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On this day let us remember a real American hero (Original Post) SkyDancer Aug 2018 OP
Surprisingly, thankfully, we can hold more than one kind of hero. Iterate Aug 2018 #1
And apparently SkyDancer Aug 2018 #2
I have no idea where you are. Iterate Aug 2018 #4
I listen a lot SkyDancer Aug 2018 #5
Hint: It's not about John McCain or anything John McCain ever said or did. Iterate Aug 2018 #9
It is about John McCain SkyDancer Aug 2018 #10
Ah yes. ehrnst Aug 2018 #11
55 Years ago today my best friend and several other friends stood there on the National Mall. Iterate Aug 2018 #13
+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #6
It's weird to watch people SkyDancer Aug 2018 #7
There are a lot of Non-Democrats here as well. ehrnst Aug 2018 #8
I Was Wondering About That Me. Aug 2018 #14
I'm sure it is for those who base their opinion of someone entitrely on their politics. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #12
K&R nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #3
 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
2. And apparently
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:40 AM
Aug 2018

on this site, posting about the anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech gets you 1 rec'd but JOHN MCCAIN gets a shit load.

Where am I?

Says it all.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
4. I have no idea where you are.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:14 PM
Aug 2018

But wherever it is, it's led you to a wrong and sweeping conclusion about the people of DU. Think of us as 'decency and respect' Democrats. It's not difficult, just listen.

 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
5. I listen a lot
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:53 PM
Aug 2018

I see people praising someone who voted against LGBT rights, MLK's holiday, minimum wage, health care, and supporting endless war. You know what? It's disgusting. That's what. It's revisionism and I doubt we'd be praising McCain at all had Hillary won and he had not gotten into some war of words with Trump.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
9. Hint: It's not about John McCain or anything John McCain ever said or did.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:54 PM
Aug 2018

John McCain is dead. You'll not change his history or behavior. You'll not change any opinion of him.

Eulogies are not for you or your irritations. Eulogies are for the living, the relatives, those who carry on. It's an attempt to extract something good from the life and the loss, and to hold it up for praise and emulation. Everyone involved already knows the decease's failings. No one needs reminding. To bring it up only serves to make a perpetual enemy of those who are painfully mourning. Decent people know this. Find a snippet worth living for and move on.

That's just civil society 101, the basics. There's no reason to turn his death into a tribal war unless it's a tribal war you want.

 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
10. It is about John McCain
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:53 PM
Aug 2018

who else are we discussing?

Civility 101? Like how voted against health care for millions of people enabling people's deaths?
Nah, sorry.

Time to stop romanticizing monsters.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Ah yes.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:54 PM
Aug 2018

The human race is conveniently divided into two categories.

Monster or saint.

Not surprised to hear that, though.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
13. 55 Years ago today my best friend and several other friends stood there on the National Mall.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:53 PM
Aug 2018

They were there for the speech. My friend showed me photos of where they stood and many times he told stories of the day. They'd come down from NYC in a car with Ornette Coleman. I met them all some years later, but was a bit too young then and too distant to even consider attending. My friend was a drunk and could be an asshole, but when we buried him we told riotously funny stories and remebered good things about him.

For what it's worth, the core message of that day, in twenty-five words or less, was that all citizens must treated with equal decency and respect, with rights backed by rule of law. And none of the following civil rights laws would have been passed without at least some Republican crossovers or compromises.

But anyway, it's getting later than you think, and it sounds like you're doubling down for tribal war, staying outside the norms, and elevating McCain to 'monster', which leaves no room for when you encounter a real one. I see some grand ideals, which, with no allies from the decency wing of either party, I assume will magically be realized...how? Does that not matter?

So what's your game here?

BannonsLiver

(16,291 posts)
6. +1
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:56 PM
Aug 2018

It's weird to watch someone get so angry because their posts don't get the preconceived number of recs.

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