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Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:58 PM Sep 2018

Women's Tennis Associations Stand Behind Serena Williams Following Debacle With Umpire

BREANNA EDWARDS Sep, 10, 2018
It’s not news anymore that Serena Williams was treated unfairly by umpire Carlos Ramos during the U.S. Open final on Saturday.

The staggering amount of penalties that Williams received throughout the game that ended in a $17,000 fine, all because she stood up for herself and showed passions that are regularly displayed by most professionals but rarely accepted coming from Black women was shocking and filled with misogynoir…something that Serena herself called out with class, not only while she was on court, but afterward during the press conference.

“You definitely can’t go back in time,” she said at the time, “but I can’t sit here and say I wouldn’t say [Ramos’] a thief because I thought he took a game from me. But I’ve seen other men call other umpires several things.”

“And I’m here fighting for women’s rights and for women’s equality and for all kinds of stuff. And for me to say ‘thief’ and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark,” she added. “He’s never took a game from a man because they said ‘thief.’ For me it blows my mind. But I’m going to continue to fight for women and to fight for us to have equal [rights].”

More: https://www.essence.com/news/womens-tennis-associations-stand-behind-serena-williams-following-debacle-with-umpire/

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Women's Tennis Associations Stand Behind Serena Williams Following Debacle With Umpire (Original Post) Quixote1818 Sep 2018 OP
International Tennis Federation defends Carlos Tursiops Sep 2018 #1
Coaching from the sidelines is a scourge on the game of tennis! Demit Sep 2018 #4
Chris Everett tweeted yesterday it is a stupid rule and needs to be axed obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #5
No kidding. Demit Sep 2018 #7
Yep. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #8
Of course they did. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #17
Serena is an abuser trying to justify her abuse of the umpire Renew Deal Sep 2018 #2
Tennis players life and livelihood depends on winning. DURHAM D Sep 2018 #3
I don't think you can make a claim Serena Williams needed the win to pay her mortgage mythology Sep 2018 #13
He is an experienced umpire. Highly experienced. cwydro Sep 2018 #28
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #6
Umps & refs always get challenged, it's part of the game. Abuse? yeah, if you're a black female. AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2018 #10
Speaking as someone sarisataka Sep 2018 #11
Who generally admires acting like a spoiled toddler? mythology Sep 2018 #14
From the posts on this site whistler162 Sep 2018 #37
No, it's about fairness. whistler162, nobody is admiring bad behavior. There's a big difference. nt AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2018 #40
No, it's about fairness. mythology, nobody is admiring bad behavior. There's a big difference. nt AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2018 #41
W. T. F. we can do it Sep 2018 #12
Common tactic for silencing outspoken women Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #15
This Is A Great Column BY Sally Jenkins....Long But Worth It Me. Sep 2018 #9
Serena could not Let It Go... elias7 Sep 2018 #33
I Disagree Me. Sep 2018 #35
We're you watching? Poor girl couldn't look Serena in the eyes elias7 Sep 2018 #42
I Did Watch Me. Sep 2018 #43
Selective enforcement enables discrimination. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #16
Oh please. The referee was so "racist and sexist" that he.... threw the game to another black woman? redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #18
Asian woman. nt LexVegas Sep 2018 #19
She is mixed. Her mother is Japanese and her father is Haitian. redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #21
You didn't say that though, did you? nt LexVegas Sep 2018 #22
I called her "black", which is exactly as accurate as calling Obama "black". redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #23
She's Asian. nt LexVegas Sep 2018 #24
Nice job minimizing Naomi Osaka! whistler162 Sep 2018 #38
Another wealthy athlete not happy with something mokawanis Sep 2018 #20
I look forward to a future hearing more about Naomi Osaka than Williams. miyazaki Sep 2018 #25
I am glad that this group is backing Ms. S. Williams Gothmog Sep 2018 #26
With all this publicity, a rematch would be highly anticipated. earthshine Sep 2018 #27
Osaka beat her. She outplayed Serena. cwydro Sep 2018 #29
I didn't say "do-over." I didn't say "needed." I said "rematch." nt earthshine Sep 2018 #30
Maybe next year. cwydro Sep 2018 #31
What's so funny? The purpose of your two responses escapes me. nt earthshine Sep 2018 #32
Doesnt escape me...very clear what is going on...cant say out loud of course. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #36
Doubt it. One sided match... elias7 Sep 2018 #34
Attorney @mayawiley on Serena Williams and an "intersection of stereotypes" Gothmog Sep 2018 #39

Tursiops

(89 posts)
1. International Tennis Federation defends Carlos
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:15 PM
Sep 2018

[link:https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/45477764|





"She later said it was "sexist" to have been penalised a game.

The International Tennis Federation said Carlos Ramos acted "at all times with professionalism and integrity".

An ITF statement said: "It is understandable that this high-profile and regrettable incident should provoke debate. At the same time, it is important to remember that Mr Ramos undertook his duties as an official according to the relevant rule book.

"Mr Ramos' decisions were in accordance with the relevant rules and were reaffirmed by the US Open's decision to fine Ms Williams for the three offences."

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
4. Coaching from the sidelines is a scourge on the game of tennis!
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:40 PM
Sep 2018

The rules against it must be enforced!!!!!

If only the umps would get together & decide to enforce it all the time. THEN it might be relevant. Except the fact that it isn't enforced all the time proves it isn't.

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
5. Chris Everett tweeted yesterday it is a stupid rule and needs to be axed
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

Because 1. it is a stupid rule, and 2. it is enforced very subjectively.

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
3. Tennis players life and livelihood depends on winning.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

Unfortunately they step onto a court where an amateur who can't really get in many hours of practice at being a umpire, particularly in a high stress situation, and who has guidelines for much of what happens instead of rules so their judgment calls are totally that... subjective judgment.

How would you respond to those obvious errors in judgment that takes away money, status, wins?

Have you played a lot of competitive tennis? If you haven't you have no idea what it is like to be a professional player judged by someone without any real skills.






 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. I don't think you can make a claim Serena Williams needed the win to pay her mortgage
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

Acting like a blithering idiot is far too common among sports players.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
28. He is an experienced umpire. Highly experienced.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 12:26 PM
Sep 2018

He is known for being a stickler for the rules.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,225 posts)
10. Umps & refs always get challenged, it's part of the game. Abuse? yeah, if you're a black female.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:34 PM
Sep 2018

Generally it's admired, and seen as standing your ground, not getting pushed around, "make them think twice about future calls", part of the intense push back of the game. Generally it's admired.

sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
11. Speaking as someone
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:46 PM
Sep 2018

Who refereed soccer for over 20 years, I can't say I ever admired anyone who argued calls. I understood sometimes players did have a dispute with a call not believing it had crossed the line into a foul. If they presented themselves respectfully they got respect in return along with an explanation of how I saw it and what the appropriate penalty was in my judgment according to the laws of the game. As the level of play went up however much more of the argument became gamesmanship and even blatant fouls would be argued.

It was very rare at the end of a game a referee ever gets complimented. Many people will give their opinion how you are far too lenient on calls will many others will give their opinion that you should " let them play" and not be calling so many fouls. It's a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.

One valid point however is evenness of calling. A referee can have an absolutely awful game but still be considered "fair" as long as the calls are awful both ways. Within the same level of competition players should expect calls to go the same way. Naturally I would call a game differently for a u-9 than I would for NCAA varsity however the following game at each level the player should have the expectation of seeing the same judgment and calls.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. Who generally admires acting like a spoiled toddler?
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018

I see an athlete doing this and all I see is someone who needs to grow up.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
37. From the posts on this site
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:11 PM
Sep 2018

alot of people are admiring Serena Williams and her history of bad bahavior.

Reader Rabbit

(2,621 posts)
15. Common tactic for silencing outspoken women
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018
You're the bully silencing tactic

You're the bully is a silencing tactic sometimes used against people making complaints. Like You're the sexist, it attempts to turn around accusations of bad behaviour on the person who was originally the victim of it or is calling it out.

...bullying is about power, and is generally understood to be something that occurs when people with more power exert it over those with less. The stereotypical schoolyard bully is a large, physically strong kid who picks on smaller, weaker ones. Bullying can also occur on other axes of power and oppression. For instance, people who are members of marginalised groups (LGBT people, people with disabilities, people of racial minorities) are often bullied by those not in those groups, and those who have large and vocal power structures behind them(IE popular internet figures or those entrenched in zealous religious or political groups).

Me.

(35,454 posts)
9. This Is A Great Column BY Sally Jenkins....Long But Worth It
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 09:16 PM
Sep 2018

“Chair umpire Carlos Ramos managed to rob not one but two players in the women’s U.S. Open final. Nobody has ever seen anything like it: An umpire so wrecked a big occasion that both players, Naomi Osaka and Serena Williams alike, wound up distraught with tears streaming down their faces during the trophy presentation and an incensed crowd screamed boos at the court. Ramos took what began as a minor infraction and turned it into one of the nastiest and most emotional controversies in the history of tennis, all because he couldn’t take a woman speaking sharply to him.

Williams abused her racket, but Ramos did something far uglier: He abused his authority. Champions get heated — it’s their nature to burn. All good umpires in every sport understand that the heart of their job is to help temper the moment, to turn the dial down, not up, and to be quiet stewards of the event rather than to let their own temper play a role in determining the outcome. Instead, Ramos made himself the chief player in the women’s final. He marred Osaka’s first Grand Slam title and one of Williams’s last bids for all-time greatness. Over what? A tone of voice. Male players have sworn and cursed at the top of their lungs, hurled and blasted their equipment into shards, and never been penalized as Williams was in the second set of the U.S. Open final.”…cont…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tennis/at-us-open-power-of-serena-williams-and-naomi-osaka-is-overshadowed-by-an-umpires-power-play/2018/09/08/edbf46c8-b3b4-11e8-a20b-5f4f84429666_story.html?utm_term=.dc1ff9c25103

elias7

(3,976 posts)
33. Serena could not Let It Go...
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 03:23 PM
Sep 2018

Lousy calls from refs and umpires really suck, but they happen. To men, to women, to blacks, to whites. All sports...

She exhibited poor sportsmanship and was the main piece taking away Osaka’s glorious moment. I think Osaka was stunned and appalled by Serena’s behavior more than anything else.

elias7

(3,976 posts)
42. We're you watching? Poor girl couldn't look Serena in the eyes
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:21 PM
Sep 2018

Assuming you watched the whole thing unfold, I respect your different take on it, though I would appreciate a little more discussion...

Reader Rabbit

(2,621 posts)
16. Selective enforcement enables discrimination.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:16 AM
Sep 2018

What happened to Serena was basically the tennis equivalent of "driving while black." An official who wanted to put an "uppity" member of a traditionally marginalized group used a sporadically enforced rule to do so. When Serena rightfully called him on it—as any feminist sick of the patriarchy and its petty BS would do—he penalized her again.

If you follow women's athletics of any stripe, you've seen this type of behavior from officials far, far too often.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
18. Oh please. The referee was so "racist and sexist" that he.... threw the game to another black woman?
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:29 AM
Sep 2018

What is being lost in all of this is that Osaka's story in this tournament may be far more interesting than that of Serena Willimas. But now we aren't hearing it because of the ego trips of certain people.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
23. I called her "black", which is exactly as accurate as calling Obama "black".
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:54 AM
Sep 2018

Black Haitians are, for the most part, descendants of African slaves.

mokawanis

(4,434 posts)
20. Another wealthy athlete not happy with something
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:33 AM
Sep 2018

I can think of 10,000 other things more important to me

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
27. With all this publicity, a rematch would be highly anticipated.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

It would be watched by many more than this US Open.

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