Pence lying in wait.. wants to make country 'more pleasing to his god'

[Demovictory9]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6094873/Mike-Pence-patiently-waiting-Trump-impeached-new-book-reveals.html

Pence demanded custom clothes embroidered with his governor title, has a creepy habit of rubbing people's shoulders and is lying in wait to take Trump's place to make country 'more pleasing to his god'
Bombshell new books reveals Vice President Mike Pence is waiting to see the hand of God at work in his elevation to the White House should Trump be impeached
The Shadow President: The Truth About Mike Pence, tells how the VP even considered trying to replace Trump on the ballot after the 'p***y-gate' scandal
After the tapes were released, Karen Pence viewed Trump as 'reprehensible — just totally vile' and the Pences reportedly refused to take his phone calls
The book also reveals how Karen Pence underwent a fertility treatment called GIFT, not accepted by many Catholic authorities

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As President Trump faces increasingly intense scrutiny and calls for his impeachment, one man is patiently waiting in the wings to take over: Vice President Pence.

The presidency is a dream Mike Pence has embraced since high school and he's been willing to wait and see the hand of God at work in his elevation to the White House should Trump be impeached.

Pence came to believe that the way to his lifelong goal of the Oval Office was to tie his fate to Donald Trump even though he represented everything Christianity abhorred.

During Pence's first year as vice president, he had one public assignment: admiring Donald Trump.

[milestogo]

1. Isn't he going to be implicated in this Russia mess also?

[MrsCoffee]

2. Yes. He was hand picked by Manafort and has known what's going on and lying about it.

[Rorey]

6. I would truly enjoy seeing him in an orange jumpsuit

I think he and -45 should be incarcerated together so Pence can "save" him.

[magicarpet]

25. Dotard,... Pence,... And Pence's buybull all in the same jail cell locked up for 20 years.

Now that would be justice. Dotard would surely go bonkers.

[MrsCoffee]

41. Pence is just a snake oil salesman. He doesn't believe in all that Jesus stuff.

He can’t save anyone. Not even Mother.

[catbyte]

58. You obviously don't live near Indiana.

He's a True Believer, a Christofascist of the first order, and scary as hell.

[exboyfil]

8. But he is more careful

I don't think there is a chance he will be removed. Whether he can win the 2020 primary (assuming Trump is removed or is so lame ducked that his own VP will challenge him) or the general is still TBD? Under the right set of circumstances Trump's 30% very easily could transfer to him. He is a real threat.

[MrsCoffee]

34. Doesn't matter how careful you are with Mueller on the case.

I’m sure he is paying close attention to Manafort’s inner circle.

[Raven123]

63. I agree. Much like McConnell

Quietly biding his time. Watch closely. He will separate himself from Trump without offending the MAGAts unless he is pinned down and forced to take a side - his Boss or his God. He is slippery.

He needs a tough interviewer to hold his feet to the fire and not let him spout his standard gibberish to pointed questions.

[Fred Sanders]

46. Handpicked because he knew how Manafort operated in Ukraine using Putin ties...when we have

the House we will launch several investigations, including this one.

Major point: Trump repeated the campaign of hate, fear and division Manafort and Putin brought to Ukraine, perfected, and then attacked America with an improved carbon copy.

[MrsCoffee]

48. And I don't think his "silence" is going to help much.

Every headline I see about him the last two weeks is how Pence is remaining "silent". Why would that be? To avoid incriminating himself perhaps?

The depths of the corruption are unreal.

[marylandblue]

15. I doubt it, I think he made sure to keep his fingerprints off everything

[2naSalit]

17. Won't matter after all the sining is done...nt

[marylandblue]

20. He sinned too? Mother will not be pleased :)

[2naSalit]

22. Oh dear, oh dear!

Actually, I think she'll be glad to see him frog-marched into his cell.

[Trueblue Texan]

3. Hypocrisy to gag

When I look at the creep at the mike broadcasting his radio show and compare to the pious little twit in the vp's office I just want to gag. Shuddddder! Get thee behind me, mfer!

[Delmette2.0]

68. That radio show clip!

I could only listen for about a minute. I didn't think he could talk so much or so fast.

[Rorey]

4. So delusional

If -45 leaves office under whatever circumstances, I suppose we'll get stuck for a bit with Pence. He won't be liked.

[Ohiogal]

5. I personally will have a meltdown

if this disgusting toady and fake Christian makes it into the Oval Office.

[WePurrsevere]

7. Ugh... Pence is a sanctimonious pharisee, a Paulian, NOT...

a follower of the teachings of Jesus written about in the Gospels. If you want to see a well known public figure who truly tries to live that way, look to President Jimmy Carter. There's a bit in the Gospels where Jesus warns about false prophets and says we will know the real from the fake "by their fruits". Jimmy Carter is definitely a 'good apple' compared to Pense who's truly a 'rotten tomato'.

[TeapotInATempest]

32. Wish I could rec this.

[WePurrsevere]

51. Thanks! nt

[oberliner]

9. Pence would be even worse than Trump

We must ensure that he never becomes POTUS.

[uncle ray]

13. why would he be worse?

[oberliner]

14. Because he is a true-believer far RW Christian fundamentalist

I think he would be more aggressive about pushing that agenda than Trump has been (since Trump doesn't actual care about any of that stuff, except insofar as it helps him politically).

[uncle ray]

19. well it's not a treasonous felony to be a fundie.

we have a more immediate problem to deal with. we've dealt with fundies before, we can do it again should he somehow not be indicted at the same time as trump. i think many of us would love to go back to the days of relatively honest left v right debates rather than someone who cannot bang out an angry tweet without committing felony treason.

[oberliner]

21. That's true - but I'm thinking in terms of policy

For instance, I would argue that Trump's judicial appointments will actually have a more long-standing harmful impact than anything else he has done. And what I fear with Pence is that he would not only continue to re-shape the judiciary in a far-RW way but also attempt to promote legislation that would be similarly deleterious to progressive values.

[uncle ray]

24. that does not make him WORSE.

that makes him similarly bad, minus all the treason. given the two options i will reluctantly take similarly bad minus treason over bad WITH treason.

[oberliner]

76. It could

If he pursues far-RW policies more aggressively and with more legislative success than Trump has.

[Dream Girl]

80. Agree. I get so sick of the Pence is worse nonsense. Pence would not have the power Trump

Has. He does not have a cult like following. Wat would/could he do the Trump couldn’t. The Pence is worse nonsense is so silly

[JI7]

94. Exactly, Most who bring up Fear of Pence are people like Roseanne who are just Trump Supporters

Trump is doing everything that fundie right wingers want . is it not so bad because he is doing it for his own personal political support rather than personal beliefs ?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. Its becoming so when fundies use religion to keep folks in iine.

[NastyRiffraff]

66. No, but it's treasonous to be actively working toward a theocracy

which would be completely against the Constitution Pence has sworn to defend. He is a Dominionist who wants the country governed by Biblical principles. Might as well have Sharia law.

[JI7]

95. Trump doesn't believe in the Constitution either. at least with Pence we would have a focus on all

shit he is already doing with Trump as "pres".

[Paka]

36. He's a Dominionist.

A truly scary man.

[oberliner]

79. Indeed

Very frightening stuff.

[The Liberal Lion]

47. Pence may not be worse

But he is certainly involved with the treachery that took place that put that orange anus illegally in the white house. No to Pence and no to any republican ever again.

[HopeAgain]

55. I agree. Zealotry is even more dangerous

than greed.

[oberliner]

78. Those are my feelings exactly

[LeftishBrit]

71. He's probably be safer for the world at large

Not because he'd be great on foreign policy, but because he'd be more predictable and conform more to existing rules and traditions.

But probably as bad or worse than American Psycho on domestic policy.

[oberliner]

77. Not for Iran

I think the neocons are keen on an invasion - more so than Trump.

[LeftishBrit]

96. Neither is safe for Iran.

[TlalocW]

10. I worry about people

Who see the hand of God controlling everything in their lives. You can't negotiate with them if they think God is backing them all the time.

TlalocW

[DFW]

16. We all should worry about people like that

I remember Anwar Sadat's complaint when trying to negotiate territory with Menachim Begin at the 1979 Camp David peace talks. Sadat said that he could negotiate with someone who said, "I need this land to ensure my country's security." He said he could NOT negotiate with someone who said, "This land is mine. God gave it to me."

[dalton99a]

23. +1

[Paka]

38. Great quote!

[Duppers]

84. Song from Exodus. As if God gave anyone a deed?!

Laughable, preposterous, but believed! It's such an arrogant assumption.
Remember the old movie with Paul Newman.

It's rather like the US founders' arrogant concept of "the 19th century, manifest destiny" - "a widely held belief in the United States that its settlers were destined to expand across North America." And take lands from the natives. It was born out of the arrogant "sense of mission to redeem the Old World by high example ... generated by the potentialities of a new earth for building a new heaven."

Quotes from Wiki.

[Crunchy Frog]

93. LOL. Reminds me of this video.

[DFW]

98. That should be shown to all parties

At the next Middle East peace negotiation. If there ever is one, that is.

[Liberalagogo]

39. I worry about people that

sleep with their "mommies".

[Duppers]

82. Fundamentalists.

They're

[SunSeeker]

11. Pence should be indicted.

He was personally warned during the transition that Flynn was a foreign agent and he did nothing. He is part of the conspiracy.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. And was hand picked by manafort.

the pence dog...dont hunt anymore.

[Ilsa]

12. Aftermath of trump presidency: dystopian religious society. nt

[Wounded Bear]

29. Yeah, think V for Vendetta...

with a dose of Handmaid's Tale.

[2naSalit]

18. I suspect that when the dust settles

we will have in the jumpsuit lineup; Pence, Ryan, Mcturtle and several other high ranking Cabinet and Congresscritters on the R side of the aisle.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. The gop ruined religion. They cant unring the bell. god has left the galaxy

and im not going to be regulated morally through the church by a bunch of absolute sinners on every level. That cudgel has no teeth.

[Wounded Bear]

30. Religion ruined religion...

The Catholic Church is the model for modern multi-national corporations.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. I think the Catholic Church is amongst the more liberal main street religions.

the people i go to church with (in the past) are pretty liberal and just do an eyeroll on the abortion thing. The gop ruined religion after 911. imho. Pedophile priests and padres and proctors and deacons are everywhere, they just dont get investigated and are hidden in their own whack job dogma. That's my take. thanks for your opinion though. Either way, I'm not going to be lectured by a bunch of political "God fearing moralists" on any level anymore. i understand what youre saying. You want whack job alt right? Bethany Church of God and every Baptist and baptist light church in America today.
**** All of that comment is directed to snake in the grass/slit eyed pence thinking he's going to resurrect and impute the church dogma in our political system. Its a control lever anymore, and THEY made it so obvious as to have 'wrecked' religion.
the jesus I was brought up to emulate (and I try to) was a very humble kind and universally thoughtful man who (if he was really a person) is a far cry from the judgmental (First book of the bible style) god amongst us.

[lambchopp59]

35. I can agree, largely from the outside

I was raised to take most religious systems with large, critical grains of salt. However, it was the Baptists... worse yet, some extended family of the Westboro idiots, that made my latter teen years a living hell.
And it was catholic nuns, on a few occasions who later fed and clothed me when I was homeless youth, they did so without questions, without judgement.
There were some catholic kids I grew up with who may disagree with us about that. Apparently the nuns got pretty screwy with "their own flock".

[zentrum]

33. More like the "hand of Baal"...

...would put him in office.

[kacekwl]

37. I thought pukes didn't like shria law.

This guy is a fanatic as well as a liar.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

60. They love it when it's branded as their own.

Women will be “acceptable” as long as we hide under rocks. Hopefully not rocks that were thrown at us.
And GLBT folks...I believe they’re automatically slated for death. As per the god of fear and brimstone.

[lambchopp59]

40. I believe... Yass, brethren I truly believe... that if any religious edict should cost Pence

any significant dip in his lifestyle, the biblical bugaboo will fly straight out the window.
Religious hogwash maddens me unmercifully, in it's use to un-evenly divide the worlds shortening resources, in dividing families when one or another offspring doesn't live up to parental "standards", and most nauseatingly: such as "God told me to invade Iraq".
There's no good way out of this debacle. I feel my basic rights as a gay person personally threatened under a Pence dictatorship.

[SHRED]

42. He's in with Russia also

Manafort picked him.

[MrsCoffee]

43. I still think there is the possibility of President Hatch or Pelosi.

Depends on when Trump goes.

I think they got the goods on Trump, Pence, Ryan and McConnell.

And people wonder why she can’t say that impeachment is priority. That could sound a little self serving. She is playing it super smart as always.

[NRaleighLiberal]

44. amazing how truly sick people like him can ascend to power

[SeloverB]

45. If Trump is illegitimate so is Pence!

Don't forget, if it is proven that Trump stole the election, Pence benefited from that theft as well. Pence would be no more entitled to his office, (vice president or president), than Trump is! BOTH need to go if Trump stole the presidency. We would need to find place holders for BOTH president and vice president until the next election in 2020.

[Volaris]

69. Not if the dems control the House..

And IF that should come to pass in november, the only way to begin to get Some Justice for this, is for the Blue Majority to elect Hillary Madame Speaker.

Then impeach the illigetimate Republican TICKET.

[sueh]

49. Flynn's sentencing hearings keep getting delayed. I wonder if he is singing to Mueller

about Pence.

[More_Cowbell]

50. fertility treatment

I'm sure there's a story *there*

[MrsCoffee]

52. "Karen Pence underwent a fertility treatment called GIFT, not accepted by many Catholic authorities"

Pence is the ultimate Commander Waterford.

[democratisphere]

53. God save US ALL from pence!

[Sneederbunk]

54. Ironic if he should become president as a result of Pecker.

[Auggie]

56. Pence and Kavanaugh are prizes for the far right. Congress will never remove the V.P. ...

especially with the presidency just around the corner.

[yuiyoshida]

57. He maybe a Snake in the grass however...

I do believe he will be included in the Russian Probe, and he too will come down as a co-conspirator crime with his Boss, the Orange President.

[sellitman]

59. In his other life

He sells Caskets to Mortuaries.

[The Genealogist]

61. Out of the frying pan into the fire

At least for many of us. Get rid of a grifting nutjob criminal, only to get a grifting nutjob theocrat. The purpose of the US government is not to "make the country more pleasing to his God.'"

[ToxMarz]

62. I wonder if they will still believe it is the hand of god

when Speaker Pelosi becomes President

[Nay]

72. Exactly.

[Duppers]

88. IF they prove the election was stolen,

Then Pence indeed has no claim to the presidency.

President Pelosi should then appoint Hillary Clinton as her vice president, then resign, making HILLARY PRESIDENT! Justice served.

[ewagner]

64. We were lucky with Nixon....

Spiro Agnew was indicted and resigned the Vice Presidency before Watergate took Nixon down...

We had Gerald Ford to pick up the mantle of leadership afterwards...I always said he was like "mayonnaise on white bread"..pretty harmless and did minimal damage to the country after Nixon's departure.

Pence?

Scares the bejeesus out of me!

[joanbarnes]

65. I just threw up....

[handmade34]

67. we are in trouble if

there is action before the end of next January... line of ascension Trump, Pence and then Ryan...

[LeftishBrit]

70. How does this differ from someone who wants Sharia law?

[Nitram]

73. If Trump is impeached, Pence will be an ineffectual lame duck.

[Dream Girl]

81. Exactly, he does not have Trumps cult like following

[Solly Mack]

74. Ick

[Guilded Lilly]

75. Does this mean we will temporarily have a First Mother?

[Blue_true]

85. And no man in the USA can ever be alone in a room with a woman who is not his wife or sister.

People are going to be so mixed up, all aspects of life will slow down, business, academia, medicine, name it.

[Demovictory9]

86. He will establish religious police to enforce rule

[Blue_true]

87. Don't joke, I would not put it past him. He tried to make Indiana a religion led state, the Courts

stopped him from succeeding. The man is a true believer religious zealot.

[Scurrilous]

83. ...

[Xolodno]

89. And the ironic thing...the Bible warns of this...

Luke 4

[5] And the devil took him up, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,
[6] and said to him, "To you I will give all this authority and their glory; for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will.
[7] If you, then, will worship me, it shall all be yours."

So in essence, if your that much of a zealot, Pence has to accept he is an agent of Satan.

[ecstatic]

90. I'd love for trump to turn on pence before their respective impeachments

Just trying to make the best of a shitty situation.

[Blue Owl]

91. Useless POS

n/t

[Raine]

92. He's scarier then Trump

to me...

[Vinca]

97. How could Pence not know what was going on? We shouldn't assume he'll skate by on all of this.

If he does, break out the chastity belts and burkas.