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WOW... Meghan is giving it to DT.... Very poised but emphatic: Updated with video (Original Post) hlthe2b Sep 2018 OP
KaBOOM malaise Sep 2018 #1
Won't watch it. ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #50
Real classy dude. john657 Sep 2018 #57
Yes.. that might be the one DUer who would most benefit by watching... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #61
Agree with you. john657 Sep 2018 #63
Right, because we all need to be sheep. bitterross Sep 2018 #67
Most of us watch/read something being discussed before offering an opinion hlthe2b Sep 2018 #68
The poster did not opine upon her speech. Watching it was unnecessary. bitterross Sep 2018 #70
what is unnecesssary... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #71
Apparently some aren't john657 Sep 2018 #72
Because the best way to deal with hateful political adversaries who lack empathy EffieBlack Sep 2018 #92
Yes we are. Especially here on DU. Let's not deify a Republican though. bitterross Sep 2018 #76
Not my definition of humanity... fortunately most here agree. To sympathize with others is universal hlthe2b Sep 2018 #78
You believe what you want to believe, john657 Sep 2018 #82
I didn't see anyone elect you to speak for the majority. /nt bitterross Sep 2018 #102
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #105
All you have to do is READ the majority of the comments about Senator McCain john657 Sep 2018 #106
Cute graphic. I like your striped PJs. /nt bitterross Sep 2018 #108
You just can't seem to get anything right. john657 Sep 2018 #109
John 6:57? bitterross Sep 2018 #110
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #97
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #100
True enough. Take McCain himself, he still voted yes to alot of stuff Trump pushed for like cstanleytech Sep 2018 #69
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #96
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #99
+1 melman Sep 2018 #112
Despite the push-back from others I respect your opinion. bitterross Sep 2018 #64
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #94
You deserve your opinion... BlueJac Sep 2018 #75
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #95
Wow EffieBlack Sep 2018 #90
LOL! ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #93
I hope to hell DT sees this (and he likely will, being curious about Meghan, I'm sure) hlthe2b Sep 2018 #2
So hard to watch. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #3
She really was "daddy's little girl" obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #34
Yes she is. Luz Sep 2018 #4
Summary? Goodheart Sep 2018 #5
Long summary of who McCain was and by direct inference, who DT is not (without ever mentioning hlthe2b Sep 2018 #11
She made an emphatic reference to Trump as a counterfeit patriot grantcart Sep 2018 #15
She didn't mention him by name but it was pretty obvious. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #19
Correct,she just ridiculed the MAGA line and the Cathedral erupted in sustained applause. grantcart Sep 2018 #24
Something about men of privilege sitting at home while her father was a POW. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #18
I noticed that MiniMe Sep 2018 #6
She let him have it. Send that back to your daddy Ivanka SummerSnow Sep 2018 #7
Ivanka is an idiot. lark Sep 2018 #30
That was fabulous! Good for her! nolabear Sep 2018 #8
That tatoo on Trump's forehead grantcart Sep 2018 #9
She's making me cry again. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #10
Today she's a daughter who leftynyc Sep 2018 #28
I was in tears as well. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #41
The passing of years do not diminish that loss. colorado_ufo Sep 2018 #54
I don't particularly like Megan myself, but pazzyanne Sep 2018 #77
Yes n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2018 #12
She sure did ... obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #13
'men of priveledge' spanone Sep 2018 #14
Gah... she is wrecked by his death. demmiblue Sep 2018 #16
Hang in there, Baby Girl. nolabear Sep 2018 #17
The America of John mcCain is not the America of Trump Horse with no Name Sep 2018 #20
"The America of John McCain doesn't need to be made great again. It was always great" EffieBlack Sep 2018 #38
You got THAT right!!!!! MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #48
This was the moment in Megan's eulogy where I broke down and cried. pazzyanne Sep 2018 #81
She just said "America was always great!" Didja hear that trump? Tweet storm in 30 seconds. George II Sep 2018 #21
which should have been the response from day #1 0rganism Sep 2018 #29
I've been saying that since the first day those ugly hats showed up. Like you, I wish that.. George II Sep 2018 #33
Well Candidate Hillary Clinton did on numerous occasions MagickMuffin Sep 2018 #49
That was her central message, along with the fact that we are stronger together. StevieM Sep 2018 #60
America was always great. Kaboom ! obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #22
That America doesn't need to be made great again. tavernier Sep 2018 #23
Responded with sustained applause. grantcart Sep 2018 #25
She's showing a grace in grief leftynyc Sep 2018 #26
Meghan, you did your dad proud. demmiblue Sep 2018 #27
Agreed! Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #31
Good for her! duforsure Sep 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueIndyBlue Sep 2018 #43
My hope DownriverDem Sep 2018 #35
I hope republican veterans really hear her message. mucifer Sep 2018 #40
I hope the voters did. mobeau69 Sep 2018 #42
+1 ooky Sep 2018 #45
I'll bet after Pence repeatedly said (yesterday) that DT had sent him to speak, Meghan hlthe2b Sep 2018 #36
For Sure DownriverDem Sep 2018 #37
Jared and Ivanka have no business being there. nt Skidmore Sep 2018 #39
Updated to include full video of her eulogy (in OP). Please watch if you haven't hlthe2b Sep 2018 #44
im not a Meghan fan but she had me crying like a baby with her beautiful words samnsara Sep 2018 #46
Me too. hlthe2b Sep 2018 #47
"counterfeit patriots." Sounds like the republican cabal in the White House Achilleaze Sep 2018 #51
It must really burn him up to know that he will never, ever be eulogized like that. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #52
I know she's paid to be "The Republican" on "The View", but she's increasingly catbyte Sep 2018 #53
I know, and I've always wondered why she did that... maddiemom Sep 2018 #62
What a great eulogy! ewagner Sep 2018 #55
Even for this, it becomes all about the BLOTUS. nt. Pluvious Sep 2018 #56
Not all of it. Duppers Sep 2018 #83
Go git 'im cilla4progress Sep 2018 #58
Well done. leanforward Sep 2018 #59
I wonder if Gov. Ducey will appoint Meghan to replace her father? The McCain name alone would in2herbs Sep 2018 #65
She really hates tRump. n/t Julian Englis Sep 2018 #66
She really hates tRump. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #73
Beautiful eulogy NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #74
I am kind of surprised that yuiyoshida Sep 2018 #79
I hope they were duly embarrassed. They should be hlthe2b Sep 2018 #80
Unfortunately people like Ivanka and Jerad are incapable of shame. pazzyanne Sep 2018 #85
They're too stupid to realize what was being said Rorey Sep 2018 #86
Powerful! Duppers Sep 2018 #84
i missed the opening of this orleans Sep 2018 #87
Wow! jcgoldie Sep 2018 #88
I was hoping she'd stand up for her father when he can see it AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #89
She gave a wonderful, emotional tribute. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #91
I'm no fan of Meghan McCain or her father, jb5150 Sep 2018 #98
We do not have to have agreed radical noodle Sep 2018 #101
"summer soldier and the sunshine patriot" joshcryer Sep 2018 #103
Couldn't watch it... Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #104
This young lady did a good job Gothmog Sep 2018 #107
She's already being attacked by far RWers on twitter apparently. Will Trump attack her too? hlthe2b Sep 2018 #111
 

ChiTownDenny

(747 posts)
50. Won't watch it.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:24 AM
Sep 2018

Fuck her. She's spoken more kindly of Trump than she has of Bill Clinton. Yeah, fuck her.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
63. Agree with you.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:03 PM
Sep 2018

I don't particularly care for Meghan's politics, but it's clear that she deeply loved her dad and despised what the infant idiot said and did to her father.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
67. Right, because we all need to be sheep.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:17 PM
Sep 2018

Every DUer is entitled to their opinion. You are entitled to disagree with it as you have done.

Just because Meghan McCain is the enemy of our enemy today does not make her our ally. She is anything but our ally. Monday, on The View, she will return to pushing Reich-wing memes.

I have sympathy for her as she is another human in pain. But not much else.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
68. Most of us watch/read something being discussed before offering an opinion
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:21 PM
Sep 2018

whether to agree or disagree. Clearly the poster had no intention to do so.

Most progressives believe in doing so. Disagreement after doing so, is fine.

I note you offered sympathy in your disagreement. The other poster offered nothing but contempt and that to me is just sad. As much disdain as we all here might have had for Meghan, her father and most at that funeral, to grieve is human and to sympathize even more so.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
70. The poster did not opine upon her speech. Watching it was unnecessary.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:31 PM
Sep 2018

The post was not about the content of the speech. It was about Meghan McCain and basically that she didn't deserve the time spent watching her speak.

One need not watch one of her speeches that is presented in isolation about her dead parent to form an opinion about her. In fact, doing so would most likely present a skewed opinion of her. One that doesn't match reality.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
92. Because the best way to deal with hateful political adversaries who lack empathy
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

Is to prove we can be more hateful and less empathetic than they are.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
76. Yes we are. Especially here on DU. Let's not deify a Republican though.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:46 PM
Sep 2018

We DUers, took on John McCain as a cause celebre when the people who were supposed to be his friends threw him out for their cult leader.

I do believe we have gone a bit too far in support of a Republican who, on the whole, was really not better than any other Republican in the party against which we fight. I can count on one hand the number of times he's helped progressive causes.

There is a difference between displaying compassion for another human in pain and deifying one's enemy because of a worse mutual enemy. I believe we have done our human best at the former and far too much of the latter.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
78. Not my definition of humanity... fortunately most here agree. To sympathize with others is universal
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:48 PM
Sep 2018
 

john657

(1,058 posts)
106. All you have to do is READ the majority of the comments about Senator McCain
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

and Meghan McCain and you'll know I am speaking for the majority.
DUH.
BTW, you know how childish your reply to me sounded?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
110. John 6:57?
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 03:25 PM
Sep 2018

John 6:57 King James Version (KJV)

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Is this where you came up with your name?

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
69. True enough. Take McCain himself, he still voted yes to alot of stuff Trump pushed for like
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:26 PM
Sep 2018

tax cuts to the ultra wealthy as well as voting yes to Gorsuch so while its sad she lost her father and I have sympathy for that I would not trust her or most other Republicans as far as I could throw them as they have proven themselves untrustworthy.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
112. +1
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 04:38 PM
Sep 2018

Enough of this McCain worship already. It's ridiculous at this point. Beyond ridiculous.

I don't give one single shit about what Meghan McCain has to say about anything. Didn't before, don't now, won't in the future.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
64. Despite the push-back from others I respect your opinion.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:09 PM
Sep 2018

I don't particularly like her either.

I took a huge raft of crap from a lot of people after 9-11 when I didn't fall in line and support W. The day after, as we all watched the non-stop coverage making him and Giuliani out to be heroes I vehemently disagreed.

I made the point he was still the same idiot, loser, privileged, rich-boy who never worked for anything as he was the day before it happened. Turns out my assessment was correct.

The same is true of her. Yes, I feel sympathy for her as a human. No, I don't respect her anymore today than I did yesterday or I will tomorrow.

ON EDIT: Just because she's saying things we like today doesn't mean she's our friend or advocate.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
75. You deserve your opinion...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:46 PM
Sep 2018

I did not watch her either, I hope people don't tear my head off for that. This is DU, I support all Democrats!

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
34. She really was "daddy's little girl"
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:42 AM
Sep 2018

It was hard to watch her yesterday -- her 106-year-old grandmother was trying to help her keep it together, and she really couldn't.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
11. Long summary of who McCain was and by direct inference, who DT is not (without ever mentioning
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

his name), though she does say he (McCain) was not "mere rhetoric" so the inference was clear.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
15. She made an emphatic reference to Trump as a counterfeit patriot
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:25 AM
Sep 2018

That despised McCain because he revealed how shallow they are.

Her voice is both strong and wracked with grief.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
18. Something about men of privilege sitting at home while her father was a POW.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:28 AM
Sep 2018

The inference can be drawn...

lark

(23,092 posts)
30. Ivanka is an idiot.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:39 AM
Sep 2018

She won't get it at all, it won't enter that gilded cage so-called brain of hers that Meghan is talking about her dad.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
10. She's making me cry again.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

I don't care for her politics (or her father's for that matter), but she looks so shattered that it's impossible not to feel for her.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
41. I was in tears as well.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:51 AM
Sep 2018

As someone who also adores her father, I could not help but be moved deeply by her eulogy. She looked absolutely wracked with grief and her words were truly heartfelt. I really felt for her.

pazzyanne

(6,549 posts)
77. I don't particularly like Megan myself, but
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:48 PM
Sep 2018

she did herself and her father proud today. You should give her credit where credit is due. ...And today, credit was due!

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
17. Hang in there, Baby Girl.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:27 AM
Sep 2018

She’s like the youngest child that makes you crazy but you can’t help but feel her pain.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
38. "The America of John McCain doesn't need to be made great again. It was always great"
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:43 AM
Sep 2018

And she said it with such emphasis and strength - while staring the audience down.

And the congregation applauded.

Powerful moment.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. I've been saying that since the first day those ugly hats showed up. Like you, I wish that..
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:42 AM
Sep 2018

...was countered immediately.

By the way, he stole that one from Ronald Reagan.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
49. Well Candidate Hillary Clinton did on numerous occasions
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:20 AM
Sep 2018

Of course no one listened to the woman. You know because women belong at home at something like that!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
60. That was her central message, along with the fact that we are stronger together.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:53 AM
Sep 2018

The media preferred to talk about a made-up scandal. And then when the election was over they said she only ran because it was her turn and that this was her campaign's message.

The whole thing was pure misogyny.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. She's showing a grace in grief
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:36 AM
Sep 2018

in such a public wayI know I wouldn't be capable of. I think the senator would be very proud of his little girl. And she beat the crap out of Donnie.

Response to duforsure (Reply #32)

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
36. I'll bet after Pence repeatedly said (yesterday) that DT had sent him to speak, Meghan
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:42 AM
Sep 2018

went home and furiously re-edited her eulogy to be far more direct. And, I am damned glad that she did.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
47. Me too.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:05 AM
Sep 2018

She will rightfully get a lot of accolades for her poise and grace delivering this eulogy

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
51. "counterfeit patriots." Sounds like the republican cabal in the White House
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:26 AM
Sep 2018

The republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief earned his insult the old-fasioned way, by being a colossally cowdardly a-hole.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. It must really burn him up to know that he will never, ever be eulogized like that.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:31 AM
Sep 2018

None of his children will ever share cherished memories of their childhood experiences with him because he basically ignored them until they were old enough to be of use to him. Nobody will cry genuine tears of grief at his passing. Nobody will truly miss him. He is incapable of loving or being loved and will never be remembered by anyone with fondness.

His entire life has been devoted to himself and the gratification of his desires. To the edification of his bloated ego and image. Nobody will miss Donald Trump when he departs this earth and it must be eating him alive to know that millions of people will be dancing in the streets when he finally croaks.

catbyte

(34,374 posts)
53. I know she's paid to be "The Republican" on "The View", but she's increasingly
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:32 AM
Sep 2018

become an apologist for Trump & his vile base. After this, it will ring sort of hollow.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
62. I know, and I've always wondered why she did that...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:02 PM
Sep 2018

her father was pretty obvious as to how he felt about Trump. I would think she'd just have avoided the subject, not stood up for Trump (and she did, a number of times on The View).

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
55. What a great eulogy!
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:37 AM
Sep 2018

I never imagined that Megan is or could be so eloquent. But she was! And that was one of the finest eulogies I've ever heard.

I was alternately cheering, crying and cursing at some of the attendees as the camera passed among them. I saw Henry Kissinger sitting there and wanted to shout at him for his role in Viet Nam, Cambodia..Thailand...I saw Jared and Ivanka and wished that the audience would rise and drive them out of the Cathedral.

No. John McCain wasn't perfect and I disagreed with him more than I agreed with him but his daughter gave him a marvelous eulogy.

Good for you Megan! This is your finest hour.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
83. Not all of it.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:53 PM
Sep 2018

Besides, John Sidney McCain lll knew and his family knows we have a republic to save. And this is their middle finger to 45 for his mean-spirited statements about JSMc.

And these powerful rebukes might just move a few...a few on the fence to vote Democratic. To see R's rebuking BLOTUS may give them pause.



in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
65. I wonder if Gov. Ducey will appoint Meghan to replace her father? The McCain name alone would
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:15 PM
Sep 2018

more than likely assure a republican victory at the election time.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
73. She really hates tRump.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:40 PM
Sep 2018

She's no fan of Hillary's either, and she lets us know about it continually.

But, I digress.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
74. Beautiful eulogy
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 12:45 PM
Sep 2018

I don't like her politics, but she had me in tears. It was deeply human and clearly heartfelt. She slipped in several digs to the current occupier of the White House, contrasting him to her father.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
86. They're too stupid to realize what was being said
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:00 PM
Sep 2018

Ivanka thinks everything is about her (in a positive light), just like her father.

orleans

(34,049 posts)
87. i missed the opening of this
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:05 PM
Sep 2018

but when i turned on the tv this morning she was on.
i sat and watched the entire thing

perhaps it was the hour, but i found this to be one of the most moving, passionate, and heartfelt moments i have ever witnessed

obviously she has tremendously differing political views from my own but i understood her grief.


jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
88. Wow!
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

So I read the transcript of her comments here, but it wasn't until I watched the tape that I fully appreciated it. She was cracking up with emotion and then she just leveled her glare and delivered that "America of John McCain was always great"line like she wanted to ram it down Trump's throat. Bravo! Meghan takes the day and its a tribute to her dad the way she did it!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
91. She gave a wonderful, emotional tribute.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:20 PM
Sep 2018

It's clear McCain had been a wonderful father. I found tears in my eyes a few times during this eulogy.

Obama's and Bush's were good, too. And Henry Kissinger, who gave a eulogy from a different perspective, given Kissinger's political role. All really good.

jb5150

(1,178 posts)
98. I'm no fan of Meghan McCain or her father,
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 01:55 PM
Sep 2018

but I listened to her entire eulogy, and thought it was powerful, moving, and heartfelt. It's difficult to live in the shadow of a famous and powerful parent. Perhaps though his passing, she can find a more balanced and empathetic voice for the hard working ordinary Americans she, and her father, claimed to represent ..... we can always hope.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
101. We do not have to have agreed
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:10 PM
Sep 2018

with McCain politically to mourn the passing of someone who always tried to do what he thought was right for the country. There is far too little of that these days. His beliefs were different than ours, but he was basically a decent man who made mistakes as all of us do.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
104. Couldn't watch it...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

can't stand to see women cry. Just too sad, and I'm just not a fan of hers. Sorry about her Dad and the hole it's going to leave in their lives.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
111. She's already being attacked by far RWers on twitter apparently. Will Trump attack her too?
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 03:39 PM
Sep 2018

What think ye?

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