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(3,788 posts)The Weather Channel meteorologist on location actually had to say the storm was a real threat and not fake news.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Let the people who think it's fake ignore it.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)They've spent so many years hyping up every little thing as if it's going to be a catastrophe. Many people consider them a joke and don't take anything they say seriously.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)I asked her to have him google, hurricane 1938.
Dumbass.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)My grandparents survived Camille. Frederik and several other Guif Coast hurricanes by securing their Gulf Shores, AL bayside home and boats, packing for a week (including all of their family photos) and heading inland to Bay Minette, AL to stay with friends until the storm passed.
Do not stay on the oceanfront, bayfront or on an island when a CAT 4 is bearing down on you unless you are prepared to die.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)We lived in Pascagoula, probably 60 miles from Gulf Shores. I was a kid but remember it well. Years later I met a man who was on the team they had to helicopter in to cut up the trees that blocked all the roads so the rescue and recovery teams could get in. I dont recall how long before we could get back but afterward it was weeks before we had power.
And that was nothing compared to Katrina. My people who are still there went through actual hell.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)The Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA should have and could have protected NOLA from flooding. But, the Federal, State and Local GOP didn't want to spend the money to build and maintain the infrastructure and to build what new infrastructure was needed.
Never mind the terrible racism in the aftermath of Katrina. Bush, the GOP and the GOP FEMA leaders were inhuman and evil in their lack of any response to help people who were dying. It was hell. It still is hell for those who were "relocated" and who can never go home.
I had family down in Slidell and Lacombe during Katrina. It was bad.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)My people were in Covington and got out. But my sister is a 911 operator in MS far enough in that they didnt blow away but did lose power. The emergency generators at the station kept them online but they didnt have TV or a way of knowing what was going on on the coast. The 911 system there shut down and calls got rerouted to them. So she got hysterical calls from trapped people, got me on her cell phone because I could watch in horror from up here in the PNW and tell her what they were saying, and shed try to give them some idea how long it would go on. It was bloody surreal.
That was MS. Then we watched people drown in NO. It was a nightmare.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)February 2001
Bushs first budget proposed more than half a billion dollars worth of cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers for the 2002 fiscal year. Bush proposed half of what his own officials said was necessary for the critical Southeast Louisiana Flood Control Project (SELA)a project started after a 1995 rainstorm flooded 25,000 homes and caused a half billion dollars in damage.
Bush did this to offset the tax break he gave to the top 1% of rich Americans. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Bush signed his massive $1.3 trillion income tax cut into law-a tax cut that severely depleted the government of revenues it needed to address critical priorities.
February 2002
Bush provided just $5 million for maintaining and upgrading critical hurricane protection levees in New Orleansone fifth of what government experts and Republican elected officials in Louisiana told the administration was needed. Bush knew SELA needed $80 million to keep working, but the he only proposed providing a quarter of that.
During 2002, contractors working to raise the St. Charles Parish hurricane protection levee north of Airline Hwy had to use their own funds because Congress and the President provided only $2,000,000 for the entire Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity project, which includes all the hurricane protection levees in St. Charles, Jefferson, Orleans and St. Bernard Parishes.
February 2004
The SELA project sought $100 million to repair the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain levees, but Bush offered only $16.5 million. The Army Corps of Engineers asked for $27 million to pay for hurricane protection upgrades around Lake Pontchartrainbut the White House cut that to $3.9 million. Gaps in levees around Lake Pontchartrain & the Industrial Canal, which were supposed to be filled by 2004, were not filled because of budget shortfalls. Repair work on the levees, including the ones that failed, was stopped due to lack of funds.
It has been popular to blame the ACOE, because they maintain the levees, but the reality is they can't do the work if they don't have the money.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)I do not place any blame on the ACOE. I apologize if I was unclear on that point.
Thanks for the information n your post. I have huge respect for the ACOE. I worked in the civil engineering field for over 29 years.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)I lived in Gautier, Miss when Camille hit. My mom called me (we were at my mother in laws Home in Helena) from her job as a nurse at the VA in Biloxi to alert us. That was before we had weeks to anticipate a storm so we were pretty clueless what was headed our way. She was required to stay on duty at the VA on Back Bay Biloxi but told us we needed to get out. We came back home and loaded up the things we could cram in our 1967 Mustang and our 6 week old son and headed to Meridian, Ms where my sister lived.
We stayed with my sister until they allowed us back. I dont remember how long that was but I do remember that they let us cross the bridge between Ocean Springs and Biloxi that was a horrible mess! We drove along Hwy 90 through Biloxi and toward Gulfport and could only gawk and cry at the devastation. Two days before the storm hit, my family had celebrated my sisters birthday at Baricevs Seafood Restaurant on the beach in Biloxi. All that was left were pilings in the sand. Not one scrap of the restaurant was still there. The devastation was the worst thing I had seen in my whole life (I was 20 at the time.) Storms are no laughing matter and definitely no excuse to have a party. We also saw the slab where the Richelieu Apartments had been along Hwy 90 in Long Beach. Many deaths happened there when the storm surge swept the hurricane partiers to their deaths.
catbyte
(34,374 posts)Sharpie to make identification of his body easier. They're predicting a 13' storm surge. That's higher than a 2-story house.
Yonnie3
(17,432 posts)Just in case ...
Tucker08087
(621 posts)Thats the exact message that the police gave to anyone who refused to leave (ss# and names on all people, especially children, to identify the bodies). The flooding happened way before the storm hit, so most who thought they would ride it out, got frightened and evacuated. There was one final call that the storm was too powerful for rescue crews to go out again. Basically a now or never announcement, and it was really bad by then. Few lives were lost because it came in so slowly. One man was found days later floating on the second floor. The water was higher than his ceiling, so they assume he drowned. One familys house crumbled into the water. The coast guard tried to save them, but their boat was crashing into debris and they had to turn back, listening to their screams. We had entire blocks of homes just wash completely away. And, although Sandy was taken off the hurricane list, because it merged with a Noreaster, it was a monster, but not a cat 4. One father of a family that stayed, but made it, said that he was sobbing on the second day, thinking, I killed my family. Staying is putting your life at risk as well as the lives of people who will inevitably try to rescue you.
Yonnie3
(17,432 posts)It was not forecast.
http://suffolktimes.timesreview.com/tag/hurricane-of-1938/
BTW: Tucker is a family surname and some reside(d) in NJ.
Tucker08087
(621 posts)Actually, Tucker, in my case, is in reference to my town, Tuckerton, named after Ebeneezer Tucker. Theres a huge monument in the cemetery downtown where he was buried.
Yonnie3
(17,432 posts)I used to have friends in Barnegat and Toms River. It has been quite a while since I've been there.
Tucker08087
(621 posts)Most people from NJ dont even know that we exist. During the eye of the storm, we had power for about 10 minutes. I quickly blew up an air matress, turned on the Weather Channel, and tried to get the sump pump running. When I saw Jim Cantori from the Weather Channel standing in the gazebo at the end of Main Street, I knew we were screwed. I remember saying, Um, guys? Tuckerton is in the weather channel. Jim Cantori is on South Green Street. The basic reply was, Shit. That cant be good. Weve only been on TV twice, and once was when a bomb dropped on our school from the Air Force practicing nearby. (Theres a bombing range not far away. The pilot was off course.)
My paternal grandparents lived in Forked River and my mother-in-law lived in Barnegat.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)My grandmother had to get to a hospital, the doctors predicted complications which did arise, and she and my dad would have died if she'd stayed home. My grandparents did have some stories to tell about that adventure.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)Figured it was broken because it had never registered that low, before. So he didn't bother to issue a warning.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)Because you might well have to chop through the roof when the house youre in floods to the rafters.
That was the top advice people who survived Katrina gave.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Name, social security number and next of kin so as to make identifying the body easier.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)if I had the money to build a house that could withstand both the maximum potential winds and storm surge but to build a house that could withstand both would probably be extremely expensive so unless your cousins significant other is that wealthy they need to get their butt inland.
certainot
(9,090 posts)of global warming..... they always say it's worse than it's going to be...
and that's all mixed in with the continued denial of russian collusion....
gordianot
(15,237 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)If you see stuff on TV, they're all crisis actors. And the water? It's fake. It's probably not even wet.
Your TV not working? It's the Deep State doing that
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)We now find out that trump et al diverted almost 10 million dollars to ICE for border lock ups. Good luck SE border states. trump throwing paper towels is not going to help.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)pazzyanne
(6,549 posts)Pat Roberson has held a prayer meeting where he prayed the hurricane away.
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)pazzyanne
(6,549 posts)There are a lot of people that believe what he was saying. My grandmother always told me that God helps them who help themselves. A great lesson from a wise woman.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Pat Robertson prays in Jesus' name to command Hurricane Florence go out to sea.
Now it's time to stop these hurricane preparations and evacuations foolishness.
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So how much faith does the 700 Club truly have in Jesus?
They are collecting money for Florence.
https://www.ob.org/?s=florence
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)and hundreds (or worse) homes are destroyed and lives are lost, we can blame Pat Robertson.
Who in their right mind is still listening to this rabid old fool ?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)Latest track of the storm has changed and now forecasts it will track just offshore at hurricane strength and rake the coast for a much wider area of destruction than a direct hit.
Thanks, Pat. Well done.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Pat prayed for it to go out to sea, not come ashore to kill people.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Nitram
(22,791 posts)getagrip_already
(14,712 posts)If we were russian bots and it was dems that were staying put, you know they would be egging them on.
No matter, fox has it covered. Those who stay behind have their made in china maga camo gear and guns to protect them.
dlk
(11,555 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)Go ahead and trigger us, guys. But when you need federal aid to rebuild, don't come crawling to us.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Their families may need aid for funerals.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Right to the gut...it should be sent to everyone you know.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And watch how they screw the people over like they've done to everyone else after disasters. turmps claims are a joke and only show how corrupt and how a big a liar he really is. He lies freely to the American people because he has nothing but contempt for all those not exactly like him.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)There's the 10 million transferred to ICE to tear MORE families apart & keep them in cages. There's Brock Long blaming Puerto Rico for it's death and destruction. And of course there's that asshole trump ...
People, stay safe. Your government is totally fucked and it's up to you.
ffr
(22,669 posts)Permanut
(5,602 posts)All that fake hurricane information is brought to you by the government. Another reason to ignore it.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)... Trump will give the same amazing level of support that he gave the victims of Maria in Puerto Rico.
So relax, enjoy the storm surge, and try to keep the umbrella in your drink.
bucolic_frolic
(43,133 posts)Tell them Sean Hannity says sunny skies and fair sailing
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No one is ignoring this storm.
People decide to stay in every storm: nothing to do with the shitgibbon.
irisblue
(32,968 posts)Satirical Alexandria (@SatirclAlx) Tweeted:
Who did this? I want to buy you a drink. https://t.co/cNNsFZhCPz
Link to tweet
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)about
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)who have no transportation or funds to escape. Some are not staying by choice.