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Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:32 PM

I think Trump may be, in addn to other things, a sadist.

I hate to say it. He is so many things that are bad. Narcissistic, egotistical, arrogant, unintelligent, uninformed, rash, mean, juvenile, vindictive, petty, no respect for truth, dishonorable, a blowhard, a bully, power hungry.

But it strikes me, finally, that he may actually be sadistic.

SADIST. a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or humiliation on others.


Vanity Fair's article from today says that someone reports that Trump got joy from pulling Brennan's security clearance. And that quashing praise of McCain's service and then raising the flags to full mast also fell into that category. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-nuts-rejects-war-council-intervention-goes-it-alone

Thinking back on all the times (the ones I remember) of how he called people names, even ordinary citizens with no power to fight back, damaged careers (Sen. Flake of AZ & others), the children in cages, the immigrants forced to give up their plea for amnesty in exchane for seeing their children again, put people in charge of agencies for the purpose of dismantling those depts & agencies, and all the rest. What would be the purpose? It strikes me that it may be as simple as...it gives him joy. It gives him pleasure to see hurt, pain, and damage that he causes. It makes him feel powerful?

It gives him joy to damage a career or humiliate someone. That would explain some of the things he's done. But was he always that way? Someone needs to do a psych profile on him after this is all over.

Or is this too dramatic? Too extreme? Still, it seems to fit.

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Reply I think Trump may be, in addn to other things, a sadist. (Original post)
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 OP
Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #1
fierywoman Aug 2018 #13
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #15
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #27
dchill Aug 2018 #2
Grassy Knoll Aug 2018 #3
MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #4
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #16
Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #26
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #28
Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #37
MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #32
2naSalit Aug 2018 #5
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #18
procon Aug 2018 #6
mahina Aug 2018 #7
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #17
Cha Aug 2018 #8
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #19
NanceGreggs Aug 2018 #9
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #20
marylandblue Aug 2018 #10
Hekate Aug 2018 #11
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #22
marybourg Aug 2018 #12
robbob Aug 2018 #14
Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #21
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #24
Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #25
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #29
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #23
samnsara Aug 2018 #31
samnsara Aug 2018 #30
Poiuyt Aug 2018 #33
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #34
Poiuyt Aug 2018 #35
Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #36
BSdetect Aug 2018 #38

Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:38 PM

1. You're just now reaching this conclusion? n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:31 AM

13. +1000

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:13 PM

15. Oh...okay. LOL. So I'm not being too extreme in my conclusion. LOL.

I guess I'm late to the game.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:45 PM

2. Doin' a what comes natch er Lee!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:50 PM

3. His Safe Word Is " I Love Trump "

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:59 PM

4. He enjoys making people suffer. He beat up one of his teachers as a child

He is here to make people suffer.

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:15 PM

16. He was never a tough kid, is what I read. He was purty-boy.

I find it hard to believe that he ever beat up anyone. Unless he gave it a shot, knowing the teacher couldn't do anything because of Trump's powerful, mean father. But maybe he was more physical than I read.

For instance...I saw a Mueller - Trump comparison. Mueller served with honors in the military, while Trump was on the bowling team.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:27 PM

26. My bil attended NYMA when tRump was there. My bil was two years junior. He was one of the few Jews

at the school. tRump and his cronies frequently physically and verbally abused my bil, and trashed his quarters.

Incredibly tRump invited my bil to his wedding to Ivana!

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Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:41 PM

28. Did Trump himself get involved in physical violence?

I can see him being part of a violent group, and participating a bit, but not one of the leading violent ones. He's a chicken, I think, & would worry about getting his pretty face damaged. He was known as a ladies guy.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:04 AM

37. According to my bil tRump would slap and punch him, and pull his hair.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:15 PM

32. Oh I'm sure the teacher had to be old and sickly

No one who could fight back

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:03 AM

5. That's a question? I see it as a certainty...nt

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:17 PM

18. Okay, then. I guess it's not out of bounds to say that! LOL. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:09 AM

6. Don't forget some of his other special 'accomplishments'...

Taking away food from poor folks, even school meals. Taking away healthcare and just letting people die. Increasing allowable levels of toxins and carcinogens that will affect millions of people. And then there's the hundreds of children he abducted right out of the parent's arms and made into orphans, even for a sadist, that was really special.

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Response to procon (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:30 AM

7. Taking heat subsidies from poor old people.

Taking housing from poor disabled people.

I try to stay in the light, I swear to God I do. I hate this man.

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Response to procon (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:16 PM

17. Yes, I made sure to include the children in cages as part of my post.

Okay...I guess he is a sadist. Add that to the long list of mental issues he has.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:32 AM

8. I've known that for awhile now..

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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:17 PM

19. +1. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:32 AM

9. I don't think it's even pleasure he feels ...

… so much as a lessening of his own pain.

If he humiliates someone, it makes him feel superior to them.

If he spews vitriol at someone, it makes him feel less vulnerable himself.

If he seeks revenge on someone, it makes him feel “safe”, because he thinks he’s incapacitated an enemy who had the power to hurt him.

Sadly, I’ve known a couple of men like this. They don’t really derive pleasure from anything. Even when they are praised, they don’t enjoy it – because they’re too busy assessing that the praise wasn’t high enough, the applause wasn’t loud enough, the accolades weren’t as worshipful as they should have been.

IMHO, Donald Trump has no capacity for feeling pleasure – or happiness.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:19 PM

20. Then that would not be sadism. Sadists get pleasure from humiliating & causing pain to others.

I was regarding it more as vindictiveness, meanness. But it occurred to me that it's more than that. He actually gets pleasure from it. But you're saying it's part of his ego issue. Which makes sense.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:18 AM

11. What was your first clue? "Abuser" just sticks out all over him. By the time he stalked Hillary ...

...all over the debate stage, I just about wanted to barf.

In addition, he has at least two people in his orbit who literally take pleasure in ripping little kids from their parents' arms and sticking them in cages: Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller, whose idea it was.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:20 PM

22. Every time someone mentions him at that debate, I flash back to the Baldwin SNL skit about that.

I'm chuckling even now. It was so funny.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:25 AM

12. If there exists a human character flaw, tRump has it.

If there’s a character strength, tRump doesn’t have it.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:26 AM

14. I don't remember all the details, but...

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isn’t there a story out there about his idea of fun which involved getting an employee or business associate on the phone and then calling the mans wife and hitting on her over the phone, while her husband is listening on the other line?

Or maybe getting the wife to come see him in person while he has the husband listening in on speaker phone as he hits on her?

Real sick stuff. Humiliation, sexual harassment and potentially marital ending hi-jinx. What fun.

He’s one sick puppy, no doubt about that.

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Response to robbob (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:19 PM

21. Well, he did hang out with Howard Stern a lot...

I hardly ever listened or heard him myself, but the little I have heard tells me that Howard was a real sick puppy. Trump was a natural there, I guess.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:22 PM

24. The thing about Stern, I think, is that it's all an act.

He is feeding the sickos out there, but is not one himself. He's been married a million years and swears he's never been unfaithful. He's even said it's an act. He gives 'em what they want. He's become a very wealthy man doing that.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:23 PM

25. Perhaps, but it's not an act for Trump...

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:03 PM

29. No, it's not an act for Trump. I heard clips of him on the Stern show. Disgusting.

He talked about his daughter, his wife's poop (I kid you not). I mean..this man has no class.

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Response to robbob (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:21 PM

23. I never heard that. That's Caligula-type stuff. Sick. nt

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Response to robbob (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:06 PM

31. remember Stormy said she spanked him...ewwwwww

...actually it makes sense..... a bit of masochism, humiliation and subordination. But since hes sleeping and eating alone I bet that desire has been replaced with self humillation...diaper wearing,thumb sucking..pacifier. And overcompensating for this by acting all blustery, sadistic and 'tough'.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:04 PM

30. if his kids turn on him i bet there are stoooories!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:53 PM

33. That's what separates a regular narcissist from a malignant narcissist

Malignant narcissism is a psychological syndrome comprising an extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism. Grandiose, and always ready to raise hostility levels, the malignant narcissist undermines families and organizations in which they are involved, and dehumanizes the people with whom they associate.

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While narcissists are common, malignant narcissists are less common. A notable difference between the two is the feature of sadism, or the gratuitous enjoyment of the pain of others. A narcissist will deliberately damage other people in pursuit of their own selfish desires, but may regret and will in some circumstances show remorse for doing so, while a malignant narcissist will harm others and enjoy doing so, showing little empathy or regret for the damage they have caused.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #33)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

34. That's it! That nails him perfectly. Thanks. Now there's a name for it.

Malignant narcissist. Malignant. Like a tumor.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:30 PM

35. You may want to check out this book:

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President
by Bandy X Lee

I know that medical people are supposed to diagnose anyone without a careful examination. In Trump's case, however, he has been in the public for so long that there has to be enough evidence for a diagnosis.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:39 PM

36. I will check it out. Thanks! I knew when he was running....

before the election, that something was wrong with him. But I wasn't sure what, since I'm not a professional. There was something wrong with him in an abnormal way...his mind.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:21 AM

38. He's a super-malignant narcissist. A notch below.

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