
dameatball Aug 2018 #70
Raven Aug 2018 #72
bigbrother05 Aug 2018 #73
gibraltar72 Aug 2018 #74
sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #75
Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #76
beachbum bob Aug 2018 #77
vi5 Aug 2018 #78
samnsara Aug 2018 #79
shanny Aug 2018 #80
ghostsinthemachine Aug 2018 #81
JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #82
winetourdriver01 Aug 2018 #84
kentuck Aug 2018 #85
njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #86
treestar Aug 2018 #87
spanone Aug 2018 #88
workinclasszero Aug 2018 #89
sarcasmo Aug 2018 #91
Mad-in-Mo Aug 2018 #93
GemDigger Aug 2018 #94

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:17 PM

1. Not unless it involved Pence's resignation first,

an appointment of a suitable Democratic vice president, followed by Trump's resignation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

11. It leaves the present Speaker if Pence goes.

unless we take the house.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Historic NY (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

90. Umm...no

The line of succession only applies if both offices are vacant. That's why I specified Pence goes first, with a suitable appointment to VP. (In case that is not clear, once the VP office is vacant, Trump is permitted to fill it. Speaker of the house does not move into that slot.) Then when Trump resigns, that suitable appointment becomes president.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #90)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 11:39 AM

95. I don't see Pence resigning, his mother won't let him.

the whole Trump tower would really have to blow up. What did Pence know and when did he know it. He wasn't at the meeting. I think him getting picked for VP was an actual mistake between Trump and Manafort. Remember the confusion

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Historic NY (Reply #95)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:05 PM

96. The original scenario is not realistic either.

So I was answering the specific fantasy question asked: I'm only willing to accept that trade if it also includes the additional conditions I listed that would result in an acceptable person ultimately becoming president.

I'm not willing to merely trade a Trump resignation in exchange for pardons for his family, because that trade still leaves us with Pence. The additional conditions I imposed in this fantasy deal would ensure an acceptable president.

Your assertion that my scenario would give us the Speaker of the House as president is incorrect - that's all my second post addressed. Not whether either fantasy scenario had any chance of occurring.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:52 AM

63. has to ceed the white house to hillary & take gorsucks w/ him.

install merrick garland.

and all his obama reversals get deleted. just like the moron.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:18 PM

2. With exile to Russia, perhaps

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:19 PM

3. Nope.

He's on his way out anyway.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:19 PM

4. No, he's only one of the criminal cabal.

If you canít do the time, donít do the crime!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:20 PM

5. Pardons for what? He would need to be convicted first.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Doodley (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:21 PM

7. Nixon was pardoned without being convicted. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Doodley (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:48 AM

47. You don't have to convicted or even indicted/charged to be pardoned. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #47)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:03 AM

83. Which I wish would be changed

In the future.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:20 PM

6. No

I want the whole dirty story exposed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to demsocialist (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:37 PM

15. me too

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:22 PM

8. Resign. Pardon. Defect.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:25 PM

9. and also banned from Tweeting...ever..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:28 PM

10. Oh HELL no! We've got that fucker in the crosshairs. He's going DOWN baby!

After all the damage that asshole has done to the country and he world, he doesn't get to walk away with all his ill-gotten money. We need to make an example of him so this heinous fuckery NEVER happens again.

And we need to take down the complicit Republicans who ignored their constitutional duty to check the power of an obvious criminal and Russian asset.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

12. We Will Never Be Rid Of Trump....

Even when he leaves the presidency (resigns, impeached, serves out his term and not re-elected, etc) he will always want to be in the spotlight someway, somehow. He needs that attention and he will be in our face. Especially if somehow he gets pardoned. He will somehow turn any situation into a win.

I want to see him lose his company and his money along with his family (Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Eric's wife).



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to global1 (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:31 AM

71. We will be if he's in prison for life.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to we can do it (Reply #71)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

92. I'd Like To See That Happen But....

I don't think it will.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:32 PM

13. NOPE , that would be continuing the shit that is already going on and letting them get away with it

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:35 PM

14. Hell no! I want to see his nose rubbed in that big pile of shit

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:44 PM

16. Tuesday 6 November 2018

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to struggle4progress (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:18 AM

55. Love this!

It would be great to have this an anthem for the resist movement!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:48 PM

17. No.

republicans do not get to just walk away and disappear back into private life this time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:51 PM

18. No fucking way. He gives us a parade.

A perp walk out of our White House in leg irons is most fitting

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:52 PM

19. of course not; no consequences no lessons learned

A very public trial is mandatory to heal the nation and move forward.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:55 PM

20. As much as I hate to admit it, yes. I would.

While a pardon would appall me and impeachment investigations would bring me joy, all of that pales in comparison to the danger America as long as this man is President.

I truly believe we are at great risk, every day, of millions of people dying, because we have a mentally unstable man in the oval office.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 11:59 PM

21. NO. The truth must be known and consequences must be paid.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:07 AM

22. I want him politically paralyzed until we get a Dem in the WH and regain the House and Senate

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:08 AM

23. Anyone remember that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld

they were aides in the Nixon White House. This time we drive a stake thru the heart of every adult in this administration!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:09 AM

24. Out of the country along with Pence maybe ?

Of course mother gets to go along and after Jan 2019 with new house in congress then yes

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:16 AM

25. That might be the most likely scenario.

Trump pardons his entire family, plus a bunch of cronies.
Then resigns.
Then Pence pardons trump.

My acceptance on this point is irrelevant. It's not something I can stop.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:19 AM

26. Only if he waits until January AND Pence resigns at the same time

if the f'ing repukes cheat enough to keep the House... well, I'll risk that.

Otherwise it could be President Pelosi or even... President Clinton.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:19 AM

27. Yes,

but only if the Supreme Court vacancy is put on hold until 2020.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to nevergiveup (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 04:29 AM

51. That's a critical point

The Supreme Court pick will influence our lives for many years.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to nevergiveup (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:36 AM

59. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:21 AM

28. No, no, no, no, no!! That would be letting that prick off the hook WAY too easy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:26 AM

29. If that gets him out of office a month or two faster, yes.

There will always be at least one juror who will holdout and prevent a conviction of trump.

I despise him and his family, but he needs to be removed from office as quickly as possible.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:26 AM

30. NO a thousand times NO

This is how the conservative perfidy stays alive and breeding.

This going along to get along. This easy way out.

Look how many times it has happened since mid twentieth century!

And they just keep on, advancing toward THEIR long term goals while Democrats back off.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

Make an example. The Trumps have conspired with a foreign enemy to turn America into their personal casino. With ZERO deference to the Constitution, the American people and -- by extension -- even the welfare of other peoples and the Earth itself.

Seize all their assets. Restrict them from doing business. Indict all crimes. Imprison where appropriate and utilize federal parole under supervision of U.S. Marshals. MAKE AN EXAMPLE and shut down all their avenues of influence.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:29 AM

31. Look at the history of perfidy.

Start with Iran Contra.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:29 AM

32. It would depend on the circumstances

If trump were to resign, impeachment can't happen anyway. Then it's not up to Congress, it's up to the next president in that situation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to radical noodle (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:40 AM

36. The deal would be that he resigns in exchange there's no impeachment or hearings and he gets a

pardon.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:46 AM

39. It would not be my first choice

If there was a way to take away everything he owns and every penny he has, leaving him penniless and living on the streets, that would be justice. It would be way worse for him than prison.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:32 AM

33. No. Grant them free passage to Russia.

That's it. And the clothes on their backs. See, I'm compassionate!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:34 AM

34. Nah. We'd be left with Dense Pence - and that's no solution.

Pence is just as complict in Russiagate (through his brother Ed and through manafort) and even more extreme than King Con, and what's worse: he knows how to present himself, which makes him all that much more dangerous.

Like many a psychopath.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:35 AM

35. No way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:43 AM

37. No.

No pension no NOTHING.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:43 AM

38. Not after the crimes he's committed against the environment and wilderness areas

...the fucker needs to pay for his wanton destruction of the natural world and adding to climate change with his shitty policies

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:10 AM

40. They need to be removed from the public eye.

If he remains free he will be able to rally his faithful and continue to do damage to American discourse.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:11 AM

41. No.

Having grown up in New York, and after living there again after I finished my 12 years in the Air Force, I saw what this human-shaped turd has been doing for a LONG time. I really want to see this lying, cheating, stealing motherfucker and his entire self-entitled family be sentenced to pay fines and restitution to the point that they are forced to sell *everything* they have, except for the clothes they were wearing when they are convicted; as part of his sentence, be obligated go on national television for 10 minutes to read an apology to the entire world for fucking everything up so badly and being such a complete asshole for his entire wasted life (and he has to stay on script, under penalty of a shock collar being activated. What the heck, just activate it at random every once in a while anyway, just for the hell of it!); to see his name stripped from every structure, worldwide (except possibly a random Porta-Potty or two); and every last one of these bastards to be held in solitary confinement in exile on Johnston Island, with only a looping feed of Keith Olbermann's commentaries as entertainment, and no contact whatsoever with the rest of the civilized world until the name 'trump' is forgotten, then have his rotting remains be buried in an unmarked grave, topped with an outhouse. He should live the rest of his days in total humiliation.

He deserves no break or leniency at all after the damage he has inflicted for the past 40 years or more.

(Yes, I would be extremely angry, but absolutely not surprised at all if the Dems got a majority in the House and agreed to no impeachment investigations in exchange for Trump's resignation.)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SeattleVet (Reply #41)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 04:34 AM

52. This is a pipe dream

a glorious pipe dream! I'd love to see it happen but can't allow myself to believe that justice would ever be meted out in this fashion.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:19 AM

42. I think ultimately something like that will happen but it will be to protect his

Own ass, because that is all he cares about.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:25 AM

43. Despite what I said in the last post, I hope people on all sides realize that

As embarrassing as it would be to have everything out in public, including a President who is a traitor, it is vital that all the facts emerge and he is held properly to account because I could see a whole new set of conspiracy theories, with the can being kicked down the road. Face up to what was done.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:35 AM

44. No. I want impeachment for Trump and indictments for Junior

Even if Trump is acquitted in the Senate, almost a sure thing, the process will distract him far more that it ever did Clinton, and Trump would be far more easily distracted and rattled by this than Clinton ever was. Besides, a Senate trial would block much of McTurtle's time that he wanted to spend confirming Trump's (i.e. his) hack judges. Junior is not a sitting President. Junior isn't a sitting anything that affords him protection from prosecution, so that makes him a sitting duck.

What I also want, and only Mueller knows if this is on the back burner or off the radar completely, is a thorough investigation of Pence's funny business as well as Trump's--at least to the extent that he vows publicly not to run in 2020 even if he becomes a short caretaker president between now and then after a Trump resignation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:00 AM

45. No.

See the revisionist perspective on Nixon.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:28 AM

46. Why make this deal?

No Need. There is no peace without justice.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 03:47 AM

48. No. They will get him. I hope as they work this, they take out Punce first.

Then Jared and Ivanka. Screw them all for their roles.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 03:59 AM

49. No

This is so bad that our country needs a full reveal in order to do whatever possible to prevent another Trump. Without that, the conspiracy theorists might destroy democracy. I am amazed at how powerful of a hold bizarre conspiracies have on people now, no matter their education level in my experience.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 04:02 AM

50. Only if Pence goes with him..nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 04:40 AM

53. Probably not, even if he promised to never give an interview again.

He needs to be in prison.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 04:52 AM

54. Nope

The ice rink for skating no longer holds ice to skate upon. Fuck them all, they need to spend a loooong time behind bars, every one of them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:20 AM

56. NO NO NO!!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:29 AM

57. maybe, with three conditions:

1. the entire family is banished from the country forever; they can fuck off and go live in Russia

2. we put a law in place to ensure that the orange fucker's image is never shown, his voice never heard, his inane ramblings never repeated, and his name never uttered in public ever again--nobody should ever have to see his ugly fucking face or hear anything about him, ever again, for all eternity

3. the whole ugly story of his and his family's crimes is made public, so that we can all learn a lesson from this unfortunate episode and never allow anyone so unsuitable anywhere near the office of president in the future


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:34 AM

58. Hell No

Trump going to Prison a financially ruined man.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:37 AM

60. ***YES*** On condition 1. Pence and Red Don go after dems win house, 2. USSC pick is held until 2020

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:41 AM

61. No

They need to be locked up. They have already shown themselves as traitors. They could sell secrets to a foreign country and endanger everyone.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 05:51 AM

62. The problem with pardons for those at the top is it makes it harder to reform the system

It's not just about "the Trumps getting the punishment they deserve"; we need to reform the election and governmental system to make it much harder for criminals to get inside it (Senator Warren's current bill would be a good start), and to deter those that will try in the future.

If the Trump family were to get away without conviction, it's harder to convict those below them. And it's harder to kick out the grifters and ideological maniacs. Pence, Zinke, Ross, DeVos, Wheeler and Mnuchin are all dangers to the USA and world, either because of their crimes, or their unwavering devotion to Christian dominionism, ruining the environment, or enriching the 1% at the expense of all others.

If Trump agreed to resign without impeachment, I think I would take that for practical reasons - getting the Senate to convict him in the impeachment process is going to be tough. That would run the risk of Pence pardoning him, but if that happened, rather than "the country in general" or "us" offering the pardon in exchange for his resignation, then it's still easier to say "we have to reform". The pardon becomes Pence's decision, and you can make it an albatross to tie round his neck.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:01 AM

64. Ambivalence: save the country, or punish the worst human being ever to be president?

I want to live in a world where BOTH are possible.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:13 AM

65. No

`

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:17 AM

66. No. At this point he's more beneficial to us in office

 

Letís face it, Trump being in office is a huge motivator Democrats.

Letís also face the reality that we are a party that loses motivation easily.

Our best long-term hope is that he stays in office until whomever we elect in 2020 takes the office. That lets us use him to push turnout in 2018 and 2020.

Because I want to go into 2021 with the House, Senate and Presidency all in our hands.

If he leaves before then I think our chances of that drop.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:18 AM

67. No.

We need to start holding everyone accountable (from Nixon to today, including GWB and Cheney) when they break the law. Powerful white men need to understand the rule of law extends to them, too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:19 AM

68. I wouldn't be happy with that. No one is above the law and Trump has managed to fly over it his

entire life. He needs to be held accountable, as do Junior, Dipshit and Princess. I'll have some mercy for Melania who is closer to a person in a hostage situation than a marriage. And, yes, I would be upset with Democrats who opted not to impeach. History would not look back on that kindly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 06:21 AM

69. No, he belongs in prison along with his crooked family.

Also he can't be tweeting in prison so I don't have to watch that everyday on msm

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:29 AM

70. Every investigation into the crime family should continue. Let the chips fall where they may.

This guy has destroyed many people throughout his rotten career. I want to see every rock turned over to see what is under it. Follow the money, follow the slime. The entire clan belongs in the slammer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:35 AM

72. That was pretty much what the Nixon deal was. As I

recall, the idea was that it would spare the country from a trial in the Senate. No family members were implicated in Nixon's crimes but a good many close associates did go to jail.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:53 AM

73. At this point I'd even throw in AF1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:58 AM

74. Hell no

He must be punished more severely than any politician has ever been. America has to send a strong message that this won't be tolerated. The next would be dictator will be far smarter than Trump. America will not survive unless we make it very clear you risk everything and I mean everything if you try to subvert our democracy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:43 AM

75. No

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:44 AM

76. No. But it'd help.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:47 AM

77. nope, not ever

 

legitimizes criminal acts

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:47 AM

78. They get pardoned and we get President Pence?

 

Yeah. No.

If we take the house and/or Senate, I never want to hear the words "agree" or "bipartisan" or "sensible solutions".

Why is it only when Dems take control do we have to negotiate or agree to terms or any of that.

Fuck that. If we get power, use that power to take them down and reverse everything they did to damage this country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:48 AM

79. hell no.. i think trumps more dangerous as a private citizen with $$..

...I want his belongings to be confiscated...all his properties liquidated to pay off his back taxes and I want the trump name to be ruined.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:49 AM

80. No.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:51 AM

81. Fuck NO! Lock Em Up!

Do the crime do the time. Fucking fucks, all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:55 AM

82. Nope

And nope.

ETA - Second Nope - You said the House Impeachment - but the Senate Layer is there. AND - it's only impeachment. They wouldn't have the authority to stop criminal charges at the state level.

Him, his children, his friends - lots of folks will be going to prison.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:05 AM

84. Well

If he takes Pence, Ryan, and Turtle Man with him...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:05 AM

85. The longer they choose to stay...

..the more their crimes will be exposed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:17 AM

86. Depends, Can he fire a nuke on his own?

If he really can then I would say yes

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:44 AM

87. Tentatively yes, because we need him out of there

before he does more serious damage.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:55 AM

88. He and his family's crimes demand punishment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:59 AM

89. Are the PTB floating a trial balloon?

 

Is some one getting worried?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

91. Only if Pence leaves too and the popular vote winner Hilary Clinton is President.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:19 AM

93. No.

But if they forfeited all of their properties and money, I might consider it.

I have this fantasy of Trump enduring a couple of simultaneous Greek mythology tortures --- roll the rock up the hill every day to have it roll down again. And have his liver eaten by a big bird on a daily basis. I think that might satisfy me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 11:22 AM

94. No mercy! None!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread