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Mon Sep 10, 2018, 10:52 AM

If "Anonymous" is correct

and Trump has to be managed 24-7-365 due to his erratic/unstable/ignorant behavior and he is not functionally in charge of the Office of the Presidency and/or capable of discharging his responsibilities, then we essentially now have an UNELECTED "Shadow Government" running the country (a la Mar a Lago) with Trump as a more-or-less figurehead. HOW is this acceptable? How it is acceptable that he is appointing Supreme Court Justices? Where is Veep Mike Pence and what is he doing about this madcap situation we are reportedly in? We are *supposed* to have Constitutional remedies for this sort of thing but nobody is using them!

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Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 OP
scheming daemons Sep 2018 #1
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #2
ChoppinBroccoli Sep 2018 #3
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #5
Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #8
marlakay Sep 2018 #4
Turbineguy Sep 2018 #6
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #7
jalan48 Sep 2018 #9
Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #12
lame54 Sep 2018 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #11
90-percent Sep 2018 #13
Garrett78 Sep 2018 #14
TommyCelt Sep 2018 #15

Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 10:54 AM

1. It isn't acceptable. But ironically, it is better than if Trump *WAS* running things 100%.


Bad situation: Unelected Shadow Government running things.
Worse situation: Donald Trump running things.


Better situation: Dems take back at least one chamber of congress and can begin extreme oversight of the executive branch.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 10:59 AM

2. Yeah

I begrudgingly concede your points. All of this is just insane.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:10 AM

3. The Founding Fathers Never Envisioned A Lapdog Congress

When the Constitution was written, the Founding Fathers envisioned that the three branches of government would always be (for lack of a better term) "at war" with each other, constantly trying to check and balance the power of the others. They probably never even conceived of the idea of a lapdog Congress whose only goal was to give ALL power to the President simply because he was a member of their "party." In fact, political parties weren't even a thing at the time the Constitution was written. And when they started to emerge soon after, a lot of the Founding Fathers roundly criticized the idea.

So, in response to your statement, we ARE supposed to have Constitutional remedies to all these problems, and those remedies rest in the hands of Congress. The problem is this Congress won't use them. So what do you do when the Congress (meant to be a REPRESENTATIVE body) no longer REPRESENTS their constituents?

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:19 AM

5. That's the Million Dollar Question

to which there is, as yet, no answer.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:56 AM

8. founding fathers assumed that the populace would take care of an errant congress...

...and if the populace allows congress to remain errant, then the "errancy" is the will of the people, presumably.

Except. gerrymandering and Citizens United. That skewed the balance of powers.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:15 AM

4. I read Veep and T having lunch

Alone today. It was pretty much only thing on his schedule other than his briefing.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:28 AM

6. Wait a minute...... !

having an un-elected shadow government.......

Isn't that like...... a "Deep State?"

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:30 AM

7. Hmmmmm...........

You might be on to something there.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 01:18 PM

9. The Reagan & Bush Jr. Administrations were similar IMHO. It seems to be part of the Republican

strategy for governance.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 01:50 PM

12. Similar? How?

I know "W" was incurious and somewhat of a slacker but he *seemed* to be in charge of things and didn't have to have staff "babysit" him. I know Reagan- in the later years- was possibly out of it due to Alzheimer's but, still, the situation with Trump seems to be an extreme unprecedented situation.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 01:20 PM

10. Mike pence is busy criticizing Obama for daring to speak in public

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 01:21 PM

11. Why Mattis & Kelly lie to stay in their positions. Power & think they are doing us a favor. . nt

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:00 PM

13. Five or six decades

Five or six decades of wealthy sociopaths slowly but deliberately engineering ways to insure more for them by extraction schemes to distribute wealth ever upwards. Money is speech and political bribery is legal. Has brought our very Democracy and the dreams of our Founding Fathers WELL PAST the breaking point.

And this Kavenaugh coat hanger corporate suckling is favored by Americans at about 60-40%????


I mean, just what the fucking fuck?


-90% Jimmy

We no longer have the institutional checks and balances of the Watergate era. The WW2 generation that ran things back then sure as hell knew what Democracy was all about and they practiced it. AND LOVED IT.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2018, 02:36 PM

14. The Federalist Society is nominating justices, not Trump.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 02:55 PM

15. If "Anonymous" is correct...

...this will make an already unhinged paranoid trump that much more paranoid and unhinged. All lip service to legislation will disappear in preference to 100% executive orders.

Worse, this is tossing red meat to the Q-anon deep-staters, as a shadow government pretty much affirms their paranoia. There's no way this ends good, and I don't think it ends without bloodshed no matter what the intentions of "Anonymous" were.

One wonders why the source stepped forward now.

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