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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYes, Robert Mueller will get Trump.
Mueller is smarter than Trump and his people are motivated to get him and his crowd. Maybe Trump will not go to prison, but at some point Mueller will get him to resign. Mueller is not new to "getting them." He knows Trump's total story of collusion and treason. (whatever you want to call it) He has gotten the lower crooks, and is after the kingpins. (and he has gotten "kingpins" before.)
....Yes, it may take more time than we want. And it will be very ugly. But in the end, I honestly believe Mueller will get Trump as well as the rest of the crowd. (and if Mueller is fired by Trump, the next one, whoever that is, will get him too.)
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,960 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Away from the crowd. With his family.. Some books and favorite music or whatever. He will have completed, and is doing the U.S.A. a great service.
onlyadream
(2,165 posts)And we get to read Muelles book, or see his interviews.
And the movie, cant wait for that!!!
MariaCSR
(642 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,960 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)to head such an historically unusual and complicated case could actually be exhilarating. That's one of the reasons I think he'll do an amazing job.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)There are so many different cases coming down the pike and many are from the state of New York. Just the charity fraud alone should land him in jail.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Mueller,the IRS,and the State of New York. Then California will only have the Debts to pick over.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)just by his actions and reactions to what the Investigators next rock is turned over. I said from the out set,Trump so called Foundation is nothing more than a Pozi. Once someone breaks the Tax Returns,baby,it will be Liquidation or Donnies water glass gets Putin's special treatment.
Either way,the Trump family will be broke.
BTW,wonder if that 26 million from the so called Inaugural slush fund was Melania's Divorce Money. Interesting.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)His kids will find a tough job market when they get out of prison.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)He would still be on the streets and he is such a slimy POS that he might be able to continue his evil. No, he must be imprisoned.
leanforward
(1,076 posts)But, we all will have to pickup the Trump/GOP fiscal management.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Democratic Governance to clean this mess up. With the Courts packed by the Thugs,it will take the full eight to get us back on track. It is the Recession lurking as a result of what is happening as we speak,that will take it's toll.
Said this before,the GOP will be out of power for five generations if the Dems take over this fall.
gordianot
(15,234 posts)Never mind he is already broke but loss of status wealthy Trump will break him.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)Not even remotely enough votes in the Senate. He'll face Justice when he's out of office. Hopefully.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)Its the conviction by the Senate that is unlikely.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)People dont understand the process, I stopped taking the time to clarify after doing it dozens of times.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)To get rid of him If they lose the house. If it's a constant flow of major scandals political pressure could build to a fever pitch causing the leadership to tell everyone to impeach. Not saying it's likely but we don't know what is coming down the pike. It could get really bad for Trump.
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-impeach-trump-midterm-elections-770904
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)they are petulant children, literally.
Cruz, Rubio, and ENDLESS stream of these idiots talked big turing the primary, then kissed his ass/ring. They were going to take him out at the convention, this is a redline, that is a redline. We LONG ago passed the point where they are now just simply rolling over to him.
Senate Rs were all big about keeping Sessions safe 6 months ago - they are throwing him to the wolves now.
The bottom line is they all fear nothing more than their beloved, crazed "base" and 45 took them from them, and they know so much as not kissing his ass will have them turn on them.
You WILL see more democrats who don't have the stomach to vote for impeachment than you will see Rs who vote for it - if it comes to it.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)Red state Democrats aren't going to vote to convict unless they know there are enough Republicans voting with them to guarantee conviction. Senators like Manchin, Donnelly, McCaskill (this is if they win reelection in Nov) would never vote to convict unless they were 100 percent certain that Trump was going to be gone, because casting a vote to convict Trump in a red state is political suicide.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)probably think long and hard about ramming their cars into a median driving to work that day to avoid taking the vote ...
at140
(6,110 posts)because every week that goes by, dotard is appointing judges which can last 30 years, dismantling so many environmental regulations, imposing tariffs on allies, giving excessive tax breaks to Billionaires, allowing more dirty coal mining, moving embassies to piss off Muslims, and will spend next two months campaigning instead of working using Air Force One.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Gut instinct of mine. Have a friend who is neighbor of his, ran into Mueller myself downtown DC one afternoon.
This, in the end, will be one hell uf a story...
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)IF Ds don't at least take the House in two months, and even then it is likely to get pretty damn ugly.
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NBachers
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They're such bumbling fumble-fingered boobs that they'll leave a trail behind, and get into even bigger trouble.
bucolic_frolic
(43,058 posts)Has anyone inquired?
former9thward
(31,941 posts)Its in the Constitution. It goes to the U.S. Treasury. It is how the U.S. financed most of its government operations until the income tax was passed in 1913.
bucolic_frolic
(43,058 posts)public lands, oil leases, federal contracts? Sorry, I'm thinking you're being more than a little naive. Nothing is working the way it's supposed to these days, in case you haven't noticed.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)that they apparently went into this presidency thinking their criminal empire would not be exposed, and that they and the empire would come out of it intact.
That's the epitome of stoooopid........ ......
bucolic_frolic
(43,058 posts)will be remembered together with our greatest icons because not since the Revolutionary War has America faced a foreign adversary on our own soil intent on conquering every last one of us.
Magoo48
(4,698 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)He realizes either Trump or Pence can inflict serious harm onto the country and his beloved GOP, he may be counting on Cheeto's bumbling childish incompetence, and in fear of Pence's more serious, measured insidiousness to be held in check by a blue house next year.
I don't believe there is a good way out of this except balance it out and hope their curmudgeon court nominee gets held in suspense till the congress gets flipped.
If he had the good in their entirety he would have laid them out.
The issue is the scope of the illegal activity and malfeasance. This is an international conspiracy he is working to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, and honestly, he may never be able to wrap up the obstruction aspect of it as long as this moron is in office.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)he will do himself in. He will never spend a day in prison nor be around to witness the destruction of his empire, be it earned or stolen.
In his mind, he is above that.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)At his age, I am not sure hed respond to therapy. Of course, ole Thumb Face would be president pending appeals of El Duces Ts removal.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)He will desperately grasp on as long as he can. I don't see how he faces justice while in office, he will not be fully impeached, so he won't be charged until after he is out of office. Now, he is likely to go completely off the rails, like Pacino in the final scene of Scarface if it comes to that, it could get pretty ugly.
If he leaves office without any kind of absurdity, he will try to abscond to mother Russia.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)No direct tapes. Not enough squealing. Republican Party 2018 would ignore or excuse anything.
I don't care about details. People who obsess over details have to justify the time expenditure, so their conclusions are overboard in the direction of the slant from people presenting the details.
All I care about is the big picture, which points to a presidency with too much power and extraordinarily difficult to remove from office.
It is clear as day - they will NEVER have the votes in the senate to remove him via impeachment, frankly, it will take a significant margin in the House to get articles, because there will be more Ds who don't have the guts to make that vote than Rs who will (and you will be lucky if there is one R who would).
They only way he faces justice is IF we can beat him in 2020, and even then, if he loses, it could get VERY, VERY ugly. And, if he leaves office without to much of a fuss, he will likely run to mother russia. But, that all depends on him actually losing.
sandensea
(21,603 posts)Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein, and probably several other "disloyal" officials besides.
He'll then will replace them, of course, with toadies.
If we don;t win either house (and preferably both), the Rotten Orange will get away scot free.
been saying this for over a year now.
IF we don't at least win the House, in their (45 and the GOP) sick minds it will validate them, and we have not seen the worst that they will do (not even close).
Last stand ...
Thekaspervote
(32,707 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,710 posts)Trump is likely to be far more impervious to efforts to get him to resign than Nixon was. No sense of shame and his psychology, especially the megalomania, will make him likely to believe he should be president for life.
I think that may be true, except his desire to avoid impeachment or other federal trial that could lead to forfeiture of all his ill-gotten gains may be his point of vulnerability, where he could be leveraged into resigning in exchange for amnesty or partial amnesty.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)given the state of the republican party (and the twitch, nervousness of the democratic party).
People romanticize what they did with Nixon, they drug it out back then, too, but there was a breaking point and some level of honor kicked in.
There is literally no honor left in that party.
They are scared shitless of the "base" that 45 took from them AND are most of the leadership is compromised by Russia in a way that would have been inconceivable to anyone in this country in the early 70s.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)and it's possible some crazy shit could come out on tape plus all the other scandals including charity fraud, money laundering etc.. Trump's approval rating could drop below 30%. The economy could turn south and just relying on the base won't be enough. You are probably right but I have a feeling there is going to be so much criminal wrongdoing start breaking, the GOP will start to feel the heat and by leaving him in they could do damage to the GOP that lasts for years and years. Party leaders will have to make an important decision sooner or later.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)He NEVER has backed down or acquiesced, further he now is in a position where he needs the presidency to protect himself from justice.
This is MUCH more likely to end with complete and total chaos getting him out of the white house than him resigning.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)40/60 and I think
I'm being generous.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)But, this whole investigation is trying to unravel a huge web of corruption that spans the US, Russia and the former Soviet Union. It's an organized crime investigation on steroids. Craig Unger's book just gives a taste of what Mueller and his team have before them.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)One idea that I have about Mueller and his team is this: "That is exactly what the team is after, the Trump huge web of corruption." With experts in all aspects of "corruption" the team will not stop till they get that, "Organized Crime Cabal"..That is their purpose. They are obviously working on that idea one conviction at a time. And it will take time, more time than we want, but I do believe that Mueller will get them..All of them in one way or another.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)I hope Mueller gets him, but i wont hold my breath.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I'm not sure he's going to get trump.
Folks almost seem to believe Mueller is anti-trump and is bent on destroying him. I'm not so sure.
I learned my lesson with Fitzgerald waking up several times just about every night for months checking DU to see if they locked bush and cheney up. Nope, nothing in the end. Again, hope I'm wrong.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)ever imagine, let alone do anything about. Mueller won't even have to be around to bring Trump down. The wheels are in motion.