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BREANNA EDWARDS Sep, 10, 2018
Its not news anymore that Serena Williams was treated unfairly by umpire Carlos Ramos during the U.S. Open final on Saturday.
The staggering amount of penalties that Williams received throughout the game that ended in a $17,000 fine, all because she stood up for herself and showed passions that are regularly displayed by most professionals but rarely accepted coming from Black women was shocking and filled with misogynoir
something that Serena herself called out with class, not only while she was on court, but afterward during the press conference.
You definitely cant go back in time, she said at the time, but I cant sit here and say I wouldnt say [Ramos] a thief because I thought he took a game from me. But Ive seen other men call other umpires several things.
And Im here fighting for womens rights and for womens equality and for all kinds of stuff. And for me to say thief and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark, she added. Hes never took a game from a man because they said thief. For me it blows my mind. But Im going to continue to fight for women and to fight for us to have equal [rights].
More: https://www.essence.com/news/womens-tennis-associations-stand-behind-serena-williams-following-debacle-with-umpire/
Tursiops
(89 posts)[link:https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/45477764|
"She later said it was "sexist" to have been penalised a game.
The International Tennis Federation said Carlos Ramos acted "at all times with professionalism and integrity".
An ITF statement said: "It is understandable that this high-profile and regrettable incident should provoke debate. At the same time, it is important to remember that Mr Ramos undertook his duties as an official according to the relevant rule book.
"Mr Ramos' decisions were in accordance with the relevant rules and were reaffirmed by the US Open's decision to fine Ms Williams for the three offences."
Demit
(11,238 posts)The rules against it must be enforced!!!!!
If only the umps would get together & decide to enforce it all the time. THEN it might be relevant. Except the fact that it isn't enforced all the time proves it isn't.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)Because 1. it is a stupid rule, and 2. it is enforced very subjectively.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Quixote1818
(28,904 posts)Reader Rabbit
(2,621 posts)The patriarchy protects its own.
Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)And she is blaming the victim of her abuse
DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)Unfortunately they step onto a court where an amateur who can't really get in many hours of practice at being a umpire, particularly in a high stress situation, and who has guidelines for much of what happens instead of rules so their judgment calls are totally that... subjective judgment.
How would you respond to those obvious errors in judgment that takes away money, status, wins?
Have you played a lot of competitive tennis? If you haven't you have no idea what it is like to be a professional player judged by someone without any real skills.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Acting like a blithering idiot is far too common among sports players.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He is known for being a stickler for the rules.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)Generally it's admired, and seen as standing your ground, not getting pushed around, "make them think twice about future calls", part of the intense push back of the game. Generally it's admired.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)Who refereed soccer for over 20 years, I can't say I ever admired anyone who argued calls. I understood sometimes players did have a dispute with a call not believing it had crossed the line into a foul. If they presented themselves respectfully they got respect in return along with an explanation of how I saw it and what the appropriate penalty was in my judgment according to the laws of the game. As the level of play went up however much more of the argument became gamesmanship and even blatant fouls would be argued.
It was very rare at the end of a game a referee ever gets complimented. Many people will give their opinion how you are far too lenient on calls will many others will give their opinion that you should " let them play" and not be calling so many fouls. It's a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.
One valid point however is evenness of calling. A referee can have an absolutely awful game but still be considered "fair" as long as the calls are awful both ways. Within the same level of competition players should expect calls to go the same way. Naturally I would call a game differently for a u-9 than I would for NCAA varsity however the following game at each level the player should have the expectation of seeing the same judgment and calls.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I see an athlete doing this and all I see is someone who needs to grow up.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)alot of people are admiring Serena Williams and her history of bad bahavior.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)we can do it
(12,118 posts)🙄
Reader Rabbit
(2,621 posts)You're the bully is a silencing tactic sometimes used against people making complaints. Like You're the sexist, it attempts to turn around accusations of bad behaviour on the person who was originally the victim of it or is calling it out.
...bullying is about power, and is generally understood to be something that occurs when people with more power exert it over those with less. The stereotypical schoolyard bully is a large, physically strong kid who picks on smaller, weaker ones. Bullying can also occur on other axes of power and oppression. For instance, people who are members of marginalised groups (LGBT people, people with disabilities, people of racial minorities) are often bullied by those not in those groups, and those who have large and vocal power structures behind them(IE popular internet figures or those entrenched in zealous religious or political groups).
Me.
(35,454 posts)Chair umpire Carlos Ramos managed to rob not one but two players in the womens U.S. Open final. Nobody has ever seen anything like it: An umpire so wrecked a big occasion that both players, Naomi Osaka and Serena Williams alike, wound up distraught with tears streaming down their faces during the trophy presentation and an incensed crowd screamed boos at the court. Ramos took what began as a minor infraction and turned it into one of the nastiest and most emotional controversies in the history of tennis, all because he couldnt take a woman speaking sharply to him.
Williams abused her racket, but Ramos did something far uglier: He abused his authority. Champions get heated its their nature to burn. All good umpires in every sport understand that the heart of their job is to help temper the moment, to turn the dial down, not up, and to be quiet stewards of the event rather than to let their own temper play a role in determining the outcome. Instead, Ramos made himself the chief player in the womens final. He marred Osakas first Grand Slam title and one of Williamss last bids for all-time greatness. Over what? A tone of voice. Male players have sworn and cursed at the top of their lungs, hurled and blasted their equipment into shards, and never been penalized as Williams was in the second set of the U.S. Open final.
cont
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tennis/at-us-open-power-of-serena-williams-and-naomi-osaka-is-overshadowed-by-an-umpires-power-play/2018/09/08/edbf46c8-b3b4-11e8-a20b-5f4f84429666_story.html?utm_term=.dc1ff9c25103
elias7
(3,976 posts)Lousy calls from refs and umpires really suck, but they happen. To men, to women, to blacks, to whites. All sports...
She exhibited poor sportsmanship and was the main piece taking away Osakas glorious moment. I think Osaka was stunned and appalled by Serenas behavior more than anything else.
elias7
(3,976 posts)Assuming you watched the whole thing unfold, I respect your different take on it, though I would appreciate a little more discussion...
and the article by Sally J. expresses my point of view excellently.
Reader Rabbit
(2,621 posts)What happened to Serena was basically the tennis equivalent of "driving while black." An official who wanted to put an "uppity" member of a traditionally marginalized group used a sporadically enforced rule to do so. When Serena rightfully called him on itas any feminist sick of the patriarchy and its petty BS would dohe penalized her again.
If you follow women's athletics of any stripe, you've seen this type of behavior from officials far, far too often.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)What is being lost in all of this is that Osaka's story in this tournament may be far more interesting than that of Serena Willimas. But now we aren't hearing it because of the ego trips of certain people.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)She has dark skin.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Black Haitians are, for the most part, descendants of African slaves.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)mokawanis
(4,434 posts)I can think of 10,000 other things more important to me
miyazaki
(2,221 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)It would be watched by many more than this US Open.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No rematch is needed.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Thank you for your input.