Wonder what's happening out in deep space tonight.

[byronius]

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Tremendous things. Other creatures billions of light years away are living and dying, loving and arguing, growing, talking, fighting.

Probably fighting off conservative autocracy in one form or another, because that's what lizard brains do, and probably every life form no matter how unusual has had to go through some type of lizard-brain stage.

Some planets and planetary systems will thrive, some will die off, some will die being born. We're one of them.

Right now. Out there. Can you feel it?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. No, I don't feel it. I don't believe in spooky ESP stuff. But I can imagine their existences. . . nt

[byronius]

4. No 'spooky action at a distance' for you?

All the latest physics I've been reading (especially John Gribbin's Schrodinger's Kittens, holy cow) suggest that we are constantly in instantaneous gravitational equilibrium with every particle in the universe because every particle is broadcasting gravitational waves back through time so they arrive at the exact moment (now) to transmit instantaneous information about themselves to every other particle.

Also -- there may be other information being transmitted using these time-travelling gravitational waves as a carrier signal. Connectivity beyond connectivity between every particle and quantum foam point in the universe.

Also, just the classic quantum phenomenon. Electrons know they're being watched. If you watch them they act differently than when you don't. Consciousness is affecting electrons. Multi-billion dollar industries are based on this now absolutely proven fact.

So, not Extrasensory Perception so much as -- consciousness as a non-local contimuum that is in instantaneous contact everywhere just like particles.

Plain old science. None of that hokey Astrology/Medium/Pentagram stuff.

Just the facts.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. "spooky action at a distance" (quantum entanglement) is a distinct possibility.

Though perhaps not the way you describe it. I've not heard that gravity is involved in instantaneous transmission of information, since gravity is a light-speed limited force and I have not heard of credible reverse-time waves.

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle that you refer to is not conscious electrons. It is merely a statistical artifact of measurements that are small enough or short enough in time that they are near the Planck limits for measurement.

It is rather like what happens when your measuring system is crude. Suppose you are measuring the speed of bullets (to see the effectiveness of different cartridge formulations) and the only way you can measure the speed is by seeing how far they penetrate into a material because you don't have radar or ultrafast video systems. In penetrating and being stopped by the material, the bullet is changed and certainly its velocity is changed.

[byronius]

10. Well, glad we agree on that.

I've been deep into this stuff for the last year because it bears heavily on the novel I'm writing. Gribbins and Dyson have officially freaked me out. Wheeler is responsible for my obsession with conscious particles, and the Chinese recently setting the record (orbital!) for quantum entanglement makes me think more and more that the concept of manipulating quantum descriptors for time-independent travel might be a real technology.

An article from the last decade about the possible discovery of a carrier signal riding gravimetric waves that might mean our entire reality is being programmed from outside our universe is the one that really gets me. If that's true, all of the new ideas may simply be preset to be found and explored. Ooooo, now that's weird. A crew in the Antarctic studying gravimetric waves suffered a 'static' they could not identity, and in the end a prominent physicist flew out to the site to help -- he's the one that suggested it was a reality-programming carrier signal, and planned further work on it. Since then I haven't read anything about it, so maybe it all fizzled.

Consciousness as a non-local continuum has been a steady topic on phys.org. A lot of attention being paid to that idea. We'll see.


Me, I'm primarily a creative artist with a science background. I love speculative fiction, the wilder the better. So please forgive my absolute lack of rigor in these matters -- I'm in it for the art.

[triron]

20. Look up Bell's Theorem.

Also there is a massive amount of experimental study that supports and corroborates the existence of psi.
Physicists are unable so far to integrate 'consciousness' into any known mathematical models of the cosmos.
Collapse of the wave function (described by Schrodinger) seems to require consciousness at some point.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Electrons are not conscious. Many physicists have no trouble integrating consciousness.

Bell's Theorem

About the rest: Consciousness is an emergent property.

Just like biology comes from chemistry comes from physics. Physicists don't have a problem with chemistry or biology. There are some physicists (Penrose) who place consciousness in the quantum particles in the microtubules of neurons, but I strongly feel that is grasping at straws.

Get enough software running on good enough hardware and the system behaves so much like a conscious entity that we have to say it is conscious. Turing Test. The brain is good enough hardware because of the massive number of neurons (10 to 100 billion) and the even more massive number of interconnections coupled with the great range of types and strengths of interconnections.

Consciousness is not binary. There are degrees of sentience. Elephants, humans, and dolphins are highly sentient. Cats and dogs less so. Reptiles less. Octopi a little. Jellyfish not really at all.

Shrodinger's collapse of wave function is not dependent on observation. In reality, a cat is too large to maintain both states for any length of time. Conceptually there would be a probability that the cat would be both alive and dead for some amount of time, but practically you could have had numerous cat boxes throughout the universe and not one would maintain the live-dead simultaneity at any time in the age of the universe so far. The probability would be infinitesimal. All of the quantum particles in the cat would have to be simultaneously indeterminate.

The collapse of the wave function is of practical consequence for individual quantum entities.

[Leith]

12. No, Electrons Don't "Know" They Are Being Watched

Think of what has to be done to "watch" an electron - bounce a light photon (or a series of photons) of of one. For an electron, that changes what it was doing. It was going its merry way when a force knocked it from its path. Here is an anology:

The toddler was not going to stop and sit down right then if there was no cat. The child is the electron, the cat is the photon.

[Blue_true]

14. Not sure I follow your hocus pocus in the post you just made

But I do believe there is an as yet undiscovered primary force in the universe. Some have theorized it as anti gravity, but I can't agree with that, my analysis says that it is a unique force with it's very own origin point, and it acts on and between every piece of mattering the universe and beyond. A little bit of my hocus pocus.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. There could be a fifth fundamental force. By analogy it'd require super powerful energies to see.

The four fundamental forces we know (electro-magnetic, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and gravity) require stronger and stronger forces to see (think "atom smashers" and super-colliders). As you go up in energy one by one the forces are united. The electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces have been united as "electro-weak" above 100 GeV.

There could easily be a fifth force not yet properly seen by humans. It could be behind "dark matter" and "dark energy". It could be inflating space (which has been observed).

[Blue_true]

24. You are right about the force causing what is seen as dark matter and dark energy.

It's effect should create the illusion of both. I think that it is also partly responsible for orbits of celestial bodies and their spacing from each other, as well as spacing of star systems from eachother.
Some scientists theorize that Gravity is not a primary force of the Universe, but instead is a derivative of the Strong Force. Also, on the last paper by the great British astrophysicist that died recently, he presented an argument that there are many universes and that our's is just one of many. If that proves out, then fundamental forces will have a more expansive origin than a universe, the question would be whether their basic form change as a celestial body gets larger.
Interesting stuff. I see why people are more instrested in exploring space than our oceans. First we "see" space a lot, second, there is just so much unknown out there in space.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

2. In an alternate universe, an entire planet is watching "The Hangover 3" and laughing.

And Zach Galifianakis is President.

Oh, the memories of when we had a real President:



The PANIC button is a nice touch.

[LakeSuperiorView]

9. Any story that hangs on people laughing at the Hangover movies is too far fetched to read...

[MFM008]

3. The truth is put there

Indeed.

[anarch]

5. I struggle with the phrase "right now" when talking about large regions of space-time

but I do wonder if we might someday be confronted with indisputable evidence of life-forms reasonably similar to our own existing in our "local" neighborhood, let's arbitrarily say within a radius of about fifty light-years. Astronomers are discovering more exoplanets all the time...I would be thrilled to be alive if and when humanity is forced to objectively realize that we're just part of a larger whole, and not the be-all and end-all of existence, and the ultimate expression of life and intelligence, etc. I feel like a bit of humility would be good for the species as a whole.

[byronius]

11. A friend of my son's who works for NOAA says he thinks we're alone.

Says this reality is being generated for our edification or entertainment, and that the vastness of space is a complete illusion that only becomes real when we travel out into it.

I listened. It's an interesting if solipsistic concept.

[Blue_true]

15. One of the true marvels of the Galaxy.

Is that our "local" neighborhood is vast in terms of distance. The vastness simply currently overwhelms our capacity to even remotely traverse it. I have said before, if we are found by another species of beings that have traversed light years to reach us, I hope like hell that I am either dead then, or that they are peaceful.

[True Dough]

7. The Alien Kardashians and Alien Taylor Swifts

are raking in the big Alien dollars somewhere out there.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. In Bizarro World both would be skinny meth freaks, but, yeah, still raking it in.

[Brother Buzz]

13. Has the Golden Age of Radio reached our nearest neighbors yet?

Asking for a friend.

[Blue_true]

16. No.

If you are talking about the two Voyager craft, their nuclear power source will run out long before they traverse one light year, which at their speed takes hundreds of thousands of years, due to them not having the capacity to continuously accelerate.

[Brother Buzz]

17. I was thinking of the big the radio programs from the twenties thru the forties....

I understand radio waves travel at the speed of light.

[Blue_true]

19. I don't know. But the waves should be beyond our local part of the Galaxy by now.

Even if other beings detected them, they would have to figure out where they came from. Earth scientists have been analyzing strange radio waves coming to Earth, maybe other beings got our signal, figured out where it came from approximately and are trying to communicate with us. Communication between beings of two different worlds is not as simple as science Fi movies make it seem.

[yuiyoshida]

18. Hey! I have been to one of those worlds...its called...

Monster Hunter World!

And I love it!!!!!!!!!!

[smirkymonkey]

23. This is a job for SPACE FORCE!