Are we prepared for R cheating in Nov, and the MSM meme that "the polls were wrong...again?"

[stopbush]

Because that is going to be a factor this fall.

I hope the DNC and major donors are ready to step up to demand- and where necessary, pay for - recounts in every close election across the land. We know the Rs are going to cheat. Hell, they conspired with Putin in 2016! What began as a strategic reality has seeped into the DNA of the R Party.

They now cheat because it’s in their nature to cheat.

We need to get vocal about this when it happens, because it will happen.

[Honeycombe8]

1. I'm worried about that. WE aren't the ones in control.

Except some voting systems in Democratic or purple areas.

And I guess the FBI is doing what it can. I don't trust the DOJ to do anything to protect the election.

One thing we have a chance of doing that is unlike 2016 is...we KNOW about the extent of it, now. So we CAN get a strong enough win that it overcomes the cheating factor.

I think Trump won in 2016 because the race was close in some key swing districts. That's why Trump was surprised, too. He believed, IMO, that he would lose even with the rigging going on, because he and everyone else thought Hillary would have a strong win.

But I don't think the Democrats have enough power on their own to combat the cheating. The Repubs in Congress have not done anything to protect the country, which means they want the cheating to protect them in the mid-terms.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. Yes. There will tons of trouble with voting.

[CentralMass]

3. My memory is fuzzy but when this site got hacked there were lots of reports of results being posted

from around the country with Hillary looking good being posted Then it was almost like the GOP turned on their dialavote machine and the momentum "changed".
It's as if someone didn't want reports from the ground about voter turnout or illegal activities and voter suppression going on.

Oh well it didn't smell right and at the very least there was some obvious voter suppression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/?utm_term=.06fd0029865c

"This was the first presidential election since conservatives on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, which allowed Republican-controlled states to pass a series of measures meant to suppress the votes of those who were likely to vote Democratic, particularly African Americans, Latinos and college students. In some of those states on which Trump built his victories, Republican-designed voter suppression laws, including ID mandates, limits on early voting and a reduction in polling locations, seem to have had their intended effect. "

[Hoyt]

4. We've won several key elections since 2016. Why? We voted.

[mythology]

5. Except the polls weren't wrong in 2016

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/315145-one-last-look-2016-polls-actually-got-a-lot-right

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.

National polling did much better in 2016 than in 2012, when the average of the final polls in the contest between President Obama and GOP nominee Mitt Romney was off by more than 3 points. Polls showed Obama winning the popular vote by only seven-tenths of a point, and on Election Day he captured a wider 3.9-point vote margin.

So can we please stop the nonsense that the polls were wrong?

[cos dem]

6. Exactly. People seem to think polls are an exact predictor of outcome.

Polls are an estimate (estimate being the key word) of a statistical quantity, which means the exact value remains unknown. A single poll tells you nothing unless you can also estimate the biases, and likely aggregate it into a larger model. Even then, you can only produce a "likely outcome", not a guarantee. 538 had something like 67% chance of Clinton getting elected, which meant a 33% (that is 1/3) of dumbass. If I had a 1/3 chance of winning the lottery, I'd be ecstatic.

[CentralMass]

7. However voter turnout plunged.

[Squinch]

8. No, we are not prepared. And it WILL happen. They've gotten into the voting systems

of dozens of states. They didn't do that to sight-see. They did that so they can change votes.

Yes, to all who say no votes were changed, I know you think that. I don't believe there is any reason to believe that. However, I KNOW there is no reason to believe that they are not planning to change votes in the future.