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mcar

(42,278 posts)
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 05:22 PM Sep 2018

Pierce: John McCain's Funeral Was a Council of War--Just as He Meant It to Be

John McCain’s Funeral Was a Council of War—Just as He Meant It to Be
A dispatch from the National Cathedral.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
SEP 1, 2018

WASHINGTON — In the magnificent, lordly church-house, there were speeches and prayers. There were songs and hymns. There were bands and pipers and choirs and soloists. John McCain was given a national send-off in a National Cathedral and there was a great gathering of emotion that was almost frightening in its intensity because you knew that it was aimed at a solitary, angry, unbalanced man left back at the White House, at someone who nonetheless is the president* of the United States, with all the powers inherent to his office, a man who has created a situation in which he is an object of dislike and disrespect, because that is all that he's given to the world in return.

It was said almost immediately after the conclusion of the funeral ceremonies on Saturday that, for a few hours anyway, we were back in a familiar country with familiar customs and manners and norms, a country with institutions built to last. That may well be true. I felt it, too. But in back of that is the realization that all of us, including the deceased, had taken those customs, manners, norms, and institutions terribly for granted. We thought they could withstand anything, even a renegade president* in the pocket of a distant authoritarian goon. We let the customs, manners, norms and institutions weaken through neglect and now we are in open conflict with an elected president and, make no mistake about it, John McCain's funeral was a council of war, and it was a council of war because that's what John McCain meant it to be.

He deliberately made known to people that the president* was not welcome at any of the services. He deliberately chose the previous two presidents to deliver the formal eulogies. He deliberately created that scene in the Capitol rotunda at which Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Mike Pence, an unholy trio of Trumpist quislings, had to choke down their own cowardice and say how much they loved him and his irascibility. He deliberately created a mirror in which, if they still have an ounce of self-awareness, they could see the rot that has set in on their souls. Even at the end, John McCain knew what he was doing and he was a fearsome opponent. He wanted a pageant of everything this administration* has trashed and put up for sale, and that's what he got Saturday—a morality play shot through with Shakespearian portent and foreshadowing, a pageant of democracy's vengeance....

Make no mistake. Those are not patriotic banalities any more. The current president* has made them dead serious again. They are no longer frothy paeans to the greatness of America. They are compass points on a battlefield. They are no longer heard with half an ear and then forgotten. They are fighting words now. The president* knew it. That's why he spent the morning rage-tweeting and the afternoon playing golf. In dying, and in carefully planning his funeral in the way he did, John McCain has opened a second front.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22893069/john-mccain-funeral-service/

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Pierce: John McCain's Funeral Was a Council of War--Just as He Meant It to Be (Original Post) mcar Sep 2018 OP
No retreat... no surrender. WheelWalker Sep 2018 #1
I hold no illusions that the current denizens mcar Sep 2018 #2
It's a good bet that those who most needed to hear the message, ignored it unitedwethrive Sep 2018 #8
The current crop of R's aren't guided by hearts or minds. Girard442 Sep 2018 #13
Democrats Have Been Cleaning Up Rethuglican Messes Since 1933 OMGWTF Sep 2018 #40
I agree. I'd like to think so, but if they didn't blink when children were caged like dogs.... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #42
Yes, yes, yes!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #56
John McCain would have made a devoted Spartan..... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2018 #10
I wouldn't be quick to praise Sparta Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2018 #66
I love Charlie Pierce. You can listen to him on the Stephanie Miller OMGWTF Sep 2018 #39
I LOVE Charlie Pierce and also catch him on Steffie's Show yellowdogintexas Sep 2018 #69
VERY well said, Charles Pierce! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2018 #3
My pleasure, Peggy mcar Sep 2018 #5
He writes beautifully and he nailed it malaise Sep 2018 #11
Pierce is a national treasure Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #21
Kick and Rec for the wordsmith Charles Pierce. Spot on, sir. Hekate Sep 2018 #4
It's another great read, Hekate mcar Sep 2018 #6
I was unfamiliar with the word "quisling" so I looked it up ailsagirl Sep 2018 #28
Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian, generalbetrayus Sep 2018 #41
Interesting-- thanks or the info ailsagirl Sep 2018 #49
The real Quisling was worse than that. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #53
I think the original Mr. Quisling was Norwegian. He collaborated with the Nazi Occupation. nt Hekate Sep 2018 #58
Perfect malaise Sep 2018 #7
k and r Achilleaze Sep 2018 #9
Best. Pierce. Column. Ever. Girard442 Sep 2018 #12
Standing ovation for Charlie Pierce. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #14
Yup. He is hlthe2b Sep 2018 #20
Very nice BlueJac Sep 2018 #15
Just Beautiful titanicdave Sep 2018 #16
As WheelWalker said irisblue Sep 2018 #17
It is a remarkable perspective, more so because Pierce is correct bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #18
I hope for this mcar Sep 2018 #35
When asked the one person he couldn't forgive, Robert McNamera, who whitewashed in 1967 hlthe2b Sep 2018 #19
Pierce's best column ever. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #22
It was McCain's show, start to finish. mcar Sep 2018 #36
Yep I caught the power of those highlighted words as well Volaris Sep 2018 #65
No words other than praise for this excellent statement of truth. defacto7 Sep 2018 #23
I was hoping, tazmaniac Sep 2018 #24
I was hoping that too mcar Sep 2018 #37
Perfect! redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #25
Damn this is a beautiful essay and battle cry! bronxiteforever Sep 2018 #26
EXCELLENT!! Pierce pulls no punches ailsagirl Sep 2018 #27
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #29
K+R njhoneybadger Sep 2018 #30
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2018 #31
Like him or not StarryNite Sep 2018 #32
No one who watched, even if they only have one ounce of patriotic Enoki33 Sep 2018 #33
Inspiring piece. llmart Sep 2018 #34
K and r. cwydro Sep 2018 #38
Jarvanka, Kelly, Mattis & Graham were there as spies. Ivanka in particular texting during funeral.nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #43
Why would Spanky need spies when the whole thing was on TV? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #51
Camera / switching focuses on only one point of view at a time. Not everything said is picked up. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #54
K&R! orangecrush Sep 2018 #44
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2018 #45
Well said, Sir Az_lefty Sep 2018 #46
March or die. fierywoman Sep 2018 #47
By damn, that man is a superb writer. 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #48
Thank You for this stunning analysis Cha Sep 2018 #50
It is an amazing piece of writing, Cha mcar Sep 2018 #55
Nice article. It is true that for a moment we have all been back PatrickforO Sep 2018 #52
I loved this sign as McCain's coffin was driven from the National Cathedral: SunSeeker Sep 2018 #57
I felt an emotional catharsis of sorts this morning. Texin Sep 2018 #59
And it wasn't that long ago mcar Sep 2018 #61
I liked Bush too Capperdan Sep 2018 #63
This piece is American heart at its best. byronius Sep 2018 #60
K & R! Lifelong Protester Sep 2018 #62
What an essay!! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2018 #64
I think that's the reason it's possible to disagree with John McCain but still respect him. plimsoll Sep 2018 #67
Laurence Tribe: "the best thing I've read about a remarkable day in our history" highplainsdem Sep 2018 #68

mcar

(42,278 posts)
2. I hold no illusions that the current denizens
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 05:34 PM
Sep 2018

of the Republican party even care what was said today.

As usual, it's up to Democrats to clean up the mess.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. I agree. I'd like to think so, but if they didn't blink when children were caged like dogs....
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 07:54 PM
Sep 2018

they're in it for good. They've become part of the Trump madness and hate. They are beyond salvation or reason.

You're right. It's up to the Democrats. I hope we get the chance before there are no more polar bears, there is no more Social Security or Medicare, there are no more national parks.

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
56. Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:01 PM
Sep 2018

If the caging of children and tearing apart families (hey, wait a minute - aren't THEY the party of "family values?) doesn't snap them into appropriate humane action, well, it is time for America to stand up and make things right.

GET OUT THE VOTE - it is the MOST important thing that you can do to save the United States of America!


OMGWTF

(3,941 posts)
39. I love Charlie Pierce. You can listen to him on the Stephanie Miller
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 07:51 PM
Sep 2018

radio show, Tuesdays around 7:30 am PT -- https://www.stephaniemiller.com/ I usually watch/listen on Freespeach TV, but I always set my alarm to make sure I don't miss it. Also, Charlie's columns on Esquire.com are a must-read.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
69. I LOVE Charlie Pierce and also catch him on Steffie's Show
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018

Esquire emails come to me daily and I read Charlie's columns and Jack Holmes daily.

Free Speech TV is so great! Free ROKU channel!!!

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,523 posts)
3. VERY well said, Charles Pierce!
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 05:35 PM
Sep 2018

I tip my hat to your brave, true and honest words.



And thank you so much for posting this, my dear mcar!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,250 posts)
21. Pierce is a national treasure
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:18 PM
Sep 2018

He has been fearlessly denouncing that thing in the White House from the beginning. He doesn't suggest or imply, but rather fires his words straight to the bones of this manufactured monstrosity.


[Edit to add: I see someone else, down the page but earlier in time, beat me to acknowledging treasure status. Should've read the whole page before commenting.]

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
28. I was unfamiliar with the word "quisling" so I looked it up
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:44 PM
Sep 2018
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.

Perfect

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
41. Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian,
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 07:52 PM
Sep 2018

just the kind of (white) people Don Trumpleone says he wants to emigrate to the US.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
53. The real Quisling was worse than that.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:53 PM
Sep 2018

He was a Norwegian politician who sympathized with the Nazis, and with the Nazis' support was able to pull off a coup d'etat by which he made himself the Prime Minister so as to make it possible for the Nazis to invade and occupy Norway (which they wanted for its ports and natural resources).

In other words, he was installed by a foreign power as his country's head of state so that foreign power could control his country. Sound familiar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

titanicdave

(429 posts)
16. Just Beautiful
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018

.....The entire service was amazing, and I loved the jab at #45 that Meghan McCain made when she said words to the effect that we don't need to make America great again as America has ALWAYS been great.......and of course, President Obama hit it out of the park, and even "W" was pretty doggone good......all in all, I think the way that John McCain outlined his service was a perfect fit for giving #45 the middle finger......it was good all the way around.........

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
18. It is a remarkable perspective, more so because Pierce is correct
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:13 PM
Sep 2018

More of America is waking up to this reality, and Trump's influence is waning, the investigations are rolling, and depth of the corruption is increasing in magnitude and public awareness. McCain's careful orchestration has moved us roughly 3 months ahead in awareness. It is a new reality today, one that has changed since a week ago. Love McCain, hate McCain's conservative intransigence, but know that American patriots of all stripes always - always - rally together and march together until the deed is done.

A hearty salute to Sen. John McCain!

hlthe2b

(102,119 posts)
19. When asked the one person he couldn't forgive, Robert McNamera, who whitewashed in 1967
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:14 PM
Sep 2018

the fact that we couldn't win, who knew fully that we would lose, yet pushing forward-- the very year McCain was shot down over Hanoi.

Yeah, I can certainly see that, John.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
22. Pierce's best column ever.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:18 PM
Sep 2018

"Even at the end, John McCain knew what he was doing and he was a fearsome opponent. He wanted a pageant of everything this administration* has trashed and put up for sale, and that's what he got Saturday—a morality play shot through with Shakespearian portent and foreshadowing, a pageant of democracy's vengeance."

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
65. Yep I caught the power of those highlighted words as well
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:58 PM
Sep 2018

Trump and his cabal in Congress and the Executive are very soon to find out how REAL and how RAW that vengeance will be.

I'd say by Valentines Day, if we get control of the Speakership (and the agenda and inquiry power that comes with it).

tazmaniac

(114 posts)
24. I was hoping,
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:22 PM
Sep 2018

as I listened to all of John McCain's eulogies, that they were at least making Ryan, McConnell etal squirm in their seats...but alas I think they have no conscience or moral compass left---I don't think they heard the message at all!!

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
27. EXCELLENT!! Pierce pulls no punches
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 06:41 PM
Sep 2018

I like the asterisk that's seen throughout

(He should have put one after "elected," as well)

Stunning piece. Thank you for posting this


Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
33. No one who watched, even if they only have one ounce of patriotic
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 07:26 PM
Sep 2018

duty left in their cult like blindness, could not but be reminded that we are indeed better than that. While Lieberman was telling McCain’s joke about the two prisoners in the mess line, the camera panned over to Paul Ryan, and l saw a look of fleeting fear flash across his face. Don’t think l imagined it.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
34. Inspiring piece.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 07:28 PM
Sep 2018

I see it as a call to arms and a rallying cry to all of us who knew from the start that the election smelled to high heaven. We need to do all that we can to end this national nightmare! We need to overwhelmingly win in November all across this nation if we are to even be one-eight of the patriot that John McCain was. Patriotism comes in all stripes. It's not just military service. We can serve our country in so many ways.

Let's all of us on DU do whatever we can to make this happen. My heart has been sick since November of 2016. Never in my almost seven decades on this earth have I been so disheartened by what happened to our country and our democracy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
54. Camera / switching focuses on only one point of view at a time. Not everything said is picked up.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:54 PM
Sep 2018

Being a bit facetious about "spies" but only just so much. You can be sure they have their eyes and ears open.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
52. Nice article. It is true that for a moment we have all been back
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:51 PM
Sep 2018

"in a familiar country with familiar customs and manners and norms, a country with institutions built to last."

And, that was a really good feeling, wasn't it?

Texin

(2,590 posts)
59. I felt an emotional catharsis of sorts this morning.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:24 PM
Sep 2018

I have not been so moved in two years - - and that's too, too long.

The eloquence of the former Presidents - and I do include W in that (in an unusually poignant eulogy), as well as the ever eloquent Obama, who both elevated the proceedings. And Megan McCain's rebuke of the thug squatting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was as jarring as it was heartbreaking. I have not felt such emotion in almost two years. Two years. May this all end soon.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
61. And it wasn't that long ago
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 10:36 PM
Sep 2018

At least when we had President Obama. The Rs had already given up any semblance of honor before then.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
64. What an essay!!
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:42 PM
Sep 2018

Charles Pierce explains levels of import that are so evident...after one reads his analysis. Now I understand why we Democrats are so powerfully affected by this death. 💧

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
67. I think that's the reason it's possible to disagree with John McCain but still respect him.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:00 AM
Sep 2018

He represented a shared view of the US. You didn’t like his solutions, but at least you shared his facts. Charles Pierce is a little to generous to the base GOP in Idiot America, but John McCain didn’t share the warm embrace of righteous hooey that the GOP does.

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