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Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 08:58 PM Sep 2018

Now that we're in a Constitutional Crisis...

... could I just say, "We were warned?"

After the disaster of the 2016 election, people were fond of criticizing Hillary Clinton for saying too much criticizing Trump, and not delivering a clear message -- which is ridiculous to begin with. But now it's obvious that she was right to warn -- in no uncertain terms -- that Donald Trump is completely unfit for the office, in every way.

I hope it's clear to the punditry now that she was making a crucially important point. Sorry to the deplorables who thought "build a wall" was a policy proposal, and that "lock her up" was being polite.

Just sayin'.

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Now that we're in a Constitutional Crisis... (Original Post) Sparkly Sep 2018 OP
We aren't in a constitutional crisis. Not yet. manor321 Sep 2018 #1
What is the ready solution? Sparkly Sep 2018 #3
Nope, we're in a constitutional crisis Spider Jerusalem Sep 2018 #8
Absolutely, we're in a Constitutional crisis. Dave Starsky Sep 2018 #10
The emoluments clause stuff is small potatoes in comparison to his fundamental unfitness (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Sep 2018 #11
Oh, absolutely. Dave Starsky Sep 2018 #13
This POS bdamomma Sep 2018 #2
But, But . . . peggysue2 Sep 2018 #4
I couldn't agree more. Sparkly Sep 2018 #5
Hey Sparkly! peggysue2 Sep 2018 #6
I believe that definitions long held don't apply now for one reason.. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #7
Hiya Sparkly, nice to see you. Yes we are in crisis, and yes we were warned... Hekate Sep 2018 #9
Hey! Sparkly Sep 2018 #14
Obama: Trump couldn't get a job at 7-Eleven dalton99a Sep 2018 #12
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
1. We aren't in a constitutional crisis. Not yet.
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 09:04 PM
Sep 2018

That term is overused. Yes, we are in dangerous times with a president attempting to precipitate a constitutional crisis, but it hasn't happened yet.

I like Josh Marshall's definition of the term: "...a threat to the rule of law and adherence to the constitution which the constitution itself does not provide a ready solution to..."

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
3. What is the ready solution?
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

I'm not a legal or constitutional scholar. But if the president is an "un-indicted co-conspirator," with public proof of obstruction, financial crimes, campaign finance violations, all WHILE under investigation for potential conspiracy with a hostile foreign government to subvert our democratic process; and for whatever reasons the Congress is negligent in its duty to check him, the voting system is poisoned, campaign finance is run amok and we don't yet know what Russia found on Republican congress critters; and it's fully possible that the president could, with complicity of Congress, overthrow the rule of law completely.

We are on the brink of not being able to stop it.

Is that not a constitutional crisis?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. Nope, we're in a constitutional crisis
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 11:34 PM
Sep 2018

we have a president whose cabinet recognises him as unfit and incapable, who actively undermine and subvert him to "protect the Republic", as one of them put it, but who have thus far opted to not pull the 25th Amendment trigger, and a badly gerrymandered Republican Congress that refuses to do its job of executive oversight. If that's not a constitutional crisis, I'm not sure what is.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
10. Absolutely, we're in a Constitutional crisis.
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 11:58 PM
Sep 2018

He's been violating the Emoluments Clause since day one. We pay him and his company millions of dollars every weekend for him to drive his little golf cart around his own golf resorts. Congress has abdicated its Constitutional responsibility to put a stop to that shit. If that alone is not a Constitutional crisis, I don't know what is.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
4. But, But . . .
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

He was such great TV.

Now? Not so much with the crazy hanging out for all to see, the ones who refused to see before and the ones who cannot see at all.

Hillary tried to warn everyone. To no avail because . . . her emails.

Shame on anyone who bought that load of horseshit. We're living with the consequences of mass blindness and rank stupidity.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
6. Hey Sparkly!
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 09:23 PM
Sep 2018
back. Infuriating, isn't it? We could have so easily avoided this disaster. And had an excellent President to boot. Instead, we have . . .

The Mental Patient.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
7. I believe that definitions long held don't apply now for one reason..
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 09:34 PM
Sep 2018

...and that is that the branch of government expected by those who wrote the definitions to be a check on the executive is abdicating its duty. New rules, now.

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